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Anthony Gray

Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #100 on: January 26, 2011, 06:29:52 PM »


  Just got of the phone with the Forrest Gump of golf.JT says your in at all 11.If your are stii friends call him.

 Anthony


John Kavanaugh

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #101 on: January 26, 2011, 06:32:36 PM »
Mac,

Everyone I know in the golf industry as of today is so scared about losing their job that the last thing they are doing is going out for some "free" golf unless directed from the highest sources.  Now in days gone by rounds would be traded for dinner at Outback but those guys are now, out back.

Anthony,

You now have ten, mostly inane, threads started of the first three pages of this site.  How about giving us a break?

Anthony Gray

Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #102 on: January 26, 2011, 06:36:49 PM »

Anthony,

You now have ten, mostly inane, threads started of the first three pages of this site.  How about giving us a break?


  OK...I'll send you some emails then.

  AG


Bob_Huntley

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2011, 06:40:40 PM »
Allowing employees to play golf after work is not akin to stealing

Greg...

Like I mentioned in my previous post, it all depends on who is allowing it.  The upper most level of management of the club?  Not stealing.  The most junior golf pro making a decision that no one has given him the authority to make.  Stealing.

Mac.

I know of no Head Professional who would allow the most junior golf professional to make such a decision: it would take away from his authority. As for the Merrill Lynch free trades, I agree, but you did get an 80% discount. You use the word "stealing"  rather loosely in regard to employee benefits, would you say the same about brokers gettting golf trips to Hawaii based on some sales promotion?

Bob




John Kavanaugh

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #104 on: January 26, 2011, 06:43:45 PM »

Anthony,

You now have ten, mostly inane, threads started of the first three pages of this site.  How about giving us a break?


  OK...I'll send you some emails then.

  AG



Please, no more pics.  The visuality of your insanity is not something I need to document.

Mac Plumart

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #105 on: January 26, 2011, 06:50:12 PM »
Bob...

I have no interest in arguing with you whatsoever.  I think you are nothing but class and I respect you a great deal.  The inner workings of the major investment banks are not the ideal to be shooting for regarding how to run a business, perhaps I could have come up with a better company...but that is the world I cut my teeth on and, therefore, what I know.  And they do, in fact, make A LOT of money.  But, alas, I left Mother Merrill years ago to start my own firm for a variety of reasons.  You touch on one of those reasons.

But I am not using the term "stealing" loosely.  I thought long and hard about it and I am convinced that is the correct term.  But I don't think I add much more to the debate here.  I've said my piece...I've re-read my longer previous post and I like how it is worded and I stand by it.  However, we all know that I am no expert in the running of a golf course.  So I am sure I missed the boat on some aspects.  But I do know how to run a business quite well.  And I touched on some areas that, perhaps, the golf industry needs to look at.

I apologize to any and all if I went a bit too far in some of the wording, but like I said I think I am correct.

Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

JC Jones

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #106 on: January 26, 2011, 06:54:07 PM »


JC is just a guy who just wants to be loved.  He is going to have to give up his access whoring to realize his true dreams.

The only reason I commented on this thread is because I consider him a friend and have witnessed his destructive behavior first hand.

My heart is warmed and my life will be better under your guidance and care.  Unfortunately, though, you'll have to fight off Wardo.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Greg Chambers

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #107 on: January 26, 2011, 07:16:59 PM »
Mac,

I guess I need to know exactly who you're talking about.  Are you talking about a head pro giving away free golf, willy nilly?  Or are you talking about employees at a golf course being extended the benefit of being able to play that course, without having to pay.  If you're talking about the latter, then I think you're way off base. 
"It's good sportsmanship to not pick up lost golf balls while they are still rolling.”

Bill_McBride

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #108 on: January 26, 2011, 08:39:25 PM »
Allowing employees to play golf after work is not akin to stealing

Greg...

Like I mentioned in my previous post, it all depends on who is allowing it.  The upper most level of management of the club?  Not stealing.  The most junior golf pro making a decision that no one has given him the authority to make.  Stealing.

A round of golf on Monday is like a seat on an airplane. The next day neither is worth a sous marquise.   Free golf for staff and the staff of other clubs is a universally accepted perk in a business where there are not many.  I don't buy your premise at all.

Cory Lewis

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #109 on: January 26, 2011, 09:03:19 PM »
It hurts the club/course/industry...there is no doubt about it.  If a club, from the upper levels of management, makes that call, fine...they are doing it for some reason, but if someone other than the head of the club (or its board or whatever the main decision making body of said club is) makes a decision in the field to give something away, that is a whole 'nother story...and has the potential to hurt the club and to me this is akin to stealing.

Mac,  How important is customer service to you at your clubs?  Because several of the places I have worked, if we didn't allow our employees to play golf occasionally we wouldn't have the best employees.  Most of the very professional retired guys we find aren't working for the money, they are doing it to play golf.  They don't care that we pay them minimum wage, as long as we allow them to play golf occasionally.  If allowing employees to play golf allows us to have the best possible customer service and keeps labor costs down, how is it bad for the industry? 
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JR Potts

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #110 on: January 26, 2011, 09:06:03 PM »
Am I missing some bigger joke here?  [apparently...yes, although it may be that you just, like Mr K below, just don't find it funny?]

If not, wow. [oy]

If so, it would be helpful to most to clarify. [one might check posts 2,3,4,6,9,11,12,13,14,15,17,19,22,23 for clues]


I guess I'm just not funny and can't grasp or apprecaite humor.

Sorry, the misconstruing of the intentions of this thread is clearly just on me.  *rolleyes*

Paul Jones

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #111 on: January 26, 2011, 10:05:23 PM »
Allowing employees to play golf after work is not akin to stealing

Greg...

Like I mentioned in my previous post, it all depends on who is allowing it.  The upper most level of management of the club?  Not stealing.  The most junior golf pro making a decision that no one has given him the authority to make.  Stealing.

A round of golf on Monday is like a seat on an airplane. The next day neither is worth a sous marquise.   Free golf for staff and the staff of other clubs is a universally accepted perk in a business where there are not many.  I don't buy your premise at all.

I even think even The Masters allow Class A Head Pro in for free.  I have a couple of friends and an uncle who are Class A Pros and they do not get paid well, but getting access to most elite clubs is a nice benefit.
Paul Jones
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Mac Plumart

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #112 on: January 26, 2011, 10:24:15 PM »
Greg...

I am talking about "willy nilly" free rounds.  If getting free golf for the staff is a benefit in exchange for low labor costs and that is the clubs policy, that is fine.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Dave Falkner

Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #113 on: January 26, 2011, 10:45:09 PM »
Mac
that was some funny stuff  holding up a wall street firm as an example while making a point about stealing

Mac Plumart

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #114 on: January 26, 2011, 11:17:33 PM »
Dave...

You made me laugh out loud on that one.  Good one! 
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Patrick Hodgdon

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #115 on: January 27, 2011, 12:46:48 AM »
JC-

I have a good friend in Columbus who is a member at The Golf Club.  He invites me out each summer and allows me to bring two guests.  I would be happy to include you in the group this year if you're interested.  Please IM me and we can talk dates.

Best-

Jim

As long as this thread is about access whoring I'd be happy to be the 4th Jim. ;)
Did you know World Woods has the best burger I've ever had in my entire life? I'm planning a trip back just for another one between rounds.

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Mark Chaplin

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #116 on: January 27, 2011, 02:24:57 AM »
Access whoring mentioned Muirfield and Royal Melbourne on page one. They are easy, write a nice letter in advance, pay the green fee and off you go.
Cave Nil Vino

Mark Pearce

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #117 on: January 27, 2011, 07:35:01 AM »
No need to write a letter with Muirfield.  Just go to the website.  Easy as pie.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

PCCraig

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #118 on: January 27, 2011, 07:40:26 AM »
Allowing employees to play golf after work is not akin to stealing

Greg...

Like I mentioned in my previous post, it all depends on who is allowing it.  The upper most level of management of the club?  Not stealing.  The most junior golf pro making a decision that no one has given him the authority to make.  Stealing.

A round of golf on Monday is like a seat on an airplane. The next day neither is worth a sous marquise.   Free golf for staff and the staff of other clubs is a universally accepted perk in a business where there are not many.  I don't buy your premise at all.

I even think even The Masters allow Class A Head Pro in for free.  I have a couple of friends and an uncle who are Class A Pros and they do not get paid well, but getting access to most elite clubs is a nice benefit.

You're correct, The Masters lets in PGA pros in for free (I'm not sure of qualifying ranks though). A nice perk!
H.P.S.

Brian Cenci

Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #119 on: January 27, 2011, 08:10:24 AM »
Where is a round at CC of Lansing with Dave and I on your list there JC?  I'm sure that's got to be in the top 11.  CCL is a hard place for access tho!

JC Jones

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #120 on: January 27, 2011, 09:13:57 AM »
Cenci,

It is hard to get on.  I practically begged you two a couple summers ago and couldn't get any traction.  Hopefully this summer.....
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Roger Wolfe

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #121 on: January 27, 2011, 10:32:22 AM »
It hurts the club/course/industry...there is no doubt about it.  If a club, from the upper levels of management, makes that call, fine...they are doing it for some reason, but if someone other than the head of the club (or its board or whatever the main decision making body of said club is) makes a decision in the field to give something away, that is a whole 'nother story...and has the potential to hurt the club and to me this is akin to stealing.

Mac,  How important is customer service to you at your clubs?  Because several of the places I have worked, if we didn't allow our employees to play golf occasionally we wouldn't have the best employees.  Most of the very professional retired guys we find aren't working for the money, they are doing it to play golf.  They don't care that we pay them minimum wage, as long as we allow them to play golf occasionally.  If allowing employees to play golf allows us to have the best possible customer service and keeps labor costs down, how is it bad for the industry? 

Cory... you are right on time.  I encourage my employees to play golf, properly restricted of course.  Furthermore, I don't trust anyone who works in the golf business who doesn't appreciate and enjoy the game.  When a member and an employee can "talk golf" together it only enhances the member's experience and makes the club a warmer place.

Our club stresses "warm and friendly" service rather than "maid and butler."  Some clubs stress the "maid and butler" but everyone knows that in the men's grill, the bag room, the pro shop and anywhere other than the dining room... employees and members are shooting the s&%*t about their families, sports, the news.  If we can add golf to that list of topics... why not?

We do charge them full guest rates on the rare occasion they ask to bring someone from the outside.  Occasionally we will allow a special visit from someone's parents or siblings but it is very very rare.

Expecting someone making $10 per hour to shell out rent and utility money to play golf is unrealistic.  It reminds me of the movie, "Trading Places."

Louis Winthorpe III: Randolph. Mortimer.
Mortimer Duke: Winthorpe, my boy, what have you got for us?
Louis Winthorpe III: Well, it's that time of the month again. Payroll checks for our employees, which require your signatures. And no forgetting to sign the big ones!
Mortimer Duke: We seem to be paying some of our employees an awful lot of money.
Louis Winthorpe III: [laughs] Can't get around the old minimum wage, Mortimer.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #122 on: January 27, 2011, 10:44:48 AM »
I want to say something that occurred to me while driving to pick up my son last night.  Before someone starts another stupid off topic joke thread they need to take into consideration that the addictive nature of these pissing matches may cost someone their life.  It's not me, as hitting a cow or stray hay bail will most likely just cause minor damage to my truck.  It's people like the guy who called me yesterday because he was reading this thread while driving, that same guy who is loved by all and cherishes his little bucket full of joy.  I don't know what it is but architectural threads always seem to be able to wait, its the mindless OT that makes great and sometimes responding while driving fodder.

Next time you decide to start another joke consider the innocent people who may be hurt.  I see the software on this site recognizes posts from cell phones, perhaps the moderators can disable the ability to accept posts to protect the driving public from amateur architects turned comedians.

note to JC:  Can you believe your load of crap ended up staining a good man like Mac, proud of yourself?

Don_Mahaffey

Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #123 on: January 27, 2011, 10:46:48 AM »
JC,
I'm hurt Wolf Point didn't make your cut. I was looking forward to telling you no...unless Hancock invited you.

Roger Wolfe

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Re: List Thread Returns: Top 11 courses I am seeking access to in 2011
« Reply #124 on: January 27, 2011, 10:55:02 AM »
I want to say something that occurred to me while driving to pick up my son last night.  Before someone starts another stupid off topic joke thread they need to take into consideration that the addictive nature of these pissing matches may cost someone their life.  It's not me, as hitting a cow or stray hay bail will most likely just cause minor damage to my truck.  It's people like the guy who called me yesterday because he was reading this thread while driving, that same guy who is loved by all and cherishes his little bucket full of joy.  I don't know what it is but architectural threads always seem to be able to wait, its the mindless OT that makes great and sometimes responding while driving fodder.

Next time you decide to start another joke consider the innocent people who may be hurt.  I see the software on this site recognizes posts from cell phones, perhaps the moderators can disable the ability to accept posts to protect the driving public from amateur architects turned comedians.

note to JC:  Can you believe your load of crap ended up staining a good man like Mac, proud of yourself?

I don't think anything on this thread has "stained" Mac.  It's good natured banter between folks from
two different walks of life.  The great game of "golf" is the link that pairs together the muni player
and the 5 star private club member.  The less fortunate yearn to experience the big clubs whose merits
are constantly lauded on the website.  I don't see anything wrong with that.

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