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Philippe Binette

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par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« on: February 01, 2011, 12:34:07 PM »
Outside of:

Merion East back nine (par 34)
Swinley Forest back nine (par 33)
Old Macdonald  (par 34)

do you know any good or great courses or 9-hole course that have a par 33 or par 34 on one of the nines ?

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Kyle Harris

Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2011, 12:36:04 PM »
Mountain Lake. Second Nine: Par 34
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jeffwarne

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2011, 12:41:22 PM »
southampton GC-front nine par 34
ditto karsten
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Sean_A

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2011, 12:44:08 PM »
Harlech par 33 back 9.

Cavendish par 34 both sides.

Addington par 34 front 9.

New Zealand par 33 front 9.

Portrush Valley par 33 front 9 from daily tees.

Saunton West par 34 front 9.



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Adam Lawrence

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2011, 12:50:06 PM »
Pulborough is 34 on both sides.

I think this is going to become a long list of older British courses!
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Philippe Binette

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2011, 12:51:43 PM »
A long list, that's fine...

with no holes above 500 yards, should royal melbourne west be a 34-34 par 68 course ???
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David_Tepper

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2011, 12:53:37 PM »
The back-nine at Brora is par-34.
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mike_malone

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2011, 01:48:58 PM »
 Rolling Green's back nine from the championship tees is a par 34. Of course that includes a 260 yard par three slightly uphill and a 235 yard par three more uphill with a 40 foot dropoff on the right of the green! So much for par!
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Travis Dewire

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2011, 01:57:27 PM »
http://www.plyccma.com

Plymouth CC, on the south shore of Massachusetts, is an excellent Ross, par 69 course. The front 9 is par 34, with two par 3's, and 7 par 4's. The back 9 is par 35, with 2 par 3's, and 1 par 5 - hole 16.  Incredible green sites. Greens are pure, smooth, and fast.

Each year the tournament holds an invitation only Amateur tournament, The Hornblower, attracting the best players from in and out of state. For the tournament, no holes are altered and it is played as par 69.
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Chris Roselle

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2011, 02:02:52 PM »
Wannamoisett Country Club...site of the Northeast Amateur...front nine par of 34
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2011, 02:18:42 PM »
Reddish Vale is par 33 going out, and is a very good course indeed. www.rvgc.co.uk

A heck of a lot of 100 year old British courses are very short by modern standards, but top quality nonetheless. A 6,000 yard course can be just as much a challenge as a 7,500 yarder. The ability to belt a ball 300+ yards off the tee does not a better golfer make. It's more of a party piece IMO, and wouldn't do you much good at the Vale!

I like a round of golf to last 3 hours or so, and to be able to pop in and play 5 or 6 holes in an hour in the middle of a working day. What would I want with a 7,500 yard course?

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Brad Tufts

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2011, 02:42:22 PM »
Tedesco!

Front nine, par 34.

4-4-3-4-4-4-3-3-5.
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Andrew Summerell

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2011, 02:49:03 PM »
What Royal Melbourne West should be. Par 34 both nines.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2011, 03:28:46 PM »
In Ct. there's Fenwick , a 9 hole, par 34 course built in 1896. It's a real throwback, as is Newtown CC (1915), a 9 hole course with par 33/34 from the two sets of tees. 

Yale's front 9 is par 34
Fairfield CC's back 9 is 34
Shuttle Meadow's back 9 is 34
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Tim Martin

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2011, 04:03:25 PM »
I`ll add two to Jim Kennedy`s Connecticut list-
1)Country Club of Waterbury-Donald Ross-Par 34 back
2)New Haven CC-Willie Park Jr.-Par 34 front
and in New Jersey-Seaview Bay-Ross-Par 34 back
 
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mike_beene

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2011, 10:03:15 PM »
Back nine at Belair is 34
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Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2011, 11:54:31 AM »
For the 2012 US Open, the front nine on The Olympic Club's Lake course will play as a par 34 as #1 will be played as a par 4.
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Tom ORourke

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2011, 12:29:03 PM »
Riverton in South Jersey is a 37 - 34 - 71 layout. I believe this was not the original layout by Donald Ross. The course used to start at what is now the 13th hole but that is in the town of Riverton, which is a dry town. Many years ago the new clubhouse was built at the other end of the course, which is in Cinnaminnson, and they can serve drinks there. Now the course starts with 5 par fours, which is a little unusual. There is only one par 5 on the back, two on the front. Not a great course but a good one.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2011, 01:36:57 PM »
Philippe:

High Pointe was par 37-34 = 71, and Old Macdonald (already mentioned) 34-37 = 71.

On one of my original routings for Pacific Dunes, par would have been 34-37, and Mr. Keiser objected to that idea, so we kept working on the routing.  Funny how he came around later ... Old Mac was actually a more conventional routing until the last minute, when we moved the 7th green and inserted the 8th hole to wind up with three par-3's on the front nine.
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mark chalfant

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2011, 06:37:59 PM »
Metacomet,  RI   back nine is a splendid par 34



Rogell , MI.  is another good one
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Mike Wagner

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2011, 06:42:19 PM »
Broadmoor (Seattle) - front 9.
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Travis Dewire

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2011, 09:00:28 PM »
Essex County Club - back nine par 34. 4-3-4-4-3-4-4-4-4 par 70

Dedham Country & Polo - back nine par 34. 5-4-3-4-3-4-4-3-4 par 70

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Jason Walker

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2011, 09:27:55 PM »
Most of the good ones I'm familiar with in the Northeast have been mentioned...but one of my favorite clubs--not necessarily the greatest course--is Rockland Country Club in Sparkill NY with a 34/37 par
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Dave Falkner

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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2011, 09:55:38 PM »
St Georges  back nine 34
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Anton

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Re: par 33 or par 34 on good courses
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2011, 11:03:54 PM »
I agree with Tom O that Riverton is an unusual set up at 37 - 34.  Fun tight Don Ross course with small speedy greens.  I played the course way back in High School starting at 13 (by the white halfway house).  The course plays much better in that routing. 

Burlington Country Club in NJ used to have a 36 front (2 par 5s) and a 34 back (no par 5s).  Narrow course with small greens.  A renovation in the early part of this century made a world of difference to this course.  Now its 35-35 and has a great mix of long and short par 4s. 

Old Mac is a course I am real excited to play.  34 frt nine and 37 back looks strange on paper but from what everyone is saying it is an amazing experience. 
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