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Mike Hamilton

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Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« on: March 02, 2011, 11:00:57 PM »
I had the chance to play all three of the Pete Dye courses at Casa de Campo in the Dominican Republic last week.

Unfortunately, due to a moderate amount of rain, I only took photos of Teeth of the Dog.
The other two courses, The Links and Dye Fore, although not apparently as heralded, round out the very excellent golf at Casa de Campo.  All the courses are walkable and caddies are available (and required even for riders at Teeth of the Dog).  Nonetheless, I saw only one foursome walking over my stay.  Even in mid February, the heat and humidity are relatively high (mid 80s), and the clientele in general don’t have the look of walking golfers.  Unfortunately, I was playing in a business situation which really forced me too ride as well….but would have enjoyed the walk.

As far as a review of Teeth of the Dog….Bryan Izatt wrote a very nice review several years ago so I will not needlessly duplicate other than a few additional comments where it seems appropriate or a couple of places where I disagree.  It does appear that the course has undergone some changes, one of which is to increase the length from just under 7000 yards to almost 7500.  Some other changes have also been made from comparing photographs,

As far as the highlight of all three courses, it’s hard not to love the fabulous ocean holes on the Teeth course.  But a second and surprising highlight is the bold Back 9 of Dye Fore.  Aside from these stretches much of the rest of the 54 holes wind through Golf Villas and Condos … although as development / resort golf goes, these stretches of the routing were given enough space not to feel oppressively hemmed in and only wildly off target shots end up in backyards.

Dye Fore is built a bit inland and probably about 200-300 feet above sea level.  The Front nine plays a bit like the inland holes of Teeth but with more elevation changes.  But the Back 9 is a treat.  It is contiguous, mostly away from the development (at least at the moment), and built over heaving terrain with few trees that sits perched on the canyon of the Chavon River (apparently where the jungle / river scenes of Apocalypse Now were filmed).  There are blind shots, canted fairways, it is open to the wind, and it is a delight to play.

Now to the photo’s….but first my summary of impressions of TOTD.  The high’s….the 4 par threes, three on the water and one inland, are as fun as any I’ve played,  a great mix of long and short Par 4’s, and great greens.  The low’s; the Par 5’s; especially, at least for me, 3 and 11.  However, this is a great course and as Bryan noted one that “offers fine strategic challenges with tropical weather and beautiful vistas that can’t be beat.”




The yardages:

Black - 7471
Gold - 7077
Blue - 6485
White – 6015
Red – 4906

From the blues the course is rated 73.2 / 137.


Hole 1 -  Par 4
HC 11

Gold - 393
Blue - 366
White – 350

A relatively easy starting hole.  Grass furrows and sand bunkers guard the right, but the left is open and wide, and with a decent drive you get a downhill kick and should be left with a wedge or short iron in.  In Bryan’s review one confusing comment was that this green and most of the greens were relatively small.  I felt while playing that most of the greens were average size.

 




Hole 2 – Par 4
HC 7

Gold - 384
Blue - 358
White - 340

A Par 4 with trouble, a rock and coral waste area, on the left.  Much tighter than the first hole.  The green has a collection are back left for long approaches coming from the right.








Hole 3 – Par 5
HC 5

Gold - 498
Blue - 457
White - 445

Again, I felt the weakness of TOTD to be the Par 5’s.  This one, very short, has an extremely elevated and very small green.  The green seemed to be a bit contrived to me and out of place after a pretty flat hole.  It made me wonder if the routing only left enough room for a short 5 and so the severe green was the defense….or just an effort at producing a interesting reachable 5.  It appears from the photo’s in Bryan’s essay that a fronting bunker has been removed from the green…not that anything but an extremely well hit and lucky shot could reach by ground.  I felt this green was the low point of the course.











Hole 4 – Par 4
HC 17

Gold - 443
Blue - 364
White – 328

Probably my only other disagreement with Bryan…I liked this hole and felt this hole and the short Par 4’s in general (at least from the Blues in this case) were a highlight of TOTD.   It also kicks off a stretch of outstanding holes.  This tempts you to the right side but a safe drive is to the left.  The first of a number of really fun greens perches out over terrain dropping down to the sea.







Hole 5 – Par 3
HC 15

Gold – 157
Blue - 137
White - 122

Of the Par 3’s, this hole is the simplest by far.  A fun, short carry to a small semi circle green.  Tee shots to the right have a chance of funneling back in although a deep grass bunker guards the middle right.  Since Bryan’s review the small tree replacing one apparently taken out by a hurricane appears to have doubled in size.

I hit to 12 inches.  As close as I have come to an ace.






Hole 6 – Par 4
HC 1

Gold - 474
Blue - 400
White - 377

A great Par 4.  The tee box sits right on the water.  We had a decent wait so I couldn’t help but fire one ball into the ocean.  This hole is a cape (or reverse cape?) and a strong ball will leave a nice look into a green heavily guarded on the left.  Again from photo’s, it appears in fact that the bunkering on the left has been expanded into a larger waste area and is more severe at the green.











Hole 7 – Par 3
HC 13

Gold - 224
Blue - 188
White - 168

A great hole again right along the ocean. 









Hole 8 – Par 4
HC 3

Gold - 414
Blue - 397
White – 329

A tough, yet fun hole with a very narrow landing area and obscured views off the tee.  The hole plays out right with the approach back left to a green with great contouring tucked back against the Atlantic.






Hole 9 – Par 5
HC 9

Gold - 545
Blue - 529
White – 516

Finally away from the sea and back in.  This hole is a bit of a let down after the 4-8 stretch but the better of the two fives on the front. 







Hole 10 – Par 4
HC 16

Gold - 396
Blue - 387
White – 351







The first few holes of the Back 9 route the player through the flattest and least interesting terrain of the routing before the Back turns back along the ocean.  The 10th, with some elevation changes is one of the best of these holes, plays out to the right with the left flanked again by a large sand expanse.  The fairway ends with an interesting but probably rarely in play hazard, a narrow and shallow stone and coral aqueduct/”burn” that crosses from front left to back right. 

Hole 11 – Par 5
HC 8

Gold - 575
Blue - 555
White – 540

The next three holes play across the flattest part of the course.  The 11th I felt was probably the least interesting on the course.  This hole is beyond reach for most and the hazards don’t really interfere if planning to reach in 3.









Hole 12 – Par 4
HC 12

Gold - 451
Blue - 402
White – 362

A tougher hole with a challenging green, but the flatness of the course through 11 and 12 and the routing through housing make this one of the lower points of the round.






Hole 13 – Par 3
HC 18

Gold - 180
Blue - 170
White – 143

A hole that has been changed significantly.  In Bryan’s review, the green is truly an island green in a sea of sand.  Grass collection areas have been added giving the green a softer look and some options to play a miss.  But the green is no bargain, I left mine short right and played a chip to the center rather than test the ridge that ran from my ball to the flag.  The chip landed soft and center and then slowly rolled off the green into another collection area back right. 







Hole 14 – Par 5
HC 10

Gold - 497
Blue - 487
White – 452

This hole, with waste area right followed by water is reachable in two good shots.  I’m not long but hit a good drive and gave it some thought.  It appears that some front bunkering has been added to give some color to what Bryan described as an uninspiring green.









Hole 15 – Par 4
HC 4

Gold - 374
Blue - 334
White – 311

Back to the ocean and I think the best three hole stretch of the course.  The first is a short 4 that requires you to either tempt the ocean right, drive through the fairway left, or leave the driver in the bag.  The green is guarded short by the ocean, well bunkered and tiered.  My favorite hole on the course.




Hole 16 – Par 3
HC 14

Gold - 194
Blue - 181
White – 151

An all world three with a large green that can be pinned safely on the left, or heroically to the back right.  My guess is from the tips to the extreme back right pin position is 205-215 yards and all carry over the ocean.




Hole 17 – Par 4
HC 2

Gold - 433
Blue - 377
White – 360

The final ocean hole is the stouter of the two Par 4s and probably plays closer to 400 from the blues if playing to the center of the fairway.









Hole 18 – Par 4
HC 6

Gold - 445
Blue - 396
White - 370

A good finishing hole even if a let down after 15, 16, and 17.  It is interesting that the fairway bunkering has been significantly changed since Bryan’s review.  The trap which guarded the right has been removed and a larger crossing bunker blocks longer drives except those to the far right.  This changes the strategy of the hole to either a shorter center shot (requiring a longer carry to the green), a well placed drive to the right, or a big carry over the bunker.








If just looking for golf not sure Casa de Campo would be my first choice, but a great place to escape winter, enjoy the sun and surf, and play some very fine golf.


Jed Peters

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2011, 08:07:02 AM »
Awesome photo tour.

I think those ocean holes are, as a group, the best ocean hole groupings of ANY of the major seaside links.

I've spent a week playing there, and a big fan.

Thanks Mike!

Mark McKeever

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2011, 09:21:40 AM »
Great tour of the course!  Thanks for sharing!!

Mark
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Philippe Binette

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2011, 10:25:22 AM »
As much as Pete Dye was called the enfant terrible of golf course architecture back then...

you look at the course now and it looks pretty quiet, with some nice accents of severity on some details

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2011, 11:00:57 AM »
As much as Pete Dye was called the enfant terrible of golf course architecture back then...

you look at the course now and it looks pretty quiet, with some nice accents of severity on some details

I agree...

Jim_Coleman

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2011, 11:57:34 AM »
     I'm a little surprised you could take that many photos and not include me in a picture, as I've been playing the course about 4 times per week for the last 10 years.  So, I'm a little prejudiced.
     That being said, I have only a few observations.  Although I agree the par fives are a little weak, I think you're selling #'s 3 and 14 a little short.  #3 should be played from what I call the "old blues" - a course which totals around 6,700 yards.  With the hole about 40 yards longer, it isn't so short anymore.  I understand Pete tried to capture a hole at Prestwick with this design, but I'm not sure which hole.  The approach to the green is always difficult, especially if you approach it from the left of the fairway.  Pete added new bunkers to the right of the green a few years ago, tightening the preferred angle.  These replace the cross bunker 100 yards out, which he removed.  I think 14 is a strong, short par 5, and very tropical looking with the lagoon.  Reaching in 2 is heroic, and the layup is not easy.     
     You're wrong about 13 being changed.  The island green has been the same for 25 years, with the grass border between the sand and the green remaining a constant.  All in all, your observations are spot on, and fun to read.  BTW, if anyone is down here, feel free to find me (ext. 2109), as I can arrange for play at La Romana Country Club - a nice Dye track.  More importantly, I can get you into the Friday night barbeque - a great take!

Mike Hamilton

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2011, 07:02:39 PM »
     I'm a little surprised you could take that many photos and not include me in a picture, as I've been playing the course about 4 times per week for the last 10 years.  So, I'm a little prejudiced.
     That being said, I have only a few observations.  Although I agree the par fives are a little weak, I think you're selling #'s 3 and 14 a little short.  #3 should be played from what I call the "old blues" - a course which totals around 6,700 yards.  With the hole about 40 yards longer, it isn't so short anymore.  I understand Pete tried to capture a hole at Prestwick with this design, but I'm not sure which hole.  The approach to the green is always difficult, especially if you approach it from the left of the fairway.  Pete added new bunkers to the right of the green a few years ago, tightening the preferred angle.  These replace the cross bunker 100 yards out, which he removed.  I think 14 is a strong, short par 5, and very tropical looking with the lagoon.  Reaching in 2 is heroic, and the layup is not easy.     
     You're wrong about 13 being changed.  The island green has been the same for 25 years, with the grass border between the sand and the green remaining a constant.  All in all, your observations are spot on, and fun to read.  BTW, if anyone is down here, feel free to find me (ext. 2109), as I can arrange for play at La Romana Country Club - a nice Dye track.  More importantly, I can get you into the Friday night barbeque - a great take!

Jim,

I think I could handle playing 4 rounds a week at Casa de Campo...so if the gig is getting a little tough for you feel free to PM me.  :)


Seriously, my critique should be considered in context.  Teeth is a great course.  The seven holes on the ocean are superb not only in the fantastic ocean setting but in design.  They are great golf holes and have to stand up to some of the most spectacular around.  One could play Teeth 4 times a week and still enjoy after 10 years. The green on three is really the only feature I just really didn't like and my thoughts on 11-14 were basically that they were a bit dull by comparison to the rest of the course.

However, my observation of 13 comes solely from comparing my photo to that in Bryan's In My Opinion write-up. 



http://www.golfclubatlas.com/in-my-opinion/bryan-izatt-review-of-teeth-of-the-dog-casa-de-campo/bryan-izatt-review-of-teeth-of-the-dog-casa-de-campo-pg-ii



If you look closely in Bryans photo of 13, the tree on the right (smaller then) is growing out of the sand whereas in my photo's it is in an extended grass collection area.  Not a huge change...but at least from looking at the photo apparently enough that at least a couple of our tee hosts that would have likely ended up in the sand when Bryan played ended up on grass.

Anthony Gray

Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2011, 08:02:48 PM »
Awesome photo tour.

I think those ocean holes are, as a group, the best ocean hole groupings of ANY of the major seaside links.

I've spent a week playing there, and a big fan.

Thanks Mike!

  You need to get out more.

  Anthony


Bryan Izatt

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2011, 11:20:39 PM »
     I'm a little surprised you could take that many photos and not include me in a picture, as I've been playing the course about 4 times per week for the last 10 years.  So, I'm a little prejudiced.
     That being said, I have only a few observations.  Although I agree the par fives are a little weak, I think you're selling #'s 3 and 14 a little short.  #3 should be played from what I call the "old blues" - a course which totals around 6,700 yards.  With the hole about 40 yards longer, it isn't so short anymore.  I understand Pete tried to capture a hole at Prestwick with this design, but I'm not sure which hole.  The approach to the green is always difficult, especially if you approach it from the left of the fairway.  Pete added new bunkers to the right of the green a few years ago, tightening the preferred angle.  These replace the cross bunker 100 yards out, which he removed.  I think 14 is a strong, short par 5, and very tropical looking with the lagoon.  Reaching in 2 is heroic, and the layup is not easy.     
     You're wrong about 13 being changed.  The island green has been the same for 25 years, with the grass border between the sand and the green remaining a constant.  All in all, your observations are spot on, and fun to read.  BTW, if anyone is down here, feel free to find me (ext. 2109), as I can arrange for play at La Romana Country Club - a nice Dye track.  More importantly, I can get you into the Friday night barbeque - a great take!

Jim,

I think I could handle playing 4 rounds a week at Casa de Campo...so if the gig is getting a little tough for you feel free to PM me.  :)


Seriously, my critique should be considered in context.  Teeth is a great course.  The seven holes on the ocean are superb not only in the fantastic ocean setting but in design.  They are great golf holes and have to stand up to some of the most spectacular around.  One could play Teeth 4 times a week and still enjoy after 10 years. The green on three is really the only feature I just really didn't like and my thoughts on 11-14 were basically that they were a bit dull by comparison to the rest of the course.

However, my observation of 13 comes solely from comparing my photo to that in Bryan's In My Opinion write-up. 



http://www.golfclubatlas.com/in-my-opinion/bryan-izatt-review-of-teeth-of-the-dog-casa-de-campo/bryan-izatt-review-of-teeth-of-the-dog-casa-de-campo-pg-ii



If you look closely in Bryans photo of 13, the tree on the right (smaller then) is growing out of the sand whereas in my photo's it is in an extended grass collection area.  Not a huge change...but at least from looking at the photo apparently enough that at least a couple of our tee hosts that would have likely ended up in the sand when Bryan played ended up on grass.


My picture of 13 is from Jan 2005.  It sure doesn't look like grass, although after 6 years, I can't say for sure.  Closer up, the part that is now grassed appears to be a different color sand.  I'm tempted to say that it looks like dormant Bermuda, but Bermuda doesn't really go dormant there.  Maybe they were just grassing in that area around that time.




Matt Bosela

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2011, 11:34:05 PM »
Great tour - many thanks for your efforts.

Maybe a weird question for any Dye experts out there - did the cart paths come after the course was built or were they there from day one.  A lot of them seem to run well in front of the tees on the line of play and I'm a bit surprised they aren't hidden a bit more.  Maybe it's just the angle from where the photos taken but they look 'distracting' to me, with a notable disclaimer that I haven't seen the course in person yet.

Bryan Izatt

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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2011, 03:06:36 AM »
Matt,

I don't know if they were there day 1, but, despite the pictures, I don't recall that they ever really come into play.  What really came into play at the beginning up to the 90's was the runway for the airport.  You had to hit tee shots over it on 12 and 18 and skirt the end of it on 9.  Picture below is from near the 18th tee with the 18th fairway on the right edge of the picture. 





Mike Hamilton

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2011, 05:49:32 AM »
Bryan,

The sand does look different in your picture of 13....but I would assume as well that it would not be dormant Bermuda.  Maybe Jim will weigh in again.

The runway photo is great.  I saw the remnants of the fairway...which is starting to get grown over...but I had guessed that the airport was long gone and shut down when the course was built.  Didn't realize that they had once coexisted.

That is one hell of hazard.

Jim_Coleman

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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2011, 06:57:20 AM »
       Maybe I'm wrong (it happened once before when I thought I was wrong), but I can remember no changes to # 13 since 1985.  Pete made major changes a few years ago when he added 500 or so yards (I started a blog on the subject back then), but not to 13.  So, all I can say is that photos can sometimes deceive.

Robert Kimball

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2011, 09:09:15 AM »


 
Hole 5 – Par 3
HC 15

Gold – 157
Blue - 137
White - 122

Of the Par 3’s, this hole is the simplest by far.  A fun, short carry to a small semi circle green.  Tee shots to the right have a chance of funneling back in although a deep grass bunker guards the middle right.  Since Bryan’s review the small tree replacing one apparently taken out by a hurricane appears to have doubled in size.

I hit to 12 inches.  As close as I have come to an ace.




I haven't played so will leave the architecture comments to others. Thanks for the good commentary and pictures.

I do have a comment on the guys playing in front of you though. I wonder what is going through this guy's mind in the pic above? 

Carl Nichols

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2011, 09:23:06 AM »


 
Hole 5 – Par 3
HC 15

Gold – 157
Blue - 137
White - 122

Of the Par 3’s, this hole is the simplest by far.  A fun, short carry to a small semi circle green.  Tee shots to the right have a chance of funneling back in although a deep grass bunker guards the middle right.  Since Bryan’s review the small tree replacing one apparently taken out by a hurricane appears to have doubled in size.

I hit to 12 inches.  As close as I have come to an ace.




I haven't played so will leave the architecture comments to others. Thanks for the good commentary and pictures.

I do have a comment on the guys playing in front of you though. I wonder what is going through this guy's mind in the pic above? 


I wish I had a longer rake?

Anthony Gray

Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2011, 10:22:27 AM »


  The sand at Dye Fore plays like hardpan at times.Do you think the same?

  Anthony


Mike Nuzzo

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2011, 10:39:26 AM »

A rare big foot type sighting of Ran in the first picture...












« Last Edit: March 04, 2011, 10:41:36 AM by Mike Nuzzo »
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Bryan Izatt

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2011, 12:19:20 PM »
Jim,

Is your BLOG on the renovations still around?  Where would I find it?  Was Pete the instigator of the lengthening, or was it the resort?  It makes no sense to me.  The old blue tees at 6888 yards, 74.1 and 140 was more than I could handle, and I can't imagine that the resort gets very many people or tournaments that'd need 7500 yards.  Does anybody actually play those tees. 

Turning the 4th into a dogleg where you have to go back down the 3rd fairway to get to the tee and putting in the bunkers on the inside corner doesn't make it a better hole.  And putting a 500 yard tee on the par 4 6th and putting it inland seems silly.  Part of the joy of that tee shot was trying to figure out if you could cut off any of the cliff side.

Not to suggest you are wrong about the 13th, but the picture Mike posted also seems to show no grass surrounds.  Certainly not as lush and green as today.

Mike H,

I'd have to disagree with you on the 3rd hole.  It's one of the best short par 5's I can think of.  Taking out the crossing fairway bunker (a sop to the skills of the regular resort player?) doesn't improve the hole.  It plays longer than the yardage, being a bit uphill and generally into the breeze.  But the temptation is to go for it in two.  And, if you miss, you'd need a really good short game just to get it on the green.  A good short 5 made by the green.

Mike N,

I guess I shouldn't ask what Ran was doing walking through the cabbage.  It wouldn't have been possible without a machete the times I was there.




 

Jim_Coleman

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2011, 06:45:44 PM »
     Bryan:  It is my understanding that Pete instigated the changes.  The back tee on 4 is NEVER used.  But it's there.  Some of the other holes that were lengthened do add to the course's defense for the modern pro  -  e.g.  #'s 3, 6 (it is the #1 stroke hole), 9, 12, 18.  But for #4, which is silly, the rest are fine in my opinion.  As for my blog, the title was "Architect's Original Intent - Hogwash."  I don't know how to find it, but I was quite proud of the discussion it provoked.
     Also, I played today and looked again at #13.  The hole has not changed.  This is an example of how photos from different angles can be deceiving.  I can see how the photos can look so different.

Mike Hamilton

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2011, 07:29:36 PM »
Mike H,

I'd have to disagree with you on the 3rd hole.  It's one of the best short par 5's I can think of.  Taking out the crossing fairway bunker (a sop to the skills of the regular resort player?) doesn't improve the hole.  It plays longer than the yardage, being a bit uphill and generally into the breeze.  But the temptation is to go for it in two.  And, if you miss, you'd need a really good short game just to get it on the green.  A good short 5 made by the green.

Mike N,

I guess I shouldn't ask what Ran was doing walking through the cabbage.  It wouldn't have been possible without a machete the times I was there.




 

Anthony,

No hard-pan while I was there.  We were rained on each day...but the courses were in great condition and actually played relatively firm even with the rain. 

Rob,

Funny thing about that photo is that I had one additional photo in the write-up zoomed way in...Upon reviewing it seemed a little too personal with the guy and his rake so I took out before posting.


Bryan,

Again, I loved the course, so not saying 3 is bad hole.  Just wasn't my favorite on the course and I just thought the green felt a little artificial.  And my short game needs help as you may see if we get to play together in 2 weeks at KP.

Jim,

Looking back at my photo against the additional one from Mike Nuzzo there is no way you can convince me that the grass surrounding the front right hasn't been extended.  Played two rounds and my first round I missed right, was partially blocked by the tree and I could swear I was on grass.  Or maybe it was the rum.

Also wonder what your opinion is on the Back nine of Dye Fore...a beuatiful setting and I really enjoyed the nine.

Mike

JLahrman

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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2011, 07:43:16 PM »
Generally speaking, how windy are the conditions?

Jim_Coleman

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2011, 08:08:44 PM »
     Mike:  I'm a big fan of Dye Fore, but the reviews have been mixed from guests.  I attribute this to the comparison with Teeth.  Dye Fore is unusual, in my opinion, because, even though the fairways are massive (you could easily put 3 Rolling Greens - my home course - on the property) which side of the fairway you're on means everything. The greens are angled to the fairways, so one side offers a relatively easy approach, while the other leaves little green to hit to.  And the views are incredible.  I find both nines equally interesting, with the back slightly easier for me.  A third nine is set to open in the next couple of weeks.  Although the are no natural, jaw-dropping views, there are 3 large lakes which will offer great challenges.  I'm quite excited that this will only enhance the "best winter golf in the world."
     As for #13, I'm sticking to my guns.  I played with a long time resident today, and he agreed (after I took him home to see the two pics).  I'll ask Gilles Gagnon (31 year Dir. of Golf) when I see him.

Jim_Coleman

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Bryan Izatt

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2011, 09:57:51 PM »

Jim,

Thanks, that was an interesting thread.

Let us know what Gilles says - he's a Canadian - so, we'll go with what he says.  Could you ask how the grass looks so brown back then and so lush and green now.  Did they overseed the greens and not the surrounds back then?

Pete re-contoured number 10 green?  So sad.  :(  I loved and hated that green.


Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Casa de Campo (Teeth of the Dog photo tour)
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2011, 12:35:31 AM »
Dye Fore is nothing like Casa de Campo.
If I were to ever go back I would only play the Teeth of the Dog.
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.