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Jamie Barber

Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« on: December 13, 2010, 11:06:59 AM »
This was posted on another forum. A sad sign of the times. A course I hope to see someday.

http://www.islaygolfclub.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=334:machrie-administration-news&catid=1:latest-news

Kris Shreiner

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2010, 12:40:37 PM »
Isolation can make for a harsh economic environment. Certainly, a course I've a strong desire to play one day. Just need to get there.

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Jason Elwell

Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2010, 03:16:41 PM »
Has anyone been here before? Seems like a really fun course. I have always wanted to visit Islay.

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 04:20:53 PM »
Jason,

I played Machrie some years ago in the depths of winter. The course is great with lots of movement from tee to green and the condition was good despite the time of year. I stayed at the pub/inn next to the course and apart from the staff I didn't see anybody else in the two days I was there.

I looked at a couple of pieces of land on Islay one of which was a fabulous piece of duneland. It is however very remote and has a tourist season of about 3 months. It is not suprising that the club is struggling due to its location.

Jon

Jud_T

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 04:28:58 PM »
How is this much different than Askernish?
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Jason Elwell

Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 04:46:36 PM »
Thanks Jon. Very interesting. What about Port Ellen? I guess it's very hard for me to envision these places never having been to Scotland. I love my home course, but it would be amazing to walk out the back door to that course!

Steve Salmen

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 04:50:50 PM »
Jud,

I think there are differences between Machrie and Askernish.  Askernish is very new and Machrie is established.  For me, it is easier to get to Machrie than Askernish because the ferry is fairly close to Machrihanish.  I don't think there is much golf near the ferries to Uist.  You can, of course fly to each.  I think Islay is more economically prosperous than South Uist because of the distileries.

However, there is just something about Askernish and the will and spirit of the locals that will make it an unforgettable experience.  I could happily play the last round of my life at Askernish.   After 36 at both courses, I clearly remember all 18 holes at Askernish and roughly half at the Machrie.

That being said, if you go to either venue, please take your time and don't rush in and out to play the next course.  These are beautiful places where you can have a good meal and plenty of good drink.

jeffwarne

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 05:00:15 PM »
Jud,

I think there are differences between Machrie and Askernish.  Askernish is very new and Machrie is established.  For me, it is easier to get to Machrie than Askernish because the ferry is fairly close to Machrihanish.  I don't think there is much golf near the ferries to Uist.  You can, of course fly to each.  I think Islay is more economically prosperous than South Uist because of the distileries.

However, there is just something about Askernish and the will and spirit of the locals that will make it an unforgettable experience.  I could happily play the last round of my life at Askernish.   After 36 at both courses, I clearly remember all 18 holes at Askernish and roughly half at the Machrie.

That being said, if you go to either venue, please take your time and don't rush in and out to play the next course.  These are beautiful places where you can have a good meal and plenty of good drink.

I'd have to say that for a flyer from Glasgow, Askernish is a direct competitor to The Machrie.
Gotta wonder if the incremental rounds that went to Askernish hurt The machrie.
Certainly The Machrie is easier to get to, but how many rounds do people play once there with two courses at Machrihanish as well now.

I really liked the layout at The Machrie, but the fairways were really narrow and the rough super inpenetrable.
An extra gang mower pass on either side would make the course way more fun.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2010, 05:25:39 PM by jeffwarne »
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David_Tepper

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2010, 05:13:45 PM »
I guess the Machrie Hotel and the golf course/golf club are pretty much joined at the hip, but it sounds like it was the operation of the hotel that was failing financially, not necessarily the operation of the golf course/club.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2010, 05:30:07 PM »
We are talking about courses that in real terms are more related to the 19th Century game of golf that the 21st Century. Yet they still represent the best experience in golf today.

Those who have seldom played a Links course, let alone one from the old country, should make an effort to play these two and for good measure Machrihanish if time and money allows. Do so while ages is till on your side then post your experience on this site

I feel you will forgive me for pushing Askernish these last few years and may even start openly supporting me in reducing carts and the permanent removable of distance aids.

Most of all for that special pleasure one gets from reaching out and testing yourself against Nature in her full glory. Knowing the satisfaction of facing the challenges head-on, totally unaided, tell me your own spirit is not up there flying with the Angels.

Give me a Links course with its roots set firmly in the 19th Century and you may start to understand our feelings towards the game of golf.

Machrie is just too good to disappear

Melvyn

James Boon

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2010, 06:03:02 PM »
Jamie,

Thanks for posting this. I'm in the early stages of planning a holiday that was going to include the Machrie (golf and poss hotel) so if anyone hears anymore I'd appreciate you letting me know.

Cheers,

James
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Kris Shreiner

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2010, 07:15:13 PM »
Scotland again is slow to the draw on their marketing. The West is rugged, beautiful and farflung. It needs to be better promoted as a region. The economic downtown always hurts the more remote, lesser destinations first. A few good things have been done in fits and starts, nothing sustained.

The fact no top-tier track exists in that line-up hurts it's chances for a first-timer visit. It is the repeat links pilgrim that is likely to make the trek to golf this area. How can those numbers be boosted to consistent levels, to supplement the other types of tourists visiting that area, is the question?  A catchy name, Scotland's Ferry Links Tour or Morrow's Primeval Western Links Medley ;D...something along those lines...should fit the bill for a start.

It's an awesome part of the world if you're into wild, raw links golf and nature unfettered by man's uglier contributions. I hope Machrie gets the proper capital infusion and talent to make it sustainable. This certainly isn't the first time the place has gotten into a financial pickle. It's damn tough in remote areas without large populations with the means to support it somewhat nearby.

Cheers 8)
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Jud_T

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2010, 07:23:53 PM »
Steve,

Thanx.  My question was more to do with the relative business enterprises.  As golfing destinations they both seem quite worthwhile...
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2010, 11:34:32 PM »
Machrie is one of those courses that we as GCA junkies would love to own.

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2010, 12:13:09 AM »
Whats REALLY changed here, to cause this ?

Its always been isolated, so ...... ?

Has it survived all these years on locals that are now giving up the game, or are the tourists suddenly going elsewhere, or ?

« Last Edit: December 14, 2010, 02:30:06 AM by Brian_Ewen »

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2010, 01:24:50 AM »
I bet the issue is the hotels costs rather than the golf courses.
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2010, 03:30:56 AM »
I'm sure it is the hotel's costs that are driving this. Read the announcement; note that Simon Freeman, the greenkeeper, is one of the people not being made redundant.
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James Boon

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2010, 03:45:38 AM »
I have to admit that the hotel costs are the one reason I haven't booked anything there yet for next year. If it was cheaper I'm sure I would have done by now  ::)

Cheers,

James
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Kris Shreiner

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2010, 06:56:11 PM »
Certainly the course will remain for now. Scotland generally doesn't open and close them like shutters, as we often end up doing in the states. The hotel is hurting for sure, how couldn't it be? Again, better marketing of the region will help and that operations end and hotel conditions probably need an overhaul as well.
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Tom Dunne

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2010, 08:11:59 PM »
Kris,

Interesting points regarding marketing. Actually, earlier this year Visit Scotland ran a promotion on Twitter where they were giving away foursomes at courses throughout the country. All you had to do was drop them your email address to be entered. Coincidence: I actually won a free foursome at The Machrie. Never mind that I knew at the time a trip to Scotland was just 99% not in the cards for me in 2010, but I did enter. Maybe somewhere in the back of my mind I was thinking I'd try to make something happen if I'd won the same prize at TOC. After I "won" I received an email with a few of the rules and regs (there weren't many), and informed that I could contact the club. I didn't do this, and after that sole email there was no follow-up.

Since then I've wondered what kind of "spend" was ultimately driven by that promotion. This would be something that could be measured pretty easily. Was I the only one offered a free round at The Machrie? What kind of calculations would need to be made to get a group out there on that golf course (and paying for the hotel and everything else, of course)? Would it take naming 20 people "winners" to achieve one booking, versus 3-5 at TOC/Carnoustie/Turnberry? (I should also add that I don't think it was ever stated if the big "trophy" courses were even involved with this promotion--it's possible it was designed to promote places like Machrie.)

Anyway, my point is that there are efforts being made, I'm just wondering along with you about their impact. I do think in this recession, though, that even among the groups still booking extended trips to Scotland, many might elect to save a few bucks and cut that extra day or two off the trip that in the past may have gone to visiting a remote outpost like Machrie. Either way, it's good to hear the golf course is still trying to weather the storm.

Niall C

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2010, 02:14:36 PM »
In the recent past the hotel owned the course and I don't think that has changed. At that time (15 years ago ?) it was owned by the senior partner in a national firm of chartered surveyors but not sure who has it now. I suspect that the course will survive in some shape or form for the simple reason that there really isn't much else economically viable to do with the land, apart from grazing which might happen already for all I know.

With regards to golf tourism in Scotland, I hope Simon Holt chips in here as he has a few choice stories that should make the Visit Scotland people hang their heads in shame.

Niall

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2010, 04:54:39 PM »
Ultimately a liquidator (or whatever they call them in Scotland) will have to realise the most he can from the assets of the company for distribution to the creditors. I can only assume that someone will pay more for a fully functioning golf course than a local farmer would pay for a few more acres to graze his sheep on.

Shares in a Hebridean golf course, anyone?

 ;D

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2010, 05:50:06 PM »
Just reading the comments at "Trip Advisor" would keep me away from the hotel.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2010, 06:17:11 PM »
Just reading the comments at "Trip Advisor" would keep me away from the hotel.

Jim,
When I was there in 2009 the water coming out of my shower and sink was the exact color of Guinness.
I'm pretty low maintenance, but I did get a bottle of water to brush my teeth (to get the real Guinness out ;D)
the bar was enjoyable and the golf was great so i'd go back in an instant-and I'd go back if the bar was gone too.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Machrie (Islay) goes into administration
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2010, 06:25:30 PM »
Wow,

I stayed there in the late 80's and even then the hotel needed some renovation work. I did have a great few days though. When travelling in Scotland I always stay in a guest house or B&B as you get what the star rating says. Hotels are very hit and miss. Some are great value but many are expensive and dire.

Jon