Devereux Emmet Society

[Dan Byrnes]

Dan,
Some Iroquois info for you:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,46068.0.html
http://tinyurl.com/6svdjm9
There are quite a few articles about it in online newspaper archives.

Here are two very good article about the construction of Mohawk GC:
http://tinyurl.com/7fvb7g9
http://tinyurl.com/7b5beuz

p.s. The Schenectady CC merged with the Edison CC.

Thanks.  I really enjoy Mohawk Golf Club.  There was a 18 holes pictorial of the course posted here late summer.

Was Schenectady CC property part of what is Edison today or the clubs just merged?

Dan

[Jim_Kennedy]

Dan,
Te clubs merged. SCC sold there 9 hole course to a group that renamed it Schonowe GC. That group went belly-up by 1937 and the town was chasing them for back taxes.

[Jim_Kennedy]

The links below mention an 18 hole golf course in Astoria (Astoria Golf Club), and one of the articles attributes it to Emmet.  

http://tinyurl.com/9qn9axs

http://tinyurl.com/9rocyxw

edit: I think the Emmet course described in the article is Queensboro, already on the list of known Emmets.

[Patrick_Mucci]

How could this thread have lasted so long without any green ink ?


Of the Emmett courses I've played, I really, really, liked a number of them.

Seawane and St George's immediately come to mind.

GCGC obviously.

Silver Spring, Rockaway River, Congressional, Glen Head, Hampshire and Nassau as well.

I'd like to play more of them on that list.

Mark,

How about an update on your efforts. 

[Jim_Kennedy]

Pat,
It's an official thread - green ink!
I agree, it would be nice to hear from Mark about his efforts w/the DES.

Here's an item about the origins of Mahopac golf club.

[Jim_Kennedy]

This is not an aerial of Emmet's Shelter Rock GC in Searingtown, LI. - Sorry, it's The Links, a CBM coure.

Lots of sand, and I think it's the first time I've seen a heart shaped green. TEPaul would have loved that.    

[Mark McKeever]

Man that looks cool!  The heart green is an island in sand too.

Mark

[Jim_Kennedy]

Mark,
The green in the upper r.hand corner almost looks like a "diamond", but I don't see any "spades" or "clubs", so there goes that theory.   

[Mark McKeever]

Almost looks like a biarritz green in the center picture.

Mark

[Alex Lagowitz]

Almost looks like a biarritz green in the center picture.

Mark

Mark,

I justed stumbled upon this thread and noticed the same thing?
I have heard of Emmet building template holes; did he ever build a Biarritz, and is this hole still there?

[Ronald Montesano]

Don't know if he templated, but he sure enjoyed the influence of others at the time, yet took what the land gave him. Mohawk is a great example of his use of land. The 1st and 10th are diabolical par 4s, thanks to skewed fairways. The second hole is a singular par three, in my opinion...part Tillinghast Reef, part Redan, part Emmet original. If this hole had a 220-yard tee, I would love it more than any other par three in New York state I've played. Here are a few links:

What you see from the tee:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Mohawk%20Golf%20Club-June%202011/IMG_0273.jpg

What you don't see from the tee:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Mohawk%20Golf%20Club-June%202011/IMG_0276.jpg

Above green on right:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Mohawk%20Golf%20Club-June%202011/IMG_0279.jpg

Below green on left:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Mohawk%20Golf%20Club-June%202011/IMG_0287.jpg

Behind green (take note of ball for next picture):
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Mohawk%20Golf%20Club-June%202011/IMG_0285.jpg

Same ball position, from back right of green (kinda sloped):
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/buffalogolfer/Mohawk%20Golf%20Club-June%202011/IMG_0280.jpg

[Sven Nilsen]

Glad this thread came back to life.

I have notations of a number of courses that do not appear on the MacWood list noted earlier in the thread that have been attributed to Emmet from different sources.

If anyone has any information on the following, I'd greatly appreciate hearing if these are misattributions, courses known by different names or mysteries that have already been cleared up:

Fulton Estate (CT)
Silver Spring (CT)
Clauson’s Inn fka Coonamessett GC (MA)
Green Hill Yacht & CC (MD)
Antlers GC (NY)
Battle Island GC (NY)
Brentwood GC (NY)
Iroquois GC (NY)
Manhasset GC (NY)
Oswego CC (NY)
Pawling G&CC (Design Only) (NY)
Schalren CC (NY)
St. Regis River GC (NY)
Tuscarora CC (NY)
Willow Ridge f/k/a Green Meadow (NY)

[Jim_Kennedy]

A few aerial views of some Emmet courses. All NLE except Lawrence, but it had a total makeover in 1961 by Joe Finger, and a couple of new holes were added after that. The property is long and narrow, looks like the routing is fairly intact.

Lawrence Yacht and CC



Astoria



Pomonok



Queen's Valley

[Jim_Kennedy]

Flushing

[Jim_Kennedy]

Queensboro 

[David Harshbarger]

There's some interesting bunkering there, with the double arced cross bunkered at Lawerence jumping out.  How about the aggressive bunker surrounding a few greens at Pomonock?  And in the upper left quadrant at Pomonock, looks like a pair of diagonal cross bunkers filled with turf?

The more Emmet you see, the more you treasure what is left.

[Jim_Kennedy]

There's some interesting bunkering there, with the double arced cross bunkered at Lawerence jumping out.  How about the aggressive bunker surrounding a few greens at Pomonock?  And in the upper left quadrant at Pomonock, looks like a pair of diagonal cross bunkers filled with turf?

The more Emmet you see, the more you treasure what is left.

How true.

.....and he sure wasn't afraid of using bunkers.

[Jim_Kennedy]

Some more Emmet. These are photos of Laurelton Links and a few of its greens. Plans were for two 18 hole courses.  The 'club' was being built at the time (1924) but within 4 or 5 years time it was sold for 2 mil and covered with homes, a school, and commercial buildings.

 
 

[Chris_Blakely]

Thanks for these aerials.

Some I have some I do not.

Some of his obscure courses really intrigue me, like the 9 holer he did down in North Carolina and others.

Thanks,

Chris

[Jim_Kennedy]

This is Emmet's Pelham CC as it existed in 1951:



Here's the direct link to the map if you'd like to zoom in on it....
http://gis.nyc.gov/doitt/nycitymap/?z=8&p=1040207,265958&c=GIS1951
 
and here's a close up of the 'Short' hole.


 

[Joey Chase]

Silver Spring CC keeps coming up in this thread as a Devereux Emmet design.  Is this the Silver Spring in Ridgefield, Connecticut?  I was under the impression it was a Robert White course? 

[Sven Nilsen]

Joey:

Bahto notes that White built the course to Banks' plans after Banks died in 1931.

I've also seen Silver Spring credited to Arthur Tull.  This list of Tull courses notes he redesigned the existing White layout in 1934 (http://rockleigh.org/Recreation/Golf/Tull.htm). 

A bit of confusion on this one.

Sven

[Joey Chase]

Sven,
I see that in the architects book, they do give Alfred Tull redesign credit too.  I am a bit curious as to where the Devereux Emmet connection is?

[Robert Emmons]

Could be confusion with Emmet, Emmet and Tull before Dev passed away and Tull went on his own...RHE

[Jim_Kennedy]

The club doesn't think it's anyone but White

Welcome to Silver Spring Country Club!
Silver Spring Country Club is a private club founded in 1930 in Ridgefield, CT. Members and guests enjoy a challenging and well-maintained eighteen-hole golf course designed by Scottish architect Robert White, first president of PGA and co-founder of the American Society of Golf Course Architects.
And this article seems to agree with them: