high praise from Whitten re Castle Stuart

[PThomas]

just read this statement from him:" Castle Stuart might be the most perfectly conceived and executed design ever built".

um, thats pretty high praise...is this true for those of you who have been there?  is it even close to the truth??

[John Kavanaugh]

Paul,

Why would Whitten lie?  This whole Golfweek guys bashing Whitten thing is getting older than me bashing raters.

[David_Tepper]

Paul -

There have been multiple threads on CS here over the past few weeks and the past 12 months.

Here is one: http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,46544.0/

[PThomas]

Paul,

Why would Whitten lie?  This whole Golfweek guys bashing Whitten thing is getting older than me bashing raters.

nothing is as old as you bashing raters

and i didnt call him a liar

[Bill_McBride]

Paul,

Why would Whitten lie?  This whole Golfweek guys bashing Whitten thing is getting older than me bashing raters.

nothing is as old as you bashing raters

and i didnt call him a liar

But you did say "is it even close to the truth??" which implies it might not be the truth......,i.e. a lie.  I haven't been to Castle Stuart but there are certainly mixed opinions, much like that other Castle course at st Andrews.

[David_Tepper]

Paul -

Somehow my response to your initial post created a thread of its own. My fault!

I did reference Ron Whitten's  comments on the linked thread above, but I don't think there was much response specifically to his comments on CS.

DT

[John Kavanaugh]

For those who think the only thing Ron Whitten has done in his career is hype Gillette Ridge please take the time to read this article concerning his induction into the Kansas Golf Hall of Fame:  http://www.kansasgolf.org/index.php?page=718

[PCCraig]

Paul:

I did see Ron W's comment and what stuck me as interesting is that he called it the best course of the new millenium. Didn't Pac Dunes open in 2001? What about Old MacDonald?  

Those are just two similar stlye courses that are highly praised that I was surprised to see Ron say that CS was better.

[PThomas]

Paul,

Why would Whitten lie?  This whole Golfweek guys bashing Whitten thing is getting older than me bashing raters.

nothing is as old as you bashing raters

and i didnt call him a liar

But you did say "is it even close to the truth??" which implies it might not be the truth......,i.e. a lie.  I haven't been to Castle Stuart but there are certainly mixed opinions, much like that other Castle course at st Andrews.

all just opinions Bill so no one can be lying

I just found Ron's statement quite surprising

[Bill_McBride]

Paul,

Why would Whitten lie?  This whole Golfweek guys bashing Whitten thing is getting older than me bashing raters.

nothing is as old as you bashing raters

and i didnt call him a liar

But you did say "is it even close to the truth??" which implies it might not be the truth......,i.e. a lie.  I haven't been to Castle Stuart but there are certainly mixed opinions, much like that other Castle course at st Andrews.

all just opinions Bill so no one can be lying

I just found Ron's statement quite surprising

You just have to choose your words carefully or somebody will be on you like a cheap suit!

[PThomas]

Paul,

Why would Whitten lie?  This whole Golfweek guys bashing Whitten thing is getting older than me bashing raters.

nothing is as old as you bashing raters

and i didnt call him a liar

But you did say "is it even close to the truth??" which implies it might not be the truth......,i.e. a lie.  I haven't been to Castle Stuart but there are certainly mixed opinions, much like that other Castle course at st Andrews.

all just opinions Bill so no one can be lying

I just found Ron's statement quite surprising

You just have to choose your words carefully or somebody will be on you like a cheap suit!

you are right about that!

[John Kavanaugh]

Paul:

I did see Ron W's comment and what stuck me as interesting is that he called it the best course of the new millenium. Didn't Pac Dunes open in 2001? What about Old MacDonald?  

Those are just two similar stlye courses that are highly praised that I was surprised to see Ron say that CS was better.

It's always nice to have Thing 2 follow in on the heels of Thing 1, or is it the other way around.  I can not find where Mr. Whitten said that Castle Stuart is better than Pacific Dunes or Old MacDonald?

Just do me one favor in the future, don't call Mr. Whitten Ron and then call Brad Dr. Klein in the same forum.

btw...Where does it say that Castle Stuart is the best course of the new millenium?

[PThomas]

Paul:

I did see Ron W's comment and what stuck me as interesting is that he called it the best course of the new millenium. Didn't Pac Dunes open in 2001? What about Old MacDonald?  

Those are just two similar stlye courses that are highly praised that I was surprised to see Ron say that CS was better.

It's always nice to have Thing 2 follow in on the heels of Thing 1, or is it the other way around.  I can not find where Mr. Whitten said that Castle Stuart is better than Pacific Dunes or Old MacDonald?

Just do me one favor in the future, don't call Mr. Whitten Ron and then call Brad Dr. Klein in the same forum.

btw...Where does it say that Castle Stuart is the best course of the new millenium?

wow, since you are giving out nicknames i'm sure i can think of several for you

[John Kavanaugh]

Just do me one favor in the future, don't call Mr. Whitten Ron and then call Brad Dr. Klein in the same forum.

Could someone show me the proper punctuation for the above statement?

[Adam Clayman]

I'll give it a try. By no means am I representing I know the proper way. Heck, I missed grammar in school because we moved.
 

Just do me one favor in the future, don't call Mr. Whitten, Ron, and, then call Brad, Dr. Klein, in the same forum.

How'd I do?

[Eric Smith]

A lot of Doctors referenced in this thread. Ever wondered what a golf course designed by Ted Geisel would look like?

[PCCraig]

Paul:

I did see Ron W's comment and what stuck me as interesting is that he called it the best course of the new millenium. Didn't Pac Dunes open in 2001? What about Old MacDonald?  

Those are just two similar stlye courses that are highly praised that I was surprised to see Ron say that CS was better.

It's always nice to have Thing 2 follow in on the heels of Thing 1, or is it the other way around.  I can not find where Mr. Whitten said that Castle Stuart is better than Pacific Dunes or Old MacDonald?

Just do me one favor in the future, don't call Mr. Whitten Ron and then call Brad Dr. Klein in the same forum.

btw...Where does it say that Castle Stuart is the best course of the new millenium?

I don't have last month's GD in front of me, I was only recalling what I thought I remembered reading. Even still, what is considered higher praise? Calling it the best course of the new millenium, or calling it  "the most perfectly conceived and executed design ever built."

I wasn't aware I was addressing either Brad Klein or Ron Whitten differently. But even if I did, who cares.

Paul's question is a good one in the first post, and it was a comment that raised my eyebrows when I read it. Yet you're trying to turn it into some quasi rater bashing / GD vs. GW thread. I guess he should of started a post about balloons at a small town farmers funeral to be more "thought-provoking" for your tastes.

[Tom_Doak]

The only thing I saw Ron say was that Castle Stuart was the first great links course of the 21st century.

Whether that disses Pacific Dunes or whether he is not counting it as a links, he did not say.  I know he hasn't been to Barnbougle, but he should not dismiss it.

[David_Tepper]

The operative phrase in Ron Whitten's statement is "may be."

[Dan_Callahan]

Just do me one favor in the future, don't call Mr. Whitten Ron and then call Brad Dr. Klein in the same forum.

Could someone show me the proper punctuation for the above statement?

Just do me one favor in the future: Don't call Mr. Whitten "Ron" and then call Brad "Dr. Klein" in the same forum.

[Niall C]

From the little I know of the course and how it was designed and built, changes were made to the design during construction and some of the changes were quite fundamental. That suggests to me that the course wasn't "perfectly" conceived. They have also tweaked bits of the course here and there since opening from what I gather so the construction was hardly perfectly executed either. Seems a strange phrase all round, good course though.

Niall

[John Kavanaugh]

Just do me one favor in the future, don't call Mr. Whitten Ron and then call Brad Dr. Klein in the same forum.

Could someone show me the proper punctuation for the above statement?

Just do me one favor in the future: Don't call Mr. Whitten "Ron" and then call Brad "Dr. Klein" in the same forum.

I like how that reads and am seeing some humor in where you place the quotes.  The comma thing that Adam presented was my first thought but read too choppy.

[Mark Smolens]

Punctuation, schumunctuation. All I know is that it's good to see you back Mr. K. You seem to have a knack for getting under people's skin across cyberspace, and I (for one) enjoy the conflict, especially when it doesn't get personal. . .

[Mitch Hantman]

Getting back to Paul's original question that began this thread, Castle Stuart is THAT good.  Only way to see for sure is to go there yourself.  One guy's opinion...........

[JESII]

Mitch,

I'm sure I'll love Castle Stuart if and when I get there, but when you say "THAT good", do you mean it 'is the most perfectly conceived and executed design ever built'?