News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Kyle Henderson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« on: January 19, 2011, 04:27:31 PM »
Place: Stone Eagle Golf Club, Palm Desert , CA
Season: Winter (Rye grass over-seeding disguises dormant Bermuda strains)
Weather Conditions: 60’s- 70’s Fahrenheit. Calm.
Host: Dear friend, former club champion, atheist and self-proclaimed gift of the gods.
 
* All yardages are given and tee shots are pictured from the back markers, unless noted otherwise.
 
The practice range hints at the challenge provided by the course’s firm and uneven fairways (photos do not do the contours justice) that, while generously proportioned, are surrounded by a highly penal assortment of rocks and earth. The members have lovingly dubbed this mineral mixture “kitty litter.”
 
 
#1 Par 4 402 yards
The 1st tee presents a spectacular panorama, with holes seemingly traversing up and down the surface of Mars. One’s opening tee shot will drop down a bit, but the upslope of the fairway quickly brings the drive to a halt, despite the firm surface presented. For the approach, take an extra club or two to reach the green -- it sits up at the same level as the tee.

 
#2 Par 4 398 yards
Playing much longer than the opening hole, the 2nd asks for a strongly-hit drive through a gap in the rocks to a generous fairway that runs steadily uphill. The fairway also slopes a bit from left-to-right, often forcing golfers to play a long approach over the first bunkers encountered on the course.

 
Looking across the 2nd green from starboard, one sees the back-to-front tilt of the tricky, undulating green and the partial punchbowl.

 
#3 Par 3 164 yards
The rear portion of the green is tilted away from the tee, adding difficulty for those attempting to access back pin locations. Do not miss long or right.

 
#4 Par 4 464 yards
The first downhill hole at Stone Eagle offers a dazzling view of the Coachella Valley below. Mortals should take their line at the right edge of the 18th green in the distance, as anything left of that will be funneled toward a hidden lake. Sadly, a waterfall feeding the lake runs down behind the tee box, adding quite a bit of noise to an otherwise quiet, peaceful property. The slopes found within this fairway are unreal.

 
The approach to the 4th green will almost certainly be played from an uneven lie. Those that bail well right off the tee will be forced to contend with a rocky hillock that blocks out the right side of the green. Left pins are less troublesome.

 
Looking across 4th green from behind/right, it is clear that three putts will be common for those left with lengthy lag attempts.

 
#5 par 4 418 yards
The teeing grounds here comprise a part of the dam used to hydrate the ravine. A strong uphill drive is needed to bring the green within reach. Left is dead, so naturally left/center is ideal.

 
The approach to the 5th green is one of the most difficult uphill shots on the course. Most players will be best served by aiming for the green’s right edge with a slight draw and attempting to get up and down for a “4,” as the green is at the edge of the ravine on the left.

 
#6 par 4 364 yards
While the tee shot simply begs players to cut the corner, the wise play here is to aim at the left edge of the bunker beyond the fairway. From there, one has a full wedge to a small green in the saddle seen to the right.

 
Although the green will gather shots to some degree, anything falling short, long or right of the surface will be repelled and possibly left in dire straits.

 
Looking back across the 6th green, one sees that the fairway is contiguous with the par 3 7th hole. This allows walking golfers to play #7 as a short par 4 in lieu of climbing far and high to the true tee boxes. Note the carry bunker in the distance set to challenge those attempting to drive the green.

 
#7 Par 3 218 yards
Thie drop-shot is played away from an amazing view of the Coachella behind the tee (not pictured). Winds may affect a ball’s flight more here than anywhere else on the course and many compelling recovery shots are offered around the green for shots blown off course.  But sadly, the choice to place the tees on such a lofty perch completely ruins any semblance of course “walkability.”

 
Looking across the 7th green to the 6th (i.e. looking back at the “Walker ’s par 4 7th).

 
#8 Par 5 501 yards
A deep bunker guards the shortest route down the right side of the fairway, inhabiting what was once a ravine before the 8th fairway was built. Plenty of room is availability for conservative play down the left.

 
Attempts to reach the green in two must be struck with authority to carry this rocky abyss.

 
#9 Par 4 418 yards
Seen here from the front tees, the 9th hole does not require copious amounts of power from the tee. Yet, careless placement of one’s drive might yield approach shots from a tricky lie (again, photos fail to capture the prodigious movement within the fairways).

 
From the center of the fairway, the approach to the 9th green offers the subtle scent of birdie.

 
#10 386 yards
Much like at the second, drives here are played through a gap to a steadily-climbing fairway. An accurate poke to left center is optimal, while weak fades will fall to the lower right portion of the prepared pitch.

 
The second shot at the 10th is bound to be a long and testing up the hill, much like at the 5th but favoring a fade.

 
Misses had best be hole high left. This angle presents the best opportunity for recovery and a glimpse of the taco stand.

 
#11 Par 4 404
A decent hole in its own right, but perhaps a bit too similar to the 9th in terms of its length, directional orientation and descending, right-to-left slope terrain, the 11th offers another birdie chance for better players.

 
Fortunately, the congruency of the playing characteristics with the 9th hole is not complete. This bunker found in the left/center of the 11th fairway helps to distinguish the hole. It also forces one to consider clubbing down off the tee.

 
This view is across 11th green from the right. Just left of and above the flag, one can see the back tee for the par 3 15th from where players hit between the two hillocks to the green seen at the right side of the frame.

 
#12 Par 3 153 yards
Another drop shot par 3, but much shorter than the 7th, this hole can rack up a big score if the tee shot is poorly struck. Par is a simple chore for consistent players, while birdies will prove elusive on the subtly rippled green.

 
A distant view of the 12th (taken from the 14th fairway below) lends the appearance of a verdant island in the rocks.


#13 Par 5 548 yards
The teeing grounds are set in a small hollow, making it difficult to gauge the effects of the wind. There is also more room to the left than appearances would suggest from here.

 
From the forward tees, the extreme width of the fairway comes into full view. Long drives that sneak past the right bunker bring the green in range for eagle hunters.

 
Shots that end up in this bunker offer dicey lay-up prospects. The ravine requires a carry of ~150 yards from the center of the bunker, depending on the chosen angle of attack.

  
A view over the 13th green back to the fairway (left) with 14th running away on the right.

 
#14 Par 4 415 yards
This brawny par 4 plays a bit uphill and asks for a strong drive to the right center. Hooks and pulls may find the kitty liter in a ravine at the left. The approach must then carry the litter chasm and should favor the starboard of the green to avoid cavernous bunkering.

 
#15 Par 3 185 yards
As previously mentioned, the 15th plays between hillocks to green that falls away at the front and back. The right side is protected by a bunker while the left will yield a friendly kick or a hanging lie.


 #16 Par 4 352 yards
The bold and the powerful can have a go for the right edge of this green with driver, while the plodders can place a long iron or fairway wood toward one of the right side bunkers. At the far left of frame, the 18th green is perched at the valley’s edge.

 
#17 Par 5 512 yards
The last genuine birdie opportunity comes here. Plenty of space is offered to encourage aggressive drives.

 
From the fairway, the second shot options are plentiful, so long as one carries past the narrow shoot to the landing area beyond.

 
Players contending with this short, uphill leave must select their approach club very carefully.

 
This view across the 17th green (from left) depicts how tightly the left bunker guards the 17th green-- the right bunker allows for a wider margin of error.

 
#18 Par 4 (and a half) 499 yards
A tough closer for those seeking par, the 18th ensures that close matches could go either way. This tee is the place to hit one purely.

 
This view is from the 16th tee, across the 17th fairway to the 18th green.

 
Even after a good strike, one must hope for a helpful forward kick to a flat place on the short grass to make the green a realistic target for shot number two. When used, the back left pin location renders this hole a par 5 for most members.

 
#19 Par 3 151 yards
Set between rocky hummocks at the edge of the valley, the 19th hole features a large green that falls away on all sides. Matches undecided after 18 holes will be quickly sorted here, although any sane person with enough daylight left should opt for a 19-hole playoff.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2011, 04:30:37 PM by Kyle Henderson »
"I always knew terrorists hated us for our freedom. Now they love us for our bondage." -- Stephen T. Colbert discusses the popularity of '50 Shades of Grey' at Gitmo

Chip Gaskins

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 05:12:38 PM »
Kyle

You picture taking ability has been amazing over the past few months...you take a class or always been great at it?  Using an SLR?  What kind?

The course looks really cool.  Lots of lost balls, eh?

Very rugged terrain to say the least.

Chip

Bill_McBride

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 05:17:08 PM »
Kyle

You picture taking ability has been amazing over the past few months...you take a class or always been great at it?  Using an SLR?  What kind?

The course looks really cool.  Lots of lost balls, eh?

Very rugged terrain to say the least.

Chip

Chip, the fairways are so much wider than they  look that there are few lost balls.

Kyle, which par 4 has the great looking skyline green, dogleg right?

Kyle Henderson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 05:20:20 PM »
Kyle

You picture taking ability has been amazing over the past few months...you take a class or always been great at it?  Using an SLR?  What kind?

The course looks really cool.  Lots of lost balls, eh?

Very rugged terrain to say the least.

Chip

Thanks, Chip. No classes. I got a Canon Rebel Ti1 SLR over the summer, as used here, but often post pics taken with a little hand-held Sony. The Canon is MUCH better when the light is dim or when I need to zoom in a bit.

The setting of Stone Eagle is unique but leads to fewer lost balls than one might think. The fairways are plenty wide for anyone under a 15 handicap.
"I always knew terrorists hated us for our freedom. Now they love us for our bondage." -- Stephen T. Colbert discusses the popularity of '50 Shades of Grey' at Gitmo

David_Elvins

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2011, 05:22:54 PM »
oooooh. Nice photos!

Thanks Kyle.
Ask not what GolfClubAtlas can do for you; ask what you can do for GolfClubAtlas.

Kyle Henderson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2011, 05:23:48 PM »

Kyle, which par 4 has the great looking skyline green, dogleg right?

I labelled the pics...
;)

My guess is #6.
"I always knew terrorists hated us for our freedom. Now they love us for our bondage." -- Stephen T. Colbert discusses the popularity of '50 Shades of Grey' at Gitmo

Harris Nepon

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2011, 05:29:56 PM »
Incredible shots Kyle, thanks for posting. Just another one I have to add to my list of must plays.

Matt_Ward

Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2011, 05:37:55 PM »
Just a wonderful course to play -- the juxtaposition of the downhill 4th with the uphill 5th makes for two of the best par-4 holes within the entire valley that are back-to-back.

The closing 18th is also one of Doak's most demanding holes -- just a solid teaser for the longer hitters given the pinched in drive zone. Ditto for a cool green which is protected by one deep ass bunker to the left.

Mike Nuzzo

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2011, 05:59:39 PM »
Very nice Kyle.
Were you using a wide angle lens?
I ask because a wide angle will make the fairways look smaller from the tee.

Is it looks hard plays easier off the tee tougher around the greens?
I can easily see myself missing fairways to start and having a hard time getting comfortable swinging.
As Bill says the fairways are very playable - some days I never know.

What do you think Tom Doak shoots - he's around a 10?

Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Greg Tallman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2011, 06:22:09 PM »
Interesting but I have seen a virtual replica of the 15th here in the Baja (albeit with a bay in the background). The hole has yet to be built but is routed.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2011, 11:42:21 AM by Greg Tallman »

Mac Plumart

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2011, 06:32:22 PM »
I've always thought this course looks great.  But I've heard a number of people, who's opinion of golf architecture I respect, say that Stone Eagle has some major flaws.  However, I've never got deep enough into the discussion to find out exactly what those flaws are.  Anyone care to offer an opinion as to what those flaws might be?
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Kyle Henderson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2011, 06:35:56 PM »
Very nice Kyle.
Were you using a wide angle lens?
I ask because a wide angle will make the fairways look smaller from the tee.

Is it looks hard plays easier off the tee tougher around the greens?
I can easily see myself missing fairways to start and having a hard time getting comfortable swinging.
As Bill says the fairways are very playable - some days I never know.

What do you think Tom Doak shoots - he's around a 10?

Cheers

I used the stock 55mm lens with a UV filter (mostly protect the lense).

The drives are not overly taxing, especially from the members tee. Lost balls deserve their fate, no doubt. The approaches provide the most challenge for me. It's hard to go pin-seeking when the green is rarely level with your position, especially given an uneven stance.

The greens won't make you look foolish, but any putt outside of three feet will be a tester.

Ballyneal is more difficult around the greens but  more forgiving off-piste, as a comparison.
"I always knew terrorists hated us for our freedom. Now they love us for our bondage." -- Stephen T. Colbert discusses the popularity of '50 Shades of Grey' at Gitmo

Bill_McBride

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2011, 06:36:46 PM »
I've always thought this course looks great.  But I've heard a number of people, who's opinion of golf architecture I respect, say that Stone Eagle has some major flaws.  However, I've never got deep enough into the discussion to find out exactly what those flaws are.  Anyone care to offer an opinion as to what those flaws might be?

The only thing I could mention is that, despite the assurances of the road warriors, Stone Eagle is not walkable for mere mortals.  You could play an abbreviated version and avoid some of the severe hikes up to tees, but the entire course is a trek.

Otherwise it's in the top echelon of desert courses.

Bill_McBride

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2011, 06:40:31 PM »

Kyle, which par 4 has the great looking skyline green, dogleg right?

I labelled the pics...
;)

My guess is #6.

That's it, thanks.  Great short par4.

Kyle Henderson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2011, 06:41:23 PM »
I've always thought this course looks great.  But I've heard a number of people, who's opinion of golf architecture I respect, say that Stone Eagle has some major flaws.  However, I've never got deep enough into the discussion to find out exactly what those flaws are.  Anyone care to offer an opinion as to what those flaws might be?

Mac,

The 7th and 15th render a difficult walk nearly unthinkable in the heat (I've walked the course once).

The undulating greens, while compelling, offer a limited number of pin locations. This is a significant limitation on a members course.

Also, the uphill and sidehill holes are a bit repetitive.

I despise the water feature.

But make no mistake, Stone Eagle is the creme de la creme for modern courses in Southern California.
"I always knew terrorists hated us for our freedom. Now they love us for our bondage." -- Stephen T. Colbert discusses the popularity of '50 Shades of Grey' at Gitmo

Matt_Ward

Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2011, 06:49:35 PM »
Mac:

I chuckle when I hear of noise from the cheap seats that says "major flaws" -- but no name is discussed and no specifics provided.

Mac, nothing against you -- but often times such statements are really stretching the far-fetched points they seek to make.

By the way -- have you ever played the course ?

Matt Bosela

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2011, 07:28:13 PM »
Looks awesome - great photos Kyle and thank you for posting them here.

Jud_T

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2011, 07:46:39 PM »
This has got to be one of the most photogenic courses around.  Great work Kyle.  Too bad my reciprocal request was politely denied when I was in the hood... :(
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Sean Leary

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2011, 07:51:33 PM »
I can't believe how tight the pics make it look. It is as wide open a  course as you would ever play. Looks tight here. Amazing...

Great course and really fun to play.

David_Elvins

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2011, 07:54:59 PM »
Mac:

I chuckle when I hear of noise from the cheap seats that says "major flaws" -- but no name is discussed and no specifics provided.

Mac, nothing against you -- but often times such statements are really stretching the far-fetched points they seek to make.

By the way -- have you ever played the course ?

Matt,

I thought Mac's post was an excellent conversation starter.  You are free to launch a coherent argument against it if you want, instead of asking sill quesitons like "have you played the course?"
Ask not what GolfClubAtlas can do for you; ask what you can do for GolfClubAtlas.

George Freeman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2011, 08:29:35 PM »
Thanks for the awesome tour Kyle. 

To me, this course has always looked so good in pictures it almost hurts!  It does look a little tight from the tee, but I'm encouraged to hear from a few saying that is not the case.  The tan rock and hills contrasted against the green turf is absolutely spectacular.  I can only imagine how good this course would look with the sun setting, capturing all those humps and bumps in the fairway, which look soooo good.  It's also very good to hear that the course is kept firm and fast, enabling golfers to have fun with the rolling topography.

It's going to be a long winter...
Mayhugh is my hero!!

"I love creating great golf courses.  I love shaping earth...it's a canvas." - Donald J. Trump

rjsimper

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2011, 12:41:29 AM »
I can't believe how tight the pics make it look. It is as wide open a  course as you would ever play. Looks tight here. Amazing...

Great course and really fun to play.

You shouldn't be too surprised....same thing happens to Prairie Dunes. The pics of PD freaked me out before I actually set foot on the property.

I love Stone Eagle. Much like Prairie Dunes, it's tons of fun.

Carl Nichols

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2011, 01:00:33 AM »
Thanks for the awesome tour Kyle. 

To me, this course has always looked so good in pictures it almost hurts!  It does look a little tight from the tee, but I'm encouraged to hear from a few saying that is not the case.  The tan rock and hills contrasted against the green turf is absolutely spectacular.  I can only imagine how good this course would look with the sun setting, capturing all those humps and bumps in the fairway, which look soooo good.  It's also very good to hear that the course is kept firm and fast, enabling golfers to have fun with the rolling topography.

It's going to be a long winter...

George:
Couldn't agree more.

Kyle Henderson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2011, 01:17:50 AM »
My pics do create the illusion of narrow playing corridors, but that is really a testament to the awesome scale of the property and the small number of pixels allocated on this discussion board. Even I could play a round here without losing a ball if I played with a bit of caution.


Ads an example, here's a larger version of the 13th/14th view. That's a veritable ocean of turf out there.



"I always knew terrorists hated us for our freedom. Now they love us for our bondage." -- Stephen T. Colbert discusses the popularity of '50 Shades of Grey' at Gitmo

Matt_Ward

Re: Stone Eagle: A Pictorial!!!
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2011, 11:43:58 AM »
Someone will have to explain to me how Stone Eagle doesn't get more attention from the national mags.

Here's a layout that provides a clear fun dimension and the terrain -- while severe in spots -- is not worse than a range
of other rated courses in areas that are certainly more demanding in terms of walking and the like.

I always love when you pull off Hwy 74 and enter the property -- no one has a clue for what's in store !