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Chris Johnston

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Scott -

one word...AWESOME!  Keep the pics coming.  Love the greens and bunkering - what grasses are they using? 

I can't wait to see the finished product!


Scott Warren

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Chris,

The pics don't do justice to the land, but it's pretty exciting progress.

The greens will be bent, fairways and rough couch/bermuda and bit of fescue in the rough as well, along with large areas of indigenous heath plants and the East Coast Banksia Scrub --  a protected habitat that is native to the site.

Kevin Pallier

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Scott

Time for a game ?

John Mayhugh

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Scott,
You must be feeling pretty good about all this progress! Thanks for the updates.

Looking forward to seeing it in a few years.

Brett_Morrissy

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Scott,
maybe a little Aussie GCA event at the Doon when works are completed (throw in a Lakes round as well)?
:)
@theflatsticker

Scott Warren

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John: Feeling great about it, but of course the next step is a strong desire (and this is something I'm also hearing from pretty much everyone I've discussed the renos with at the club) for stages 2 and 3 to progress swiftly so we have a complete, cohesive renovated golf course as soon as possible.

Brett: Sounds like a plan. I'm happy to host any time.

Brett_Morrissy

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happy to discover I have reciprocal rights at the Bonnie D...
@theflatsticker

Scott Warren

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Ahh, of course you do, given we have them at 13th Beach... Happy days, you can help host this GCA extravaganza!

Colin Macqueen

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Hmmm..... I have reciprocal rights at The Lakes (and Newcastle by gad!).  Keep me in the loop please if this eventuates.

Cheers Colin
"Golf, thou art a gentle sprite, I owe thee much"
The Hielander

Ben Jarvis

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Gents, happy to be involved also.

Scott, I was speaking with your General Manager, Nick Bowles, last week - he seems very excited about the progress also.

There must be a real buzz around the Club, where it is clearly evident some great work is being done.
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Scott Warren

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Ben,

Nick and the committee have more right to be excited than anyone.

Selling a full renovation to a membership who've experienced regular disruptions to the course over the past decade or so when another architect was involved with the club -- much less a renovation that involved reducing the course to 15 holes for a year -- was surely no mean feat, but Nick and the committee managed just that and what's most impressive is how well they communicate the reason why these changes are good for the club and for all members. I know a few doubters who've admitted the management and board's championing of the changes and ability to communicate that won them over.

And all the credit in the world to Nick and the committee for choosing the firm they chose.

It's abundantly clear that we are going to have a SIGNIFICANTLY better golf course once these changes are complete and that will help the club in every way -- memberships, visitor green fees, corporate golf, more lessons on a world-class practice facility... It's a winner every way you look at it.

The club still doesn't know (or isn't letting on...) just how quickly the next stage will proceed. I hope it is immediate and not just a trickle of a couple of holes a year. So far so good, so there is reason to be confident. The Masterplan lists it as:

Stage 1
Holes 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 18 and practice facilities. (8 holes if you include the range as one hole)

Stage 2
Holes 2, 7, 8, 17 and the spare hole. (5 holes)

Stage 3
Holes 10-16. (7 holes)

The first stage involved bulk earthworks that won't be required for stages 2 and 3 and is taking 11 months (completion March 31, 2012), so perhaps that gives some idea of how fast stages 2 and 3 might progress in an ideal world.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2011, 06:37:42 AM by Scott Warren »

Scott Warren

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So we are almost three months further down the track and three months closer to playing the new holes.

Shaping is as good as complete and most of the holes have been planted/seeded. Heath plants and whatnot still to go, but it's starting to look a bit like a golf course!

A fair bit of each hole has changed in the field, which is fantastic. All of them have undoubtedly changed for the better and become far more interesting for the combined input and discussion between Mike, Mike and Ashley.

The 1st hole has taken shape (some talk of nines swapping, or maybe a slight ordering change, but until that's decided, announced, I'll stick with hole numbers as used so far) and is looking like a great start to the round, a long par four with enough room for lesser golfers to get away but a definite A-line down the right, over bunkers and heath that will both allow the drive to run closer to the green and provide a preferred angle to the green.

This picture is from the tee and you can see there is a little bowl just off the tee that will be largely heath, then the fairway runs past that, with a diagonal edge to the landform and the fairway drops down into a low area in a further bowl to ensure lesser players' weak cuts aren't savaged. For the better players there is another ridge to be carried just past there, and having carried that the fairway slopes downhill and will give some good run to within mid iron range. By playing left, a gradual slope will keep the ball in play, but will also take pace off the ball and make for a longer approach from the side of the green defended by two bunkers.


The approach shot to 1. You can sort of make out the bunker shapes on the left and another at the back of the green. In keeping with this being a tougher tee-to-green hole, the putting surface is on the sedate side.


1st green from short right.


Approaching the 18th (formerly the 8th on the old course) -- This was always a lesser hole on the course and the plan for this hole was also a bit sedate. But in the field it has developed into something really interesting. It plays at about 410m, so 450 yards - from a high tee. The below picture is from the driving zone, and you can see the outline of a fairway bunker in the immediate foreground, guarding the left-hand side. About 250m to reach it from the back tee. On the right, about 25-35m short of the front of the green is a dune with a bunker cut into it that foreshortens the view from the right. The flag will be visible, but the green will be blind. A great little feature that also comes into play for shorter hitters as something in the landing zone of the second shot. Into the prevailing summer wind, many will be going at the green with a hybrid, long iron or even a wood, so for many, it will be something they're trying to carry and then run out to the green. In short, a really cool feature that will come into play a lot of different ways. The green is bunkerless but has great internal and external shapes that will mean you need to plan your miss according to the pin position.


The 9th (old 4th played in reverse). Looking to the green and from 150 or so is the first time you get a really good look at the green. It's a short par five and for many a good drive will leave 200m to the green, at least slightly blind and the green sits up above both flanks, meaning even a 3i to the green has to be pinpoint. A bit more work to go here than on the others.


The previous page has some other grow-in/shaped pics of 3-6.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2011, 03:27:07 AM by Scott Warren »

Mark_F

Thanks, Scott.

It looks excellent.  I can't wait to come up to Sodom's playground and have a hit with you.  :)

Leo Barber

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Scott/Oglivy Clayton Design

Looks like a really fine rootzone, beautiful for golf but suspect tough for seed establishment. How are they achieving that? Amendments? If so what - chicken manure?  Assume hydroseeding?  What grass varieties have you opted for?

Cheers

Leo

Mike_Cocking

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Hi Leo,

Yes its a good growing medium - the top (grey) layer is reasonably similar to the sand belt down here although deeper down it turns into a yellow, finer sand almost like you would see on the beach.  Its raw and shifts easily so its pointless trying to create lips on bunker edges until some grass is established.

Amendments are just foul manure.  Fairways wintergreen (sprigged with a little turfing around greens and on tees) and the greens are Mackenzie bent.  There are a few places using this including NSW so it will be interesting to see how it looks long term.




The area in question saw the most significant changes with a large amount of trees removed and 40,000m3 of cut (this capped the reclaimed ground at the bottom of the course).  No one could predict how the holes would look after undertaking such major work so inevitably changes are required....mind you even when you can get a good idea of what it may look like a change or two is still necessary to yield the best result!


A few examples...

1st
The 1st was going to be a straight away tee shot with diagonal bunkers short of the green.  Once cleared and bulk shaping started the tee looked far better about 30m to the right which then created a diagonal line over one of the major areas of cut.  Suddenly it seemed like it would work best as a diagonal hazard off the tee with bunkers cut into the created ridge.  Its a difficult hole and at the green end bunkers were added behind the green to help take the ground down quickly (and look natural) so the green could be as large as possible and relatively flat.  If we put more bunkers in front it would have just looked way over done - especially from the tee.  Plus the hole seemed hard enough so we scrapped the diagonal line short of the green.


18th
We'd assumed at the 18th that after the major cut, players would get a good view of the green from the fairway....unfortunately though you couldn't and with trees kept either side any further cutting through the fairway would look really odd - like you're playing through a big V.  Blind green side bunkers on a 400m+ hole didn't seem like a great idea (as were originally on our concept), but then we played around with the idea of a short hazard.  The highest point on the approach was about 40m short of the green (before it starts going downhill to the green site) so here was an opportunity to perhaps create something short which at least the short hitters could see and take measures to avoid, but for good players it would foreshorten the distance to a green not unlike the 5th at Yarra Yarra or the 5th at Portsea.  The subtlety of no fairway bunkers was a nice feature but after hitting some shots it perhaps seemed too easy so we added the fairway bunker to the left on the morning we were ready to grass.  A last minute tinker but a good one.


Mike.

Andrew Summerell

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Thanks for the photos, Scott. It's looking quite exciting. I love the diagonal off the 1st tee.

Scott Warren

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Andrew,

You won't believe your eyes when you see it. It doesn't even seem like the same property up around that end of the old 1st, 4th and 8th holes.

Kevin Pallier

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Scott

Cheers - I look forward to the before's and after's when the first seven are up and in play.

Scott Warren

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Another update video on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEFxt624oFM

Scott Warren

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A few new pics of the new 6th hole:

(not the best quality because I had to use my phone)

From the tee. You're looking at about a 7-9 iron depending on the wind. The two most common winds are pretty much straight across from the left (summer) and into and from about 60 degrees (so just hurting, mostly across) from the right in winter. The sandy area in the foreground will become heath, the more formal looking areas left of the green will be bunkers:


From about 30m short on the right -- good view of the back left bowl that will make a great "Sunday pin position":


From the immediate front left of the green. Great backstop for a front left pin, but when playing back to it from the top of the green there is a more sedate slope in the centre of the green, and the ball can then work its way right off a little knob in the front middle of the green:
« Last Edit: January 18, 2012, 06:10:18 AM by Scott Warren »

Brett_Morrissy

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very exciting Scott! And great videos by the GM (?)
Really professional, should be great for the entire membership, also fortunate to have Reciprocals, so look forward to a hit later this year?
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Scott Warren

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The videos are done by Russ, our marketing guy.

Any time after March 31 it will be open for play and I'd love to show any interested parties around.

Greg Thomsen

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Hey Scott,

Its really coming along out there. I looks like there will be some slippery putts on 6 green, pretty cool.

Cheers, Greg

PCCraig

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I'm late to this thread, but in going back and reading I have to say the work looks to be very impressive. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's effectively a overhaul of the existing design? Also, a question about the tree removal, how much play does the course get and how much room is there between holes?
H.P.S.

Mike_Clayton

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P Craig,

It is an existing course but this is a compete rebuild. The hole pictured and the previous one  (the par 5,5th hole) are on land the club had not previously used and it gave them a chance to spread out a little. The course is divided by a road with 6 holes (planned to be cut to 5 which is a big plus) across the road.
These new holes have allowed us to move the current 9th and 10th holes away from the boundary which also helps both with the feel of the course and the boundary problems.
The holes are quite close together but not uncomfortably so and the fairways are wide enough - generally 40 yards plus.
The whole course is built on meters of sand but it had lost a place in the top 100 in Australia which was staggering given how good the land was and it was the push the club needed to commit to such a significant redesign.