I can't remember for sure, but at Doak's Heathland course at the Legends, a front left pin placement on hole #8 (where it was whenI played it last) was completely blind from the tee. Could see most of the green, but not the pin. Had to go by yardage and pin placement sheet. Luckily I knocked it to about 8 feet and drained it. What's so bad about not knowing where you're ball is until you get there, and "Wow! 8 feet!" Works the same with shots you thought were good, and ended up bad or worse than you thought.