No nastiness...I thought it was quite humorous actually. I do know how you spend a lot of time playing with your hickory stick and know Ralph has the same indulgence.
Are you still in 4th grade, or did your mind just stay in 4th grade while the teachers passed you along to be rid of you? What's next, fart jokes?
Better than going around calling people "idiots", don't you think?
Ralph called it as he saw it, and you continue to prove him correct . . .
And Lloyd didn't just take title for the 117 acres Merion secured in his name for HDC....he bought the Johnson Farm and the Dallas Estate outright in December which is why Francis had to come directly to him for permission later..
Mike you and your mentor cannot just play
make believe when it come comes to this stuff! You have to consider what the documents actually say. HDC took title to that property in Lloyd's name. Here, let me break it down for once again in layman's terms.
1. As of November of 1910 HDC owned or had options to purchase not quite 340 acres of land. Not all of the land was yet in HDC's name, and HDC was using the money from the sale of the golf course land to consolidate all of their interests (exercising options, completing purchases, transfering property,etc.) into HDC for development. Particularly, the 140 acre "Johnson Farm" parcel was technically owned by a related entity (something like Ardmore Land Company) and the Dallas property was in the process of being acquired (as had been the case since October or before) from the Estate.
2. Originally, the land for the golf course was apparently to pass from the previous owners (Ardmore Land and whoever was holding the Dallas Estate, probably the executors or to whomever they had transferred) to the new MCC related corporation.
3. For this to happen, the Johnson Farm Property needed to be divided along Golf House Road, the location of which as of November 5th 1910 was still "Approximate" pending the final determination of the boundary of the golf course.
4. So Cuyler proposed that the parcels to be used in whole or in part for the golf course (the 140 acre Johnson Farm and the 21 acre Dallas Estate) be instead transferred to HDC in Lloyd's name pending the final exact determination of the boundary (the road) dividing the Johnson Farm.
5. At that point,
on behalf of HDC, Lloyd was obligated to convey the land for the golf course to the MCC related entity and the remainder to HDC. And that is what happened.
So, in short, all this nonsense about Lloyd buying the land outright is and has always been wishful thinking your the part of you and your mentor. His and your claims about how Lloyd and his wife bought this land for themselves are absolutely ridiculous and
yet another example of you you guys twist and manipulate the facts to suit your rhetorical needs! The Faker pdf is full of such examples!
It really shows bad faith on your part (and TEPaul's) for you guys to continue to twist and pretend that this was Lloyd's land to do with what he pleased! Lloyd was merely holding the land for HDC until the boundary was finalized and the golf course land could be transferred to MGA. The entire thing was and is merely the result of a technicality relating to timing of the final determination of the location of the road! Ultimately the land for the golf course was going to MCC and the remainder to HDC! It was never "bought" by Lloyd as you guys keep pretending.
How can anyone take seriously anything you guys claim when you are blatantly misrepresenting what happened in this transaction to suit your argument? Is their anything you guys will NOT misrepresent?
Why in God's name would Francis had to have gone to Lloyd for permission before Lloyd owned any of the land?
That question itself is self-evident of the absurdity and ultimate folly of your position.
"Why in God's name" is another of your tells. It means there that
whatever follows makes no sense and/or has no support so I am overstating it in the hopes people will buy it.
In this case it is self-evident but not for the reasons you claim. Lloyd was the person dealing with HDC throughout 1910.He was structuring the transaction and negotiating the land to be purchased. He is also the one who was dealing with CBM (and the person who a few papers reported had brought Barker in as well.) Lloyd was the go-to guy. Had this happened when you think it did, then Francis should have been peddling to Hugh Wilson's house, not Lloyd's.
You'd really do yourself a favor by simply arguing that CBM had more to do with the course AFTER December than given credit for, which is an arguable position.
However, in your zeal to destroy the reputation of Hugh Wilson, and get back at whatever perceived wrongs happened to you in Philadelphia, you've boxed yourself into a position that is indefensible.
This is a telling statement in more than one way.
1. What you suggest would be tantamount to ignoring, manipulating, and/or misrepresenting the factual record as I understand it for rhetorical gain. No thanks. That is how you and your buddies get yourself all tangled up and I want no part of that.
In other words, unlike you and your pals, I don't look at the facts as merely a means to advocate my preconceived conclusions. I go where the facts take me, and to me the facts indicate that at least a rough routing had already been determined before November of 1910, by some combination of Barker, CBM, HJW, and Lloyd and Francis!
2. There is no question that CBM played a major role of designing Merion East, and no question that it was MY ESSAY which brought this to light. All the insults and manipulation and game playing by you Brauer, TEPaul, Wayne and others aren't going to change this. But in addition, I'd like to understand the details, and what happened in 1910 is one of those details I'd like to work out.
3. Far from attempting to destroy the reputation of Hugh Wilson, my essay treats him respectfully and outright praises him. In fact I was the only one of which I am aware who ever showed enough respect for the man to take him at his word, which is what started this entire process in the first place.
Your insistence of couching this in terms of defending Hugh Wilson says a lot about you, though. A better way to look at this is that in your "zeal" to defend the legend of Wilson at all costs, you have made a fool of yourself and the very club and men you claim to be defending, and inexplicably you continue to do so!
If you are truly concerned with Hugh Wilson's reputation you really ought to take it up with the Flynn Fakers, who have all but cut Wilson out of what he actually accomplished at Merion. It is absolutely atrocious what they have done to Wilson's legacy in their "zeal" to pretend that Flynn should be given credit for all that is good at Merion. What a travesty --they don't mind burying Wilson in their quest to falsely elevate Flynn.