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mark chalfant

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Glen Head vs. Great Neck
« Reply #175 on: April 17, 2011, 08:38:02 PM »
Joe,

Thank you for posting so many great artcles re Golden Age layouts. Its possible that you're confusing Glen Head (originally Women's National) circa 1923 ,with Great Neck (NLE) mentioned in this 1919 article.  Glen Head  is very much alive/ intact and has some gorgeous rolling terrain.

Mark
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Glen Head vs. Great Neck
« Reply #176 on: April 17, 2011, 09:26:07 PM »
Quote from: mark chalfant on April 17, 2011, 08:38:02 PM
Joe,

Thank you for posting so many great artcles re Golden Age layouts. Its possible that you're confusing Glen Head (originally Women's National) circa 1923 ,with Great Neck (NLE) mentioned in this 1919 article.  Glen Head  is very much alive/ intact and has some gorgeous rolling terrain.

Mark

D'oh! 

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Tom MacWood

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #177 on: April 18, 2011, 06:43:56 AM »
Here is an updated list.

Farmington CC (Ct)
Hob Nob Hill GC (Ct)
Keney Park GC (Ct)
Manchester CC (Ct)
Ridgewood CC (Ct)
Wee Burn CC (Ct)
Henry DuPont Estate (De)
Beaver Dam (Md)
Congressional CC (Md)
Cape Cod CC (Ma)
Lenox GC (Ma)
Nichols College GC (Ma) [Webster Dudley
Cooper River CC (NJ)
Greenarces CC (NJ)
Rockaway River CC (NJ)
Albany CC (NY)
Lenox Hills CC (NY) [Bethpage-Green]
Briarcliff Manor CC (NY)
Broadmoor CC (NY)
Salisbury Links (NY) [Cherry Valley]
Coldstream GC (NY)
Copake Lake CC (NY)
The Edison C (NY), 27 holes
Salisbury GL #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 (NY) [Eisenhower Park]
Garden City GC (NY)
Women’s National G&CC (NY) [Glen Head]
Glenwood CC (NY) [North Shore]
Grassy Spain CC (NY)
Great Neck G&CC (short course) (NY)
Hampshire CC (NY)
Harrison Williams Estate (NY)
Hillcrest GC (NY)
Huntington Crescent CC East/West (NY)
Huntington CC (NY)
Intercollegiate GC (NY)
Lake Isle CC (NY)
Laurelton GC North/South (NY)
Lawrence GC (NY)
Leatherstocking CC (NY)
Leewood GC (NY)
Mahopac GC (NY)
Manhattan CC (NY)
Mayflower GC (NY)
McGregor GL (NY)
Meadowbrook C (NY)
Mechanicsville CC (NY)
Mohawk GC (NY)
Nassau CC (NY)
Northport CC (NY)
Old Westbury (NY)
Pelham CC (NY)
Pomonok CC (NY)
Queensboro Links (NY)
Queens Valley GC (NY)
Port Jefferson CC (NY)
Rockaway Hunting C (NY)
Rockville C (NY)
Rockwood Hall CC (NY)
Rye CC (NY)
Schenectady CC (NY)
Schuyler Meadow (NY)
Seawane C (NY)
Shelter Rock CC (NY)
Sherewogue (NY)
South Shore GC (NY)
Stephen Clark Estate (NY)
St. Georges G&CC (NY)
St. Lawrence University (NY)
Vanderbilt Estate (NY)
Vernon Hills CC (NY)
Westechester Women's G&TC (NY)
Wheatley Hills GC (NY)
Hog Back Mountain C (NC)
Belmont Hills CC (Oh)
Charles Schwab Estate (Pa)
Elk County CC (Pa)
St. Mary’s CC (Pa)
Thomas Fortune Ryan Estate (Va)
Wheeling CC (WV)
Bahamas CC (Bahamas)
Cable Beach Hotel (Bahamas)
Belmont Hall & C (Bermuda)
Castle Inn GC (Bermuda)
Hotel Frascati GC (Bermuda)
Riddell’s Bay G&CC (Bermuda)
CC of Santiago (Cuba)

Redesign:
Hartford GC (Ct)
Bedford G&TC (NY)
Bonnie Briar CC (NY)
Engineers GC (NY)
Great Neck G&CC (NY)
Old Country Club (NY)
Powelton C (NY)
St. Georges Hotel GC (Bermuda)
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #178 on: April 18, 2011, 10:26:21 AM »
TMac,

Battle Island GC, Oswego, NY
Schalren  CC, Mohawk View, NY (not Mohawk CC)
Iroquois GC, Niskayuna, NY
Green Hill Yacht &CC
Old Country Club aka Flushing CC, Flushing LI
Silver Spring CC, Ridgefield, CT
Antlers GC, Fort Jefferson, NY
Capital Hills, Albany, NY
Brentwood GC, Islip, Li
Cherry Valley Club, Garden City, Li
Coonamessett GC, N. Falmouth, Ma- now Clauson’s Inn
Manhasset GC, Manhasset ,NY
St. Regis GC, NY (planned, can’t find other info)
Pawling G&CC, Pawling, NY, (planned, can’t find other info)
Oswego CC Ny, remodel
Green Meadow nka Willow Ridge, NY
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #179 on: April 28, 2011, 09:19:19 AM »
Did this Emmet course ever get built?  This from the March 30, 1919 edition of the NY Tribune.

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Tom MacWood

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #180 on: April 28, 2011, 10:12:19 AM »
According to this article it sounds like it was never built, WWI did it in.


http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FA0B16F63C5D14738DDDA00994DE405B818EF1D3
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #181 on: April 28, 2011, 11:59:22 AM »
Joe,
This course was discussed on page 5 of this thread (#140). Robert Emmons gave a few reasons why it didn't (#142).
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V. Kmetz

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #182 on: April 28, 2011, 08:58:32 PM »
Mike S,

Your question about Ridgewood, CT...which I've played once every six years for the last 30

I'm not in a position to say what has been left of Emmet or not, but like...

Farmington
Rockaway river
Briarcliff Manor (later Briar Hall, now Trump National - Briarcliff)
Hampshire
Leewood
Vernon Hills (now Lake Isle)
and
Bonnie Briar

these are terrible pieces of property for a golf course.  All rocks, wicked slopes and heartbreak hills. OB all over the place...Ridgewood is an unfun place for a medal round of golf.

As a matter of fact, outside of Rockaway Hunt and Mahopac, I've never been in love with what an Emmet course is.

cheers

vk
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #183 on: May 12, 2011, 11:09:21 AM »
This is the first I've read about proposed work by Emmet at the pre-Banks Hackensack site, this from the April 10, 1922 edition of the NY Evening Post:

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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #184 on: May 12, 2011, 10:18:38 PM »
That's not the same site where Banks built, correct? 
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #185 on: May 13, 2011, 02:44:52 AM »
Quote from: Jim_Kennedy on May 12, 2011, 10:18:38 PM
That's not the same site where Banks built, correct? 

AFAIK, correct.
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Dave Falkner

Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #186 on: May 13, 2011, 12:07:02 PM »
Played St Georges this morning and Adam has the place in spectacular condition

I want to show it off a bit

I can take three guys out on weds june 1

pm me if interested

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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #187 on: November 19, 2011, 11:22:27 AM »
Back on the 3rd page of this thread, reply #101, Tom MacWood wrote that he thought the Riddell's Bay club in Bermuda was a Seth Raynor course. I hate to do this to Devereux, but here is some evidence that suggests TMac was 1/2 correct  ;) in his belief:
 
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mark chalfant

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #188 on: November 19, 2011, 11:57:20 AM »
Jim,
Thanks for posting this !  I believe George Bahto has also found documents linking Seth Raynor to  Riddels  Bay .
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #189 on: November 19, 2011, 12:22:22 PM »
Mark,
You're welcome.

It also looks like CBM was going to be planning the never-built Lloyd's Neck course in 1916, a couple of years before Emmet's involvement in 1918.

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Ed Homsey

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #190 on: November 19, 2011, 03:08:31 PM »
Though it appears I'm over a year behind the times, it is great to hear about the establishment of a historic society for Devereux Emmet.  Long overdue.

I will post a link to the site on the Travis Society blogsite, and perhaps we can have a joint get-together some time in the future.  Not sure that Travis and Emmet ever resolved their differences and had a reconciliation.  I think it's time it happened.

Ed Homsey

www.travissociety.com

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George_Bahto

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #191 on: November 19, 2011, 04:16:08 PM »
I have it that Dev Emmett redid the original 1921 Macdonald / Raynor design in 1926

"The Club aims to provide Golfers with an exceptionally attractive Course and Mr. Devereaux Emmett visited Bermuda at the close of 1925 for the purpose of supplying a new layout for the course, which is to be greatly improved and developed in the near future, the Legislature of Bermuda having voted a loan of 12,000 pounds sterling to assist the Club in its service to visiting and local golfers. During the past season the daily Green Fee was eight shillings (about $1.92) and possibly the fee for the present season will be approximately this amount."


eight shillings - I love it
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Tim Martin

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #192 on: November 19, 2011, 05:12:08 PM »
Quote from: Ed Homsey on November 19, 2011, 03:08:31 PM
Though it appears I'm over a year behind the times, it is great to hear about the establishment of a historic society for Devereux Emmet.  Long overdue.

I will post a link to the site on the Travis Society blogsite, and perhaps we can have a joint get-together some time in the future.  Not sure that Travis and Emmet ever resolved their differences and had a reconciliation.  I think it's time it happened.

Ed Homsey

www.travissociety.com


With both involved at Garden City this of course would be the only logical venue. Can someone please set it up? ;D
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #193 on: November 20, 2011, 06:56:38 PM »
This is an article about an Emmet course named Arrow Brook:



There are more articles on it that show it was a 'working' club, with tournaments and social functions; its golf course was closed in 1938 when Fiorello LaGuardia used it as his summer city hall during the World's Fair; plans made in 1941 for it (and its neighbor, Queen's Valley) were for 800 'Tailor Made' homes, although those plans seem to have fallen through as it, and several other sites in NY, were proposed for temporary post war housing in 1946:



Today the site looks like this:



Arrow Brook sat at the junction of 69th and Main.
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Dan Byrnes

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #194 on: November 20, 2011, 08:00:50 PM »
Quote from: Tom MacWood on April 18, 2011, 06:43:56 AM
Here is an updated list.

Farmington CC (Ct)
Hob Nob Hill GC (Ct)
Keney Park GC (Ct)
Manchester CC (Ct)
Ridgewood CC (Ct)
Wee Burn CC (Ct)
Henry DuPont Estate (De)
Beaver Dam (Md)
Congressional CC (Md)
Cape Cod CC (Ma)
Lenox GC (Ma)
Nichols College GC (Ma) [Webster Dudley
Cooper River CC (NJ)
Greenarces CC (NJ)
Rockaway River CC (NJ)
Albany CC (NY)
Lenox Hills CC (NY) [Bethpage-Green]
Briarcliff Manor CC (NY)
Broadmoor CC (NY)
Salisbury Links (NY) [Cherry Valley]
Coldstream GC (NY)
Copake Lake CC (NY)
The Edison C (NY), 27 holes
Salisbury GL #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 (NY) [Eisenhower Park]
Garden City GC (NY)
Women’s National G&CC (NY) [Glen Head]
Glenwood CC (NY) [North Shore]
Grassy Spain CC (NY)
Great Neck G&CC (short course) (NY)
Hampshire CC (NY)
Harrison Williams Estate (NY)
Hillcrest GC (NY)
Huntington Crescent CC East/West (NY)
Huntington CC (NY)
Intercollegiate GC (NY)
Lake Isle CC (NY)
Laurelton GC North/South (NY)
Lawrence GC (NY)
Leatherstocking CC (NY)
Leewood GC (NY)
Mahopac GC (NY)
Manhattan CC (NY)
Mayflower GC (NY)
McGregor GL (NY)
Meadowbrook C (NY)
Mechanicsville CC (NY)
Mohawk GC (NY)
Nassau CC (NY)
Northport CC (NY)
Old Westbury (NY)
Pelham CC (NY)
Pomonok CC (NY)
Queensboro Links (NY)
Queens Valley GC (NY)
Port Jefferson CC (NY)
Rockaway Hunting C (NY)
Rockville C (NY)
Rockwood Hall CC (NY)
Rye CC (NY)
Schenectady CC (NY)
Schuyler Meadow (NY)
Seawane C (NY)
Shelter Rock CC (NY)
Sherewogue (NY)
South Shore GC (NY)
Stephen Clark Estate (NY)
St. Georges G&CC (NY)
St. Lawrence University (NY)
Vanderbilt Estate (NY)
Vernon Hills CC (NY)
Westechester Women's G&TC (NY)
Wheatley Hills GC (NY)
Hog Back Mountain C (NC)
Belmont Hills CC (Oh)
Charles Schwab Estate (Pa)
Elk County CC (Pa)
St. Mary’s CC (Pa)
Thomas Fortune Ryan Estate (Va)
Wheeling CC (WV)
Bahamas CC (Bahamas)
Cable Beach Hotel (Bahamas)
Belmont Hall & C (Bermuda)
Castle Inn GC (Bermuda)
Hotel Frascati GC (Bermuda)
Riddell’s Bay G&CC (Bermuda)
CC of Santiago (Cuba)

Redesign:
Hartford GC (Ct)
Bedford G&TC (NY)
Bonnie Briar CC (NY)
Engineers GC (NY)
Great Neck G&CC (NY)
Old Country Club (NY)
Powelton C (NY)
St. Georges Hotel GC (Bermuda)


What is the history of Schenectady CC, is it what is known today as Schenectady Municipal?

Dan
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Dan Byrnes

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #195 on: November 20, 2011, 08:03:12 PM »
Quote from: Tom MacWood on April 18, 2011, 06:43:56 AM
Here is an updated list.

Farmington CC (Ct)
Hob Nob Hill GC (Ct)
Keney Park GC (Ct)
Manchester CC (Ct)
Ridgewood CC (Ct)
Wee Burn CC (Ct)
Henry DuPont Estate (De)
Beaver Dam (Md)
Congressional CC (Md)
Cape Cod CC (Ma)
Lenox GC (Ma)
Nichols College GC (Ma) [Webster Dudley
Cooper River CC (NJ)
Greenarces CC (NJ)
Rockaway River CC (NJ)
Albany CC (NY)
Lenox Hills CC (NY) [Bethpage-Green]
Briarcliff Manor CC (NY)
Broadmoor CC (NY)
Salisbury Links (NY) [Cherry Valley]
Coldstream GC (NY)
Copake Lake CC (NY)
The Edison C (NY), 27 holes
Salisbury GL #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 (NY) [Eisenhower Park]
Garden City GC (NY)
Women’s National G&CC (NY) [Glen Head]
Glenwood CC (NY) [North Shore]
Grassy Spain CC (NY)
Great Neck G&CC (short course) (NY)
Hampshire CC (NY)
Harrison Williams Estate (NY)
Hillcrest GC (NY)
Huntington Crescent CC East/West (NY)
Huntington CC (NY)
Intercollegiate GC (NY)
Lake Isle CC (NY)
Laurelton GC North/South (NY)
Lawrence GC (NY)
Leatherstocking CC (NY)
Leewood GC (NY)
Mahopac GC (NY)
Manhattan CC (NY)
Mayflower GC (NY)
McGregor GL (NY)
Meadowbrook C (NY)
Mechanicsville CC (NY)
Mohawk GC (NY)
Nassau CC (NY)
Northport CC (NY)
Old Westbury (NY)
Pelham CC (NY)
Pomonok CC (NY)
Queensboro Links (NY)
Queens Valley GC (NY)
Port Jefferson CC (NY)
Rockaway Hunting C (NY)
Rockville C (NY)
Rockwood Hall CC (NY)
Rye CC (NY)
Schenectady CC (NY)
Schuyler Meadow (NY)
Seawane C (NY)
Shelter Rock CC (NY)
Sherewogue (NY)
South Shore GC (NY)
Stephen Clark Estate (NY)
St. Georges G&CC (NY)
St. Lawrence University (NY)
Vanderbilt Estate (NY)
Vernon Hills CC (NY)
Westechester Women's G&TC (NY)
Wheatley Hills GC (NY)
Hog Back Mountain C (NC)
Belmont Hills CC (Oh)
Charles Schwab Estate (Pa)
Elk County CC (Pa)
St. Mary’s CC (Pa)
Thomas Fortune Ryan Estate (Va)
Wheeling CC (WV)
Bahamas CC (Bahamas)
Cable Beach Hotel (Bahamas)
Belmont Hall & C (Bermuda)
Castle Inn GC (Bermuda)
Hotel Frascati GC (Bermuda)
Riddell’s Bay G&CC (Bermuda)
CC of Santiago (Cuba)

Redesign:
Hartford GC (Ct)
Bedford G&TC (NY)
Bonnie Briar CC (NY)
Engineers GC (NY)
Great Neck G&CC (NY)
Old Country Club (NY)
Powelton C (NY)
St. Georges Hotel GC (Bermuda)


What is the history of Schenectady CC, is it what is known today as Schenectady Municipal? Also I assume Albany CC is the original Albany Country Club which is no where the Statr University of New York at Albany is located.

Dan

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Dan Byrnes

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #196 on: November 20, 2011, 08:05:22 PM »
Quote from: Jim_Kennedy on April 18, 2011, 10:26:21 AM
TMac,

Battle Island GC, Oswego, NY
Schalren  CC, Mohawk View, NY (not Mohawk CC)
Iroquois GC, Niskayuna, NY
Green Hill Yacht &CC
Old Country Club aka Flushing CC, Flushing LI
Silver Spring CC, Ridgefield, CT
Antlers GC, Fort Jefferson, NY
Capital Hills, Albany, NY
Brentwood GC, Islip, Li
Cherry Valley Club, Garden City, Li
Coonamessett GC, N. Falmouth, Ma- now Clauson’s Inn
Manhasset GC, Manhasset ,NY
St. Regis GC, NY (planned, can’t find other info)
Pawling G&CC, Pawling, NY, (planned, can’t find other info)
Oswego CC Ny, remodel
Green Meadow nka Willow Ridge, NY


Anyone know the history of Iroquois GC, Niskayuna, NY?  Not aware of that one.  Captial Hills in Albany has been redesigned significantly.

Dan
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Dan Byrnes

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #197 on: November 20, 2011, 08:23:15 PM »
Quote from: Jim_Kennedy on November 30, 2010, 09:48:23 PM
Mike,

Congressional seems to be his most noted course

Glen Head for its historic significance as WNG&TC

McGregor Links - Every time I read this article I say to myself that I would regularly and happily make the four hour round trip to play there (especially in August)    ;)   http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/GolfIllustrated/1921/gi152j.pdf

Hob Nob Hill - impossibility, but I could walk to it when I didn't feel like driving up to Saratoga.  ;D

McGregor was butchered a while back with the construction of town homes inside the course.  Still fun to play but that really changed the place for worse.

Dan
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Dan Byrnes

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #198 on: November 20, 2011, 08:37:09 PM »
Quite a few Devereux Emmet courses are in the Albany NY area.  There is a book written by a local history professor that I could find for the society.

http://www.amazon.com/history-golf-Yorks-capital-region/dp/0966847202

Also know the author slightly and perhaps he has further information?

If you want me to get the book or try and contact the author please let me know.

Dan
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Devereux Emmet Society
« Reply #199 on: November 20, 2011, 08:56:18 PM »
Dan,
Some Iroquois info for you:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,46068.0.html
http://tinyurl.com/6svdjm9
There are quite a few articles about it in online newspaper archives.

Here are two very good article about the construction of Mohawk GC:
http://tinyurl.com/7fvb7g9
http://tinyurl.com/7b5beuz

p.s. The Schenectady CC merged with the Edison CC.

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