1st design for Tiger Woods Design complete

[Matthew Rose]

Had a look at the site. Some of the routings are interesting. I was expecting the typical 7800 yard perfectly symmetrical slog-fest. Saw some back to back par-threes in there and some shorter holes mixed in with longer ones.

I'm guessing Tiger has very little to do with it, though.

[Ben Kodadek]

With such detail, I wonder who the superintendent is?  I'm sure it has to have constant and experienced staff to keep it in top condition.

I'm trying to figure that out. I've scratched some rough numbers as to what a maintenance budget for those grasses, in this climate might be, let alone maintaining it to the standards of TW. There is alot of coin there.

Anthony,

Can you ballpark what the annual budget might be for upkeep?  Throw out the salaries, just maintenance.

[Richard Choi]

David, I still don't agree.

This is not a general use course or practice facility. It is designed for a very specific purpose (replicate typical greens found on PGA Tour/majors). How could it be waste of money if it fills the need that it was designed for?

[Mike Nuzzo]

Fighting the natural environment is a waste of money.

Cheers

Waste of money???

I wasn't referring to the fact that he has a golf course, but the manner in which it was designed, constructed and maintained.
The manners that were praised by Jaeger as if they should be used as a model for anyone else.
Tiger can waste all the money he wants.
Cheers

Mike Young
Is he now officially an internet architect?
Cheers

[Steve Okula]

The grasses listed in the article are all varieties of bermudagrass, and well adapted to that climate. I would think that things like sub-air are superfluous.

Anyway, bermudagrass alone won't replicate all the conditions TW will face on the Tour, least of all on the greens, as the majority of Tour events will play on bentgrass putting surfaces.

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

Plezzzzzz what are we doing even giving a man credit for a job well done for our game when it is a practice facility at his house. Tiger ought to be embarrassed to put this up as anything more than a reflection as to how out of touch he is with current golf reality. I had high hopes he would get his life and mind right for future. It is hard for any of us to get through these personal crisis, but few of us do it in front of the world. A wise man told me while I was going through my divorce to now make any significant investment or important decisions of any kind for a few years after my divorce. It is clear and has been Tigers mind is not right for the last year.

[Anthony_Nysse]

The grasses listed in the article are all varieties of bermudagrass, and well adapted to that climate. I would think that things like sub-air are superfluous.

If you have the money, put it in. TPC has sub air under ALL their greens and heating coils under some of the troubled ones. If you want fast, firm and dry, this can only help.

[PCCraig]

I don't care how it helps TW tax wise, or how it makes practice more convenient, or what type of supt needs to be there....my point was and is that this is more of the same over the top stuff that put golf where it is today....sure it's nice to have and he can afford it...but even the RE ventures he will be hired to market/design should be over all of this stuff by now....

Mike:

Who cares what he puts in his own backyard?

If you made a living on USGA greens, why would you build a practice green that is anything but?

[Mike_Young]

I don't care how it helps TW tax wise, or how it makes practice more convenient, or what type of supt needs to be there....my point was and is that this is more of the same over the top stuff that put golf where it is today....sure it's nice to have and he can afford it...but even the RE ventures he will be hired to market/design should be over all of this stuff by now....

Mike:

Who cares what he puts in his own backyard?

If you made a living on USGA greens, why would you build a practice green that is anything but?

Pat,
Do you think he should put in a push-up green also....since he makes his living on those also....any idea how many US Opens have been played on USGA greens? 

Mike N,
Of course he's an internet archie....just like George Foreman is a grill maker

[Anthony_Nysse]

Pat,
Do you think he should put in a push-up green also....since he makes his living on those also....any idea how many US Opens have been played on USGA greens? 
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If I couldnt have USGA, I'd want the closest thing possible to maintain tifeagle. The most sand the better to keep the surface dry for tifeagle. Is doesn't liek to be moist.
 
Mike-Most US Open courses, if NOT on USGA greens, are on some sort of modified soils because of advances in technology. All the "drill and fills," "dryjects," "graden," XGD drainage systems. There really isn't such thing as a "push up" green, like many think. They have all been modified to many degrees.

[Mike_Young]

Pat,
Do you think he should put in a push-up green also....since he makes his living on those also....any idea how many US Opens have been played on USGA greens? 

If I couldnt have USGA, I'd want the closest thing possible to maintain tifeagle. The most sand the better to keep the surface dry for tifeagle. Is doesn't liek to be moist.
 
Mike-Most US Open courses, if NOT on USGA greens, are on some sort of modified soils because of advances in technology. All the "drill and fills," "dryjects," "graden," XGD drainage systems. There really isn't such thing as a "push up" green, like many think. They have all been modified to many degrees.
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Tony,
I don't disagree with anything you say above.....and yep....really not anything as a straight push up...BUT  they are not USGA...
my point was....a tour player could care less if it was USGA or "updated push-up" or whatever....similar speeds and slopes would be more critical IMHO...also..I am not sure that maybe half the courses they now play are ultradwarf....and it may be there are more ultradwarf tour courses than either bent or poa....
Oh..and what is this Linkin park stuff....cheers

[Anthony_Nysse]

Mike,
  Ultradwafts are starting to become more and more common. To the best of my knowledge,the TOUR plays on 20ish course with bentgrass, 8 on overseed and 11 on ultradwafts. (The overseed courses are an ultradwaft, as well.)
  Linkin Park...great concert, great band, great seats!

[Mike Tanner]

Tony,
What did you come up with as an estaimate for the annual maintenance budget? Not counting his superintendents salary, it must be a a sustantial sum—well, for anybody except Tiger. Also, what kind of equipment would he need to have in the shed?
 

[Anthony_Nysse]

Mike,
  I am very hesitate to give a number on this public forum without knowing all the specifics. I would think that there are some "mom and pop" clubs that would be jealous, though.

The Superintendent, Mike, may have anything from a walking greens mower for the tifeagle, a walking greens mower for the tifdwaft and a riding mower (triplex or fwy unit) of some sort for the 419/Celebration fwys and roughs. He may have a topdresser, roller, aerifier, sprayer, fertilizer spreader. Some of that specialty equipment may be outsourced to save the $$ of purchasing. I don't want to say more until I've heard or seen more. It certainly looks awesome!

[Steve Okula]

Mike,
  Ultradwafts are starting to become more and more common. To the best of my knowledge,the TOUR plays on 20ish course with bentgrass, 8 on overseed and 11 on ultradwafts. (The overseed courses are an ultradwaft, as well.)
  Linkin Park...great concert, great band, great seats!

Anthony,

Please share your source for this information. The grasses I mean, not the music.

[Anthony_Nysse]

Mike,
  Ultradwafts are starting to become more and more common. To the best of my knowledge,the TOUR plays on 20ish course with bentgrass, 8 on overseed and 11 on ultradwafts. (The overseed courses are an ultradwaft, as well.)
  Linkin Park...great concert, great band, great seats!

Anthony,

Please share your source for this information. The grasses I mean, not the music.

PGA TOUR.com. Knowing the courses and time of year, I can figure out what surface. This week at TP-bent/poa. Next week at Scottsdale-overseeded. Week after-Pebble-bent/poa. Week after-Riviera-bent/poa...etc....

[Mike_Young]

Mike,
  Ultradwafts are starting to become more and more common. To the best of my knowledge,the TOUR plays on 20ish course with bentgrass, 8 on overseed and 11 on ultradwafts. (The overseed courses are an ultradwaft, as well.)
  Linkin Park...great concert, great band, great seats!

Anthony,

Please share your source for this information. The grasses I mean, not the music.

have heard from one grass company that the tour would like for all of its warm weather courses to be the same stand of ultradwarf and were working towards such....and since they would like to have all events played on their courses eventually.....seems like bermuda would become the grass of choice for them.....that is PGA Tour not USGA tournaments...

PGA TOUR.com. Knowing the courses and time of year, I can figure out what surface. This week at TP-bent/poa. Next week at Scottsdale-overseeded. Week after-Pebble-bent/poa. Week after-Riviera-bent/poa...etc....

[Anthony_Nysse]

Mike,
  I am a little confused. You know as well as I do, it is not possible for the TOUR to have all their events played on courses with bermudagrass. I would guess the Mini Verde is the TOURs choice as they have it at East Lake and TPC.

[Mike_Young]

Mike,
  I am a little confused. You know as well as I do, it is not possible for the TOUR to have all their events played on courses with bermudagrass. I would guess the Mini Verde is the TOURs choice as they have it at East Lake and TPC.

Tony,
I think I said "warm weather courses"....yep I hear Mini verde also...

[Mike Tanner]

Tony,
 I appreciate your discretion about the numbers. As for the equipment, I guess we won't see Tiger emulating AP's old tractor/Pennzoil commercials in the future. Or will we? 

[Joe Grasty]

Slide show up on golf.com with layout and construction photos:

http://www.golf.com/golf/gallery/article/0,28242,2044331-1,00.html