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Phil McDade

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #50 on: December 31, 2010, 12:44:56 PM »
Mike:

That was my thought exactly -- I hope the USGA tinkers with the tees on that hole, because it looks like you could easily set it up to entice a gambling (and better yet -- blind!) shot at the green, but one with a tricky up-and-down for the expected birdie. A very good match-play hole, it seems, and one that is balanced by the very tough par 4s the players will encounter at #'s 3 and 4.

Mike Wagner

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #51 on: December 31, 2010, 01:08:48 PM »
Phil,

I think Mike Davis will have a lot of fun tinkering with options out there.  There's SO much he can tinker with - let alone what the wind can do out there.

I think you'll see some really different set-ups....the tee doesn't go way up on 2, but just far enough to get most the field to think about blasting away.  That hole is 100% wind dependent - any hint of a breeze in the face and it will eliminate going for it for most players.  On the flip side, it makes holding the green easier.  Just about every hole can play so dramatically different, but he'll have the most fun with #s 11, 14, 15.

Set up at EH will be great thread material next year indeed.


Phil McDade

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #52 on: December 31, 2010, 02:00:19 PM »
Mike:

I think you're right -- the elasticity of the course seems one of its true strengths. I hope he mixes up some of the par 5s as well, although 14 is a good candidate. The new 7th? Seems to be some trouble 100 yards in on that hole for those going for it in two, especially if you really shave that right-side falloff. ;)

Brett_Morrissy

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #53 on: January 01, 2011, 07:35:16 PM »
Mike, My take on those options:

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 Bandon Dunes #16. Par 4. 363 yards. Balmy 4 club gale. Glossy, Oby, Circles.

At least 3 options from the tee, plus shot types, risk reward without penal, we played down breeze, so much fun banging away toward the green, incredible cliff edge/ravine views, approach shots options galore, bunkering excellent, green interesting enough, but kept low key for the surrounds, loads of fun!
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Excuse this reply, as my brosdband id down and am using iPhone !$?
The hole certainly wasn't playing it's length on my 36, huge tail wind, which of course gives the hole an entirely different feel. I would take a far more conservative approach, and a much less fun one at that, if there were a strong southerly, no breeze or a cross wind - is an Eastly the winter prevailing?

So,
Option 1&2- play a tee shot to 180-220 yard mark either directly at flag to the 'lower ' plateau FW ...or #2 play down the left FW section, probably the most straight forward option, and certainly preferred into the breeze or cross.
Option 1, although, slightly to totally blind approach, (most of gorse removed )has taken nasty little greenside pot bunker out of play, although one is still required to play that shot between that bunker that is left of the green and the cliff edge right and long, but plenty of room short. A back left pin would also be very difficult from this angle and not preferred tee option.

Option 2, allowed for plenty of room out to the left, Small pot bunker greenside the main decider from the tee, as well as the potential dead position behind your approach from this angle, so short or long are no good, misses left or right ok as are pins front, or left, pins centre or back right will be very difficult, particularly down breeze.

Option 3,4,5 are dictated by the wind speed and direction AND intestinal fortitude of the golfer.
200-230 yard club, on a calm day should be able to avoid most of the trouble left, but think it would put you in trouble on a direct line to the green, and leave you with a less than 100 yards to the green.

230-250+ yard club on day like we had, 3-4 club tail wind, easily cleared all trouble, put me about 30 yards short left for a straight forward chip and 2 putt par, put two of my mates thru the green one dead and the other on the 17 tee! ...actually a great place to miss, and chance of birdie!

Driver with any kind of tail breeze and the fast turf will give you chance of driving the green, I am not sure of the carry distance directly at the flag over waste rough gorse area, but would think it in the nature of 270 yards at most.

All the above options appear much more Difficult and plagued with trouble off the tee, just as Dr Mackenzie would like it, because the actual playing of the hole using some knowledge and intellect, the hole is no way as tough as it appears.

First Rd I played smart and finished with a simple par, second round was more fun, blazing away and having a crack at the green, or resulted in a 6, a loss, but a memorable tee shot and a lot of fun - this assisted in making it a memroable hole and certainly one of the best I played in 2010.

Did I mention the 200 foot cliffs, incredible Pacific Ocean, views for miles, the hole squeezed out onto the edge of the cliff with a cutter ravine in front of the tee...just awesome!

Happy New Year!
Brett
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Brett_Morrissy

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #54 on: January 01, 2011, 07:59:02 PM »
Bill ,
I really liked #12 at Ballyneal, a challenging green and a lot of fun, but I had 1,3,4,6,7,8,15,16 ahead of it.
JMO

I cannot believe the number of guys looking for balls on 12 up the dune behind the green! Our host did hit it a long wsy though! ;)
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #55 on: January 02, 2011, 08:05:35 AM »
The 8th at Dismal River.  Chris Johnston can tell you why!

Chris Johnston

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #56 on: January 02, 2011, 08:35:14 AM »
The 8th at Dismal River.  Chris Johnston can tell you why!

Best shot I saw all year.  Short Par 4.  To have a go, feels like one must hit Driver into a thimble.  Slight draw, disappears o=ver a swale...

wait for it.....wait........not yet.......

NOTHING BUT NET!   Net zero that is!
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Eric Smith

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2011, 02:43:37 PM »
Bump

Terry Lavin

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2011, 02:58:44 PM »
Hard to single out just one hole but if forced to choose -- the envelope please ...

drum roll / drum roll ...

and the winner is ...

The 3rd at Old Macdonald !!!

Just a stunning hole -- the blind tee shot is riveting -- makes you wonder where you finish -- the walk over the large mounds is akin to a child awaiting the daylight heading into Xmas day.

The hole turns nicely in the drive zone and the range of options is too numerous to mention them all.

Aggressive play can reap a huge reward but the tee shot must smartly avoid a whole series of penal-style bunkers. The last one on the left side is devilish to the max. Great contoured green and just about any number can be had here with the right / wrong circumstances from eagle to double-bogey. The last element that makes the 3rd so stunning is that it provides for the player(s) the first real glimpse of the rest of the round to follow.

This gets my vote as well.  Just a thrill ride of a hole, from start to finish.  But then again, you could say the same thing about the entire golf course!
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Sean_A

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2011, 08:35:49 PM »
I scratched around for a while tossing out holes and rejecting them.  Then I remembered my game at Aberdovey; a handsome and forgiving links on the Welsh coast.  One would be correct in surmising my thoughts were cast toward Cader, the infamous par 3 third.  However, it is Cader's near neighbour on this sliver of the figure eight routing which is compelling.  Considering the age long reputation of Cader the 16th is gentlemanly modest for so far as I can figure it has no name.  No matter, for all who stand on the tee instinctively know that this hole is far mightier than its yardage may suggest.  One great wallop can see the golfer putting for eagle, but more bogeys and doubles are recorded than 3s and 4s.  Down the left for entire length of the hole are railway tracks which curve in an arc toward the inland mountains.  The straight shot to the green must cross over the rails and yet hold a steady line for the green emerges from the very same dune which blinds the golfer on Cader.  The green falls away sharply toward the tracks in such a manner as to bring the protective fence dangerously into play.  A safe shot to the right enters a no man's land of rough country and may even find itself on Cader green!  Yes, it is prudent to float a fairway wood from the tee and trust to a pitch and a putt, but most do not posess the temperment to do so.   







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Padraig Dooley

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #60 on: January 03, 2011, 08:53:24 PM »



Favourite of 2010 and 09 and ...

Left beach this time.
There are painters who transform the sun to a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence, transform a yellow spot into the sun.
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Brett_Morrissy

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #61 on: January 03, 2011, 09:03:30 PM »
Sean,
An awesome looking hole - is there a prevailing breeze that brings that railway track more into play?

It looks very F&F...are the photos representative of the rest of the layout? Might have to add it too 'the list'!

Brian,

Can you add something about that 'ridge' at Carne please? It looks like it was an old stone wall covered in sand, and also reminds me of North Berwick walls?

Bm
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Scott Warren

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #62 on: January 04, 2011, 04:45:38 AM »
Like Sean, this has torn at me since the thread started.

And the winner is...

17 @ Royal Dornoch


Why? It brings together so many of the features I love - undulating ground, blindness, genuine decisions to be made on each shot, fantastic recovery options at the green, different good places to miss depending where the pin is cut... as well as being in a windy locale to ensure every day brings a unique challenge and it's as beautiful as golf holes get. What more could you want?!

Runners-up that it was hard to go past:
12 @ Fishers Island - for the super fun approach shot and wild green shapes.
10 @ Riv - so much golf in just 300yds.
8 @ Pine Valley - so frustratingly tough for a hole of its length, demanding precision.
8 @ The Ren Club - what a green!
12 @ Swinley Forest - the perfect par 4.5.
16 @ Deal - the best approach shot in golf *





* NB for Matt Ward: I have not played every golf hole in the world ;)
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Jud_T

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #63 on: January 04, 2011, 07:42:36 AM »
Scott,

You're my hero....
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

James Boon

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #64 on: January 04, 2011, 08:39:40 AM »
This is bordering on the impossible but here goes...

Pennard GC
7th Hole

Shortish par 4 just over 300 yards

The drive is between the ruins of an old church and the ruins of the old castle, to a rumpled fairway with plenty of humps and hollows plus if you want to get close to the green a small pot bunker comes into the wreckoning. The green itself is blind and has a small shelf on the left then all falls away back right. The view on first the tee and then on the green is just beautiful, and the beach and cliffs make a great backdrop even if hey are someway off.


Played it twice during Buda so the company certainly helped my feelings for the hole, and into the teeth of a wind so it played quite long as well. But there were plenty of others to love this year so honourable mentions to:

5th @ Royal Worlington & Newmarket, bunkerless short par 3 with a wicked green
9th @ Royal Porthcawl, medium length par 4 which made simple but effective use of the land
14th @ Royal Dornoch, "Foxy" may be the obvious choice unlike Scott's 17th  ;D but I can't help it!
14th @ Deal, a long par 3 which is not as good a hole as some of the others but I did birdie it 3 times this year  ::)

But I suspect as with all lists I may say something else tomorrow?

Cheers,

James
2023 Highlights: Hollinwell, Brora, Parkstone, Cavendish, Hallamshire, Sandmoor, Moortown, Elie, Crail, St Andrews (Himalayas & Eden), Chantilly, M, Hardelot Les Pins

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JNC Lyon

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #65 on: January 04, 2011, 04:35:24 PM »
Like Sean, this has torn at me since the thread started.

And the winner is...

17 @ Royal Dornoch


Why? It brings together so many of the features I love - undulating ground, blindness, genuine decisions to be made on each shot, fantastic recovery options at the green, different good places to miss depending where the pin is cut... as well as being in a windy locale to ensure every day brings a unique challenge and it's as beautiful as golf holes get. What more could you want?!

Runners-up that it was hard to go past:
12 @ Fishers Island - for the super fun approach shot and wild green shapes.
10 @ Riv - so much golf in just 300yds.
8 @ Pine Valley - so frustratingly tough for a hole of its length, demanding precision.
8 @ The Ren Club - what a green!
12 @ Swinley Forest - the perfect par 4.5.
16 @ Deal - the best approach shot in golf *





* NB for Matt Ward: I have not played every golf hole in the world ;)

Scott,

I thought I was crazy to pick 17 as my personal favorite hole at Royal Dornoch.  However, the hole is a universal favorite in the Lyon household.  I suppose the hole does not have too many tee-to-green options in the traditional sense.  However, the hole has tons of quirk and a brilliant green-site that, as you said, provides a wide variety of recovery shots for those that miss the green.  The topography of the land also makes it play much shorter than the yardage, meaning the uphill approach is manageable for everyone.

Although 17 was not my favorite hole of the year, it is definitely one of the standout holes at Dornoch.
"That's why Oscar can't see that!" - Philip E. "Timmy" Thomas

JNC Lyon

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #66 on: January 04, 2011, 04:47:20 PM »
For my own pick, I wish I had some good photos to accent my description.  Alas, my writing will have to do.  My favorite hole of the year was the 15th at Prestwick.

I love short par fours, and the 15th, known as "Narrows" fits into that category at 350 yards.  It is the beginning of a great finishing stretch that makes its way through some rugged links terrain.  The tee shot at 15 is filled with uncertainty.  All the golfer can see is a green ribbon of fairway winding through gorse bushes and then disappearing over the horizon.  After playing the hole, you realize that the fairway dives over a sizable and twists and turns unpredictably through a valley.  The golfer actually has to play left of the line that seems apparent from the tee to find the fairway.  A successful drive to the tight fairway leaves a thrilling uphill approach.  The golfer can see the flag, but he has no view of the putting surface.  The fairway climbs up and up from the landing area until reaching a peak.  Immediately after the peak, the fairway ends and the green begins, meaning the golfer faces a blind uphill approach to a green sloping front to back.  As with the best green complexes, neither aerial nor ground routes offer a clear advantage as the best method of attack.

The green complex itself is brilliant and is the first part of a trilogy of wild green-sites found at 15, 16, and 17.  While the dominant slope of the green is front-to-back, there are all sorts of backboards, ripples, and indy turns that give the player many ways to get the ball close on either an approach or a recovery shot.  Both times around this hole I spent 10-15 minutes on this green trying different short game shots with an 8-iron, sand wedge, and putter.  Endless variety is one term that could be used to describe the challenge and fun of the green at "Narrows."

The 15th at Prestwick has it all: strategy, quirk, blind shots and a wild green.  It was part of a great course and superb golfing experience.  "Narrows" is my golf hole of the year.
"That's why Oscar can't see that!" - Philip E. "Timmy" Thomas

Mac Plumart

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #67 on: January 04, 2011, 04:49:45 PM »
16th at St. Marlo

216 yard par 3.  I aced that mo-fo!!

A good hole/course for me is all about what I shoot...who cares about architecture.  It is all about me!   ;)
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #68 on: January 04, 2011, 06:03:20 PM »
For my own pick, I wish I had some good photos to accent my description.  Alas, my writing will have to do.  My favorite hole of the year was the 15th at Prestwick.

I love short par fours, and the 15th, known as "Narrows" fits into that category at 350 yards.  It is the beginning of a great finishing stretch that makes its way through some rugged links terrain.  The tee shot at 15 is filled with uncertainty.  All the golfer can see is a green ribbon of fairway winding through gorse bushes and then disappearing over the horizon.  After playing the hole, you realize that the fairway dives over a sizable and twists and turns unpredictably through a valley.  The golfer actually has to play left of the line that seems apparent from the tee to find the fairway.  A successful drive to the tight fairway leaves a thrilling uphill approach.  The golfer can see the flag, but he has no view of the putting surface.  The fairway climbs up and up from the landing area until reaching a peak.  Immediately after the peak, the fairway ends and the green begins, meaning the golfer faces a blind uphill approach to a green sloping front to back.  As with the best green complexes, neither aerial nor ground routes offer a clear advantage as the best method of attack.

The green complex itself is brilliant and is the first part of a trilogy of wild green-sites found at 15, 16, and 17.  While the dominant slope of the green is front-to-back, there are all sorts of backboards, ripples, and indy turns that give the player many ways to get the ball close on either an approach or a recovery shot.  Both times around this hole I spent 10-15 minutes on this green trying different short game shots with an 8-iron, sand wedge, and putter.  Endless variety is one term that could be used to describe the challenge and fun of the green at "Narrows."

The 15th at Prestwick has it all: strategy, quirk, blind shots and a wild green.  It was part of a great course and superb golfing experience.  "Narrows" is my golf hole of the year.

Might just be my favourite too. Was only after I came off the course I realised I was soaked to the skin. What fun.
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Tim Martin

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #69 on: January 04, 2011, 07:40:59 PM »
18 at Newport CC-434 yard par 4 finisher provides a tee shot from far above the fairway to a hole that meanders slightly left and then uphill for the second with a heavily bunkered green that slopes back to front. There is room to bounce the second into the green so there are options.The majestic clubhouse perched high on the hill provides the perfect backdrop.

Brian_Sleeman

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #70 on: January 04, 2011, 08:34:04 PM »
To answer a question on the 17th at Crystal Downs, a shot of about 180 yards will get you to the front of the plateau, about 130 yards to the green.  It's relatively flat there but the green is still slightly uphill - the only time it isn't is when you're on the tee or hacking it out of the tall stuff from the large hill on the right.  That 180-200 yard shot is the safest route, but remember it's often into the strongest wind you'll face all day, which complicates things even further.  It's a blast.

Jim Franklin

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #71 on: January 05, 2011, 09:35:08 AM »
No pictures, but my favorite hole was #7 (Ocean) at Old Macdonald.
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Kevin Pallier

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #72 on: January 05, 2011, 06:21:47 PM »
I've always liked this hole - 18th at Bonville GC

Par 5 (4.5*) dogleg left. Drive is uphill to a plateau and if one hits it far enough they can catch a downslope to around where the attached pic. is taken.

If one achieves the later they have a shorter second shot - but off a downhill lie - to a 3 tiered green.

A large variety of scores can be had.


Photo taken from BGC website
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Scott Warren

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2011, 06:28:53 PM »
I agree, Kevin. A great hole.

jonathan_becker

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Re: 2010: My favorite golf hole I played and why...
« Reply #74 on: January 05, 2011, 08:17:57 PM »
Flynn's 385 yard 17th at TCCPP was one of my favorite holes from 2010.   As far as using ground slopes in the design of the hole, Flynn excelled tremendously.  

From the tee, a diagonal carry over the ridge (a mini OM #3?  :)) leads to a ton of gound movement from right to left that needs to be judged for the approach shot.




Being aggressive and slinging a hard hook will give you a flatter lie, but green visibilty starts to diminish.  Also, a smoked tee shot needs to make sure it doesn't get down to the bunkers either.  Playing out to the right will give you a better look, but you have to manage the ball above your feet.  Choices, right?

Another aspect of the hole is that not only does the fw slope from right to left, but the green does as well.  Controlling the spin on the approach is top priority.



(Sorry, Brett.  I need 3 photos!)  Looking back down the hole shows the great movement.



Honorable mentions:
5 at Merion
17 at Philly CC
All of Old Mac!
6 at The Golf Club

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