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Brian_Ewen

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Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« on: January 23, 2011, 05:38:42 AM »
Saw this on FlickR today, and it immediately brought a smile to my face.

A sadly missed Designer IMO

The hole is called Sangreal .


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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Oak Village CC, Japan
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2011, 12:36:20 AM »
The Sangreal is another name for the Holy Grail, a legendary sacred vessel associated with divine revelation, whose origins go back to the Last Supper. In Arthurian legend, the Grail quest represented a heroic and mystic adventure attempted by the Knights of the Round Table and was achieved by Sir Bors, Sir Percival, and Sir Galahad.
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Matt Day

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Re: Oak Village CC, Japan
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2011, 01:11:53 AM »
Is the architect Dan Brown!!

Looks like a fun hole to play

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Oak Village CC, Japan
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2011, 07:48:27 PM »
Matt
The architect is Desmond Muirhead.

Lets change the title, and see if we get a better response

George Freeman

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2011, 07:57:46 PM »
Interesting looking hole!

Brian - where is the course?
Mayhugh is my hero!!

"I love creating great golf courses.  I love shaping earth...it's a canvas." - Donald J. Trump

Anthony Gray

Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2011, 08:19:41 PM »



  Looks like art.Is that bad?Good thread for discussion.

  Anthony

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2011, 08:21:19 PM »
I never met him, I think he was probably the greatest person, based on Tommy's appreciation for him....
What a f'ing waste of diesel fuel.
I hope no one ever got hurt, or worse, cutting the grass on that slope.
I don't think Desmond ever maintained one of his holes.
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2011, 08:24:56 PM »
Well, if we go with Dan Brown's interp that the chalice was Mary Magdalene's hoo-haa, we can connect this hole to Muirheads mermaid hole and have the skeeviest of all hole pairings.
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Alex Miller

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2011, 08:25:11 PM »
Kinda cool looking, but

It looks like the lake is a toilet seat and he dropped a big deuce.

The bunker is apparently the splash.

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2011, 08:45:58 PM »
Lets change the title, and see if we get a better response

Brian - where is the course?

You have to laugh !

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2011, 09:30:44 PM »
the water is the chalice; the bunker is a fleur de lis, I believe.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2011, 09:33:02 PM »
Golf design by Monte Python's Flying Circus?

Matt_Cohn

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2011, 09:49:31 PM »
I vote no on account of the fact that one would take exactly the same line every day, right? I think it would get a bit monotonous. Just some days it's one club less or more.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2011, 09:50:07 PM »
Frankly, seeing things like this make me want to travel far and wide to see golf in every country.  It seems that each has their own "spin" on the game.  

This is Japan, right?  Remember the thread not to long ago that was looking for amateur architect's ideas on unique holes?  It was a course in China that had something like a firecracker hole, a hole that looked like the Olympic Stadium.  To me it was weird, as is this hole.  But maybe that is cool over in Asia...I don't know.

Scotland sure seems different than the US, maybe Australia is different than South Africa...etc, etc, etc.

Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Gary Daughters

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2011, 11:21:49 PM »
I wish there were more Muirheads.  I've played two of his courses frequently and both are absolute joys.  He seems to have been in revolt against the Mundane.

I played this Muirhead course just yesterday.
















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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2011, 11:46:10 PM »
Lets change the title, and see if we get a better response
Brian - where is the course?
You have to laugh !

This is Japan, right?  

Yes its Oak Village CC in Japan.

I originally titled it as such, but got one responce in two days.

As I thought, retitling the thread, would get everyones attention more !

Shame there was not more photos of the course, only the above and this one :

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Tim Gavrich

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2011, 01:50:13 AM »
Having seen these pictures (and others in previous threads) of Desmond Muirhead-designed golf courses, I can't help but feel as though the two Muirhead courses I've played--Oronoque CC in Stratford, CT and Farmington Woods GD in Avon, CT--are the least flamboyant golf courses he built.  Farmington Woods possesses exactly one decently memorable hole and Oronoque is just offensively narrow (in the two-rows-of-OB-stakes-down-every-single-fairway sort of way). 

That said, I'd love to see some of his more out-there work in person.  I can't say that I would be in favor of it prevailing as the dominant type of golf course architecture, but it cannot be denied that it adds some diversity to the GCA world.
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2011, 08:00:15 AM »

That said, I'd love to see some of his more out-there work in person.  I can't say that I would be in favor of it prevailing as the dominant type of golf course architecture, but it cannot be denied that it adds some diversity to the GCA world.

Tim...I think you've hit on a huge point when you say you'd love to see more of his work in person.  If someone really wants to study golf course architecture, don't they owe it to themselves to see things like this firsthand?  Of course, they need to see NGLA, Sand Hills, and courses like that...BUT, I would argue they need to see a high end country club Fazio, their local muni, a nine hole executive track, a Muirhead, Nicklaus' early work and recent work, they've got to get to Great Britian, Australia, Canada, Japan, and China.  Man, I am thinking the Asian golf experience is WAY different than anything in the States or GB&I. 

Good thread guys and great point Tim.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2011, 10:45:14 AM »
Why in the first picture does there seem to be a bail-out area on the right hand side of the green ?

To make the shot a little easier from the ladies tee ?

Anyone ?

Philippe Binette

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2011, 10:50:47 AM »
I see the bunker as a crown (the green is the head of the king)

Sangreal from latin:

Sang: sanctis means blood
real means royal

royal blood leads to holy grail, so we should not be looking for the cup... but for the blood line as Dan Brown said

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2011, 11:07:00 AM »
On the Clubs website http://www.oakvillage.co.jp/ , its seems to be called King Arthur Oak Village GC

(Some videos of the holes also http://www.oakvillage.co.jp/?p=course_in.html#course_10)














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Mac Plumart

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2011, 01:26:25 PM »
St. George and The Dragon is even better than the Clashing Rocks of Stone Harbour.  Wow-zers!
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2011, 04:37:55 AM »
THAT would 'do your head in' if you were a Greenkeeper ?


Mark Pearce

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2011, 04:53:17 AM »
These pictures bring a smile to my face.  I imagine playing there the smile would be even broader.  Isn't that a really important part of architecture? 
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Classic Desmond Muirhead Golf Hole
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2011, 04:55:10 AM »
Somewhere in Japan there is another Muirhead course where there's a par-3 hole shaped like a guitar, with the green (body) built up by rock walls all around it.

I never met Mr. Muirhead, and he might well have been a great guy ... certainly you would expect interesting company, anyway.  But when he got back into golf design in the early 1980's, it seemed that he almost had a contempt for golf architecture as practiced by the pros [or by anyone else].  He rejected completely the idea that golf was about shot values, and threw all of this weird symbolism into the mix as the basis for his designs.  Was it that he thought the Japanese would appreciate symbolism more, or that he thought they didn't know any better and he could do whatever he wanted?  He must have had clients who backed his ideas, and there have certainly been many golf developers over the years who really didn't give a hoot about golf.

I am not one to reject the idea of different takes on the game; I am intrigued by someone who tries to go beyond just golf in their designs, AS LONG AS THEY DESIGN THE HOLES SO THEY CAN BE APPRECIATED BY THE GOLFER.  I could never tell if Desmond really cared about golf and golfers, or not.