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Ian Andrew

The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« on: February 03, 2011, 12:08:45 PM »
Here is my collection of the Best in Canadian Golf:
This will end my list making...


The 6 Courses in Canada that You Must Play

1. Cape Breton Highlands Links – Stanley Thompson
2. St. George’s Golf & Country Club – Stanley Thompson
3. Hamilton Golf & Country Club – Harry Colt
4. Jasper Park Golf Course – Stanley Thompson
5. Banff Springs Golf Course – Stanley Thompson
6. Capilano Golf & Country Club – Stanley Thompson


Best Clubhouses

Capilano Golf & Country Club
Toronto Golf Club
Mount Bruno Golf Club
Devil’s Paintrush Golf Club
Hamilton Golf & Country Club


Toughest Courses to Get On

Domaine La Forest
Memphremagog Golf Club
Red Tail Golf Club
Oviinbyrd Golf Club
Mount Bruno Golf Club


Favourite Routings

Capilano Golf & Country Club
Highlands Links
Summit Golf & Country Club
St. George’s Golf & Country Club
St. Thomas Golf & Country Club


Best Preserved

Highlands Links
Jasper Park Golf Course
Victoria Golf Club
Kawartha Golf & Country Club
Cherry Hill Club


Major Renovations of Merit

Rosedale Golf Club – Ross – original work Bendelow
Beaconsfield Golf & Country Club – Thompson – original work Park
St. Thomas Golf & Country Club – Robinson – original work Thompson


Great Opening Holes

Lookout Point Golf & Country Club
Summit Golf & Country Club
St. George’s Golf & Country Club
Pine Ridge Golf Club
Rosedale Golf Club


Best Closing Holes

Capilano Golf & Country Club
Hamilton Golf & Country Club
Cataraqui Golf & Country Club
Jasper Park Golf Course
St. Thomas Golf & Country Club


Favourite Bunkering

St. George’s Golf & Country Club
Banff Springs Golf Course
Kawartha Golf & Country Club
Jasper Park Golf Course
Weston Golf & Country Club


Best Set of Greens

Cherry Hill Club
Essex Golf & Country Club
Highlands Links
Pine Ridge Golf Club (remaining 14)
Lookout Golf & Country Club


10 Par Threes of Exceptional Merit

4th at Banff Springs Golf Course
15th at Cataraqui Golf & Country Club
15th at Jasper Park Golf Course
8th at Uplands Golf Cpourse
9th at Jasper Park Golf Course

13th at Hamilton Golf & Country Club
5th at Oakdale Golf & Country Club
10th at Islington Golf & Country Club
15th at Beaconsfield Golf & Country Club
2nd at Cataraqui Golf & Country Club


20 Exceptional Longer Fours

2nd at Highlands Links
2nd at St. George’s Golf & Country Club
7th at Capilano Golf & Country Club
11th at Cataraqiu Golf & Country Club
10th at Oakdale Golf & Country Club

5th at St. George’s Golf & Country Club
7th at National Golf Club of Canada
18th at Jasper Park Golf Course
12th at Banff Springs Golf Course
3rd at Maple Downs Golf Club

13th at Lookout Point Golf & Country Club
10th at Burlington Golf & Country Club
17th at Rosedale Golf Club
2nd at Osprey Valley Golf Club (Hoot)
5th at Weston Golf & Country Club

5th at Toronto Golf Club
4th at Westmount Golf & Country Club
2nd at Black Hawk Golf Club
12th at St. George’s Golf & Country Club
13th at Galt Country Club


10 Best Short Fours in Canada (under 350 yards)

7th at Scarboro Golf & Country Club
5th at Hamilton Golf & Country Club
4th at Highlands Links
5th at Victoria Golf Club
4th at Muskoka Lakes Golf & Country Club

10th at Oshawa Golf & Country Club
7th at Owen Sound Golf & Country Club
15th at Scarboro Golf & Country Club
11th at Thornhill Golf & Country Club
12th at Summit Golf & Country Club


10 Best Par Fives in Canada

15th at Highlands Links
14th at Summit Golf & Country Club
18th at Capilano Golf & Country Club
8th at Waskesiu Golf Course
7th at Highlands Links

14th at Kawartha Golf & Country Club
10th at Club de Golf Laval-sur-le-lac
4th at Cataraqui Golf & Country Club
15th at Bigwin Island Golf Club
8th at Devil’s Paintrush


5 Odd, Unusual and Wonderful Experiences

Twin Rivers Golf Club, Newfoundland – Doug Carrick and Robbie Robinson
-features a tee shot that has to make a carry over the ocean
-multiple holes played beside and over spectacular rapids
-final par three plays over a 40 foot horseshoe waterfall

Braeside Golf Club, Montreal – Dunn (I think)
-built in the late 1800’s and still has those original greens
-cross-over holes, steeple jump bunkers and tiny greens

Markham Green, Toronto  – Jimmy Johnston (now 9 holes)
-was once the most exclusive course in Canada
-7th through to the 14th still mostly intact
-was once one of the best when fully intact

Allandale Golf Course, Barrie, Ontario – Stanley Thompson
-1927 Thompson that has not been altered
-you can play from the original tees
-less than $30.

Waskesiu, Saskatchewan – Kam
-fairway contours are every bit as good as Cape Breton Highland Links
-a stunning collection of short fours
-eccentric layout worth the effort

Top 10 Modern Courses

Devil's Paintbrush
The National
Blackhawk
Eagle's Nest
Muskoka Bay

Oviinbyrd
Bigwin Island
Osprey Valley - Heathlands
Wolf Creek
Beacon Hall
« Last Edit: February 04, 2011, 09:03:17 AM by Ian Andrew »

George Pazin

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Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2011, 12:19:25 PM »
Can you share a little more about Markham Green? Why did they lose 9 holes? When did it happen? Would it be possible to restore them?

Thanks for the many interesting lists, on this and the other thread!
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Ian Andrew

Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2011, 01:05:15 PM »
Can you share a little more about Markham Green? Why did they lose 9 holes? When did it happen? Would it be possible to restore them?

The course was a full eighteen hole course built for a single owner  in the early 1960’s. Gary Slatter would know the details even better than I do. The course was designed by a local professional named Jimmy Johnston who did a pretty good job.

I was lucky enough to play there quite a bit as a teenager and remember the course in detail. Interestingly it opened and closed on two par fives. The 3rd and 16th were both threes as well. The course opened above the valley and through a series of holes set in wonderful trees worked it’s way down to the Rouge River (a major river in Toronto) The highlights included the long par three third played beside an 80 foot bluff down the right side all the way to the green and the extremely interesting short par four 4th.

The 6th was the start of the famous run along the river that finished at the 13th. The 6th itself was an outstanding three across the river to a super cool green surrounded by bunkers. The 7th played diagonally over the river and then played up the side all the way to a massive green 460 yards away from the tee (always was a par 4). The 8th was a pitch par three back across the river with the Green hanging on the bank. Then there was a long walk to the short and wild 9th that doglegged hard to the left to a really interesting elevated green.

The back nine begins at the top of the valley and plays down into the valley before finishing at a green set on the other side. The 11th crosses the river, plays along side and ten crosses back over to the green on the other side. The 12th was a long four where the river came into play up the left and crossed well short of the green.

The original 13th involved a walk to a tee on the land above the valley. The player tried to decide whether to take on the elbow created by the River’s bend and the massive landmark Willow at the corner. You had to decide whether to play long and right or short and left which meant a 150 yard carry into a green set hard against the River. This was an exceptional hole, but is now played as a three down below. That happened while I was still a teenager.

The 14th plays back up the valley with no river in play and is a terrific long four. My favourite was the 15th a short drivable four, now gone, where the valley was in play for the entire length of the hole along the right. The 16th was a long three over a large deep pond and was where I used to swim for balls. The 17th was 625 yards right from the outset. The 18th was a fine finishing five with wonderful bunkering at the corner of the dogleg. It was a great course.

The course was sold to IBM (I’m guessing in the 1970’s) who operated it for quite a long time. It also had a 9 hole short course (nothing special) and playing fields till the 1980’s when it was sold for development. I think the valley lands are leased and it’s currently operated as a nine holes where you drive out and play back in. The current course has a new opener, then borrows 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, the reised13th and the14th. This is the bulk of what made it famous in its day. The remainder is all under housing with the exception of the 6th which is fallow.

Philippe Binette

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Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2011, 01:29:14 PM »
Not much stuff in Québec but not surprised.

Your toughest course to play means the toughest to have access to, right ?

Matt Bosela

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Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2011, 01:36:36 PM »
Ian - thanks for another great list.  

I'm a tad surprised that Sagebrush didn't warrant mention in any of your categories, like bunkers, greens or especially in the last category about great experiences.

Ian Andrew

Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2011, 01:40:54 PM »
Ian - thanks for another great list.  

I'm a tad surprised that Sagebrush didn't warrant mention in any of your categories, like bunkers, greens or especially in the last category about great experiences.

Matt,

I have not seen it yet.

Ian Andrew

Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2011, 01:43:35 PM »
Not much stuff in Québec but not surprised.

Your toughest course to play means the toughest to have access to, right ?

Yes to access.

Philippe,

I just realized I missed Beaconsfield's 15th on the threes.

Matt Bosela

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Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 02:00:00 PM »
Ian - thanks for another great list.  

I'm a tad surprised that Sagebrush didn't warrant mention in any of your categories, like bunkers, greens or especially in the last category about great experiences.

Matt,

I have not seen it yet.

Thanks Ian - I was under the impression that you had visited at some point last year - my apologies! 

Will MacEwen

Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2011, 02:17:32 PM »
Ian - big thanks for this.  Always nice to see some Cancon on GCA.

Sadly, despite spending most of my life in Ontario and BC, I have little to add to the discussion.  I imagine Sagebrush would make best greens and experience as Matt suggested. 

Braeside seems to be virtually unknown but I hear great things about it - I know someone who left Royal Montreal for Braeside.

No holes at Colwood or Shaugnessy get the nod?

Ian Andrew

Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2011, 02:31:55 PM »
No holes at Colwood or Shaugnessy get the nod?

Will,

I considered:

I had the 6th at Royal Colwood on my list and it would have made it if I went to 25 holes.
11th at Shaunessey was also on the list of fives, but was cut getting down to 10

I particularly like Royal Colwood, subtle, but very clever in places.

Harris Nepon

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Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 03:23:08 PM »
Thanks for a cool list Ian.

I've only played the opening hole on St. George and Lookout on your list. St. George I thought was awesome. Lookout, aside from the view, what do you think is so great? I personally find it so so. From the back tees you can't even see the hole.

Also, you seem to have no love for Westmount. Just curious your thoughts on the course.

JMEvensky

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 03:56:37 PM »
Ian,thanks for this and the other threads.

Is access to Canadian private courses more US or UK-like?

Ryan Admussen

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Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2011, 04:05:04 PM »
Ian,thanks for this and the other threads.

Is access to Canadian private courses more US or UK-like?

US

JMEvensky

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2011, 04:07:04 PM »
Ian,thanks for this and the other threads.

Is access to Canadian private courses more US or UK-like?

US

Thanks.

Tyler Kearns

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2011, 04:15:08 PM »
Ian,thanks for this and the other threads.

Is access to Canadian private courses more US or UK-like?

My experience as a traveling golfer and as an employee of a golf course is that access to private courses in Canada is quite accessible if you are a member at a private club. Usually, a phone call well in advance made from your head professional is all that is required, provided you are not seeking prime time tee times.

TK

JMEvensky

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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2011, 04:17:13 PM »
Ian,thanks for this and the other threads.

Is access to Canadian private courses more US or UK-like?

My experience as a traveling golfer and as an employee of a golf course is that access to private courses in Canada is quite accessible if you are a member at a private club. Usually, a phone call well in advance made from your head professional is all that is required, provided you are not seeking prime time tee times.

TK

Thanks.

Ian Andrew

Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2011, 04:20:13 PM »
Lookout, aside from the view, what do you think is so great?

Also, you seem to have no love for Westmount. Just curious your thoughts on the course.

Harris,

Lookout:  It's a really fun drive because the angle requires you to flirt with all the trouble on the right if you are a long hitter. Because you can see over the trees it compels you to take on a little too much risk when you don't need to. The green is easily approached from the ground but few do and long is death for those who are too aggressive. The subtle "y" shaped swale in the green makes putting very deceiving. Fun hole to play.

Westmount:  I have it in my Personal Top 10 - I like it more than the people that rate for Score
I think 1, 4, 9, 10, 14, 15 and 16 are all exceptional holes.

I would join if I lived 30 minutes closer.

The reason for The List of the Essential 6 is they are one step better than Westmount, Cataraqui, Paintbrush, St. Thomas etc..
« Last Edit: February 03, 2011, 04:22:14 PM by Ian Andrew »

Ian Andrew

Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2011, 04:24:40 PM »
Ian,thanks for this and the other threads.

Is access to Canadian private courses more US or UK-like?

Generally more like the UK, until you hit the major cities
Like Tyler said write in advanace and work around their schedule and most clubs will accomodate.

One’s with American reciprocals, like St. George’s, have become quite difficult.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2011, 04:29:53 PM by Ian Andrew »

JMEvensky

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2011, 04:31:59 PM »
Ian,thanks for this and the other threads.

Is access to Canadian private courses more US or UK-like?

Generally more like the UK, until you hit the major cities
Like Tyler said write in advanace and work around their schedule and most clubs will accomodate.

One’s with American reciprocals, like St. George’s, have become quite difficult.

Before I die,I have to buy a shirt from Memphremagog--I gotta see this logo.

Ian Andrew

Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2011, 04:41:09 PM »
Memphremagog--I gotta see this logo.

Hope this works:


JMEvensky

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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2011, 04:45:57 PM »
Memphremagog--I gotta see this logo.

Hope this works:



Thanks Ian,I should have known you'd have one handy.

I admit I was expecting something epic with the name Memphremagog.

Why are the holes named some in French,some in English?
« Last Edit: February 03, 2011, 04:48:06 PM by JMEvensky »

Will MacEwen

Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2011, 04:57:38 PM »
JME - Memphremagog is in Quebec's Eastern Townships.  Historically that was an English enclave in the province, but in recent years has become much less so.  Many towns and streets have modified their names as a result.  Having names in both languages seems like a cultural nod to the region and its history.

The Townships are a great spot to visit or have a cottage.

JMEvensky

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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2011, 04:59:31 PM »
JME - Memphremagog is in Quebec's Eastern Townships.  Historically that was an English enclave in the province, but in recent years has become much less so.  Many towns and streets have modified their names as a result.  Having names in both languages seems like a cultural nod to the region and its history.

The Townships are a great spot to visit or have a cottage.

Thanks.

Robert Thompson

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« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2011, 09:00:01 PM »
The logo is a simple maple leaf with no writing for the club -- I have a couple of hats from the club. While I enjoyed the course -- and I'm still, I think, the only Canadian golf writer to have played it -- I found it not to be all that different than some of McBroom's work in Muskoka. However, the greens, at the insistence of the ownership, are very extreme and difficult. Neat place though.
Ian,thanks for this and the other threads.

Is access to Canadian private courses more US or UK-like?

Generally more like the UK, until you hit the major cities
Like Tyler said write in advanace and work around their schedule and most clubs will accomodate.

One’s with American reciprocals, like St. George’s, have become quite difficult.

Before I die,I have to buy a shirt from Memphremagog--I gotta see this logo.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2011, 09:01:47 PM by Robert Thompson »
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Dale Jackson

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Re: The Best of Canada – All Ian Andrew’s Other Lists
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2011, 09:28:19 PM »

I particularly like Royal Colwood, subtle, but very clever in places.

I am glad to see the course got through to you, and I agree it is subtle.  Play it one more time and it will crack your list!  If and when we have it restored, it will really turn some heads I believe.



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