WHITTINGTON HEATH: A New Routing Sorted

[Ben Stephens]

With news of the cancellation of the northern leg of HS2, what does this mean for WH? Was all the redesign and expense a waste or will HS2 still cut through WH as was planned?

Cancelling HS2 from Birmingham to Manchester is a poor decision by UK Government IMO from an economic standpoint.


On the other hand I suspect they will be selling off the land they bought by CPO cheaply to the ire of taxpayers.


The costs spiralled by a number of factors and trying to keep many people/groups happy.


So there could be a possibility that WH will buy the land back and a restoration of the original course be on the books and the new holes converted into a sporting 9 holes?

[Ben Stephens]

Ingestre Park nr Stafford has also just had its course redesigned and rebuilt due to HS2 (Birmingham to Manchester) as well.


https://www.ingestregolf.co.uk/the_new_course

[Sean_A]

With news of the cancellation of the northern leg of HS2, what does this mean for WH? Was all the redesign and expense a waste or will HS2 still cut through WH as was planned?

Cancelling HS2 from Birmingham to Manchester is a poor decision by UK Government IMO from an economic standpoint.


On the other hand I suspect they will be selling off the land they bought by CPO cheaply to the ire of taxpayers.


The costs spiralled by a number of factors and trying to keep many people/groups happy.


So there could be a possibility that WH will buy the land back and a restoration of the original course be on the books and the new holes converted into a sporting 9 holes?

It's possible to a large degree. Although it would be a spare 5 holes.


Ciao

[Robin_Hiseman]

Whittington Heath is within the Phase 1 HS2 works which will be completed. Ingestre Park is not.

[Sean_A]

Whittington Heath is within the Phase 1 HS2 works which will be completed. Ingestre Park is not.

I thought phase 1 will stop in Brum?

Ciao

[Robin_Hiseman]

According to the official route map, Phase 1 rejoins the West Coast mainline just south-east of Rugeley.

[Sean_A]

According to the official route map, Phase 1 rejoins the West Coast mainline just south-east of Rugeley.

I think it will stop at Curzon St Station then use the old line heading north. Strange station to stop. Not directly in the centre of Brum and not that close to the airport.

Ciao

[Robin_Hiseman]

The line into Birmingham is a spur, but they have committed to completing the section to connect with the WCML near Rugeley. A huge amount of engineering work is already underway and their main depot is on the line here near Lichfield. Please check online for yourself. It is all there.

[Ben Voelker]

The line into Birmingham is a spur, but they have committed to completing the section to connect with the WCML near Rugeley. A huge amount of engineering work is already underway and their main depot is on the line here near Lichfield. Please check online for yourself. It is all there.

This is correct.  I worked on HS2 for a year and a half.  Phase 1 goes into Curzon Street, Interchange Station near the airport and Lichfield Trent Valley, which is just north of the bit that cuts through WH.  Which bit is now a spur given the extent of the line is up for debate!


However, Ingestre Park is within the Phase 2 area going to Manchester so presumably will no longer me impacted, unless it's too late.

[Robin_Hiseman]

Ingestre Park has already been completely rebuilt.


https://www.ingestregolf.co.uk/the_new_course

[Ben Stephens]

Ingestre Park has already been completely rebuilt.


https://www.ingestregolf.co.uk/the_new_course

Robin,


I already beat you to it - I put the link up in an earlier thread 

[Ben Stephens]

CDP appointed as new consulting architects for Whittington Heath

https://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/content/whittington-heath-appoints-cdp-as-consulting-architects

[Ally Mcintosh]

Are CDP the new M&E?

[Ben Stephens]

Are CDP the new M&E?

Or will they be competing against each other    for similar jobs/clubs

[Sean_A]

Are CDP the new M&E?

If Addington is any indication of their work I hope the competition continues.

Ciao

[Ally Mcintosh]

Are CDP the new M&E?

If Addington is any indication of their work I hope the competition continues.

Ciao

If you believe that all the classic courses in GB&I are in need of improvement, all well and good. Generally speaking, it is aggressive work generation by both partnerships, enabled by the clubs themselves of course.


(That’s before you get to quality control which would be my main concern when firms overreach the number of renovations they are running simultaneously).


Returning to Whittington Heath, is the brief to fix perceived errors in the course Jonathon Gaunt built just a few years ago? Or has something changed with the high speed rail which means more options have opened up again?

[Sean_A]

Are CDP the new M&E?

If Addington is any indication of their work I hope the competition continues.

Ciao

If you believe that all the classic courses in GB&I are in need of improvement, all well and good. Generally speaking, it is aggressive work generation by both partnerships, enabled by the clubs themselves of course.


(That’s before you get to quality control which would be my main concern when firms overreach the number of renovations they are running simultaneously).


Returning to Whittington Heath, is the brief to fix perceived errors in the course Jonathon Gaunt built just a few years ago? Or has something changed with the high speed rail which means more options have opened up again?

I think Addington was in desperate need of work. The design was buried in trees and terrible presentation. I am very impressed by the recent CDP work. Mind you, the owner is very keen to carry out extensive work and seems willing to pay for it for the time being. I have never seen a renovation project in the UK cone close to what is happening there.

I don’t know what the remit at Whittington is. I looked at the HS2 site a few days ago and the map shows a rail line through the course on the way up to a village north of Lichfield. Doc thinks the line stops south of this point… so I don’t know.

Ciao

[Robin_Hiseman]

Sean


No, the line goes north of Whittington but ends south of Ingestre. It rejoins the west coast mainline north of Lichfield.