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Scott_Burroughs

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Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« on: February 27, 2002, 05:47:47 AM »
Finally could get on last night and add some new pics.  And now, a chance at ending Shivas' streak.  I count 19 holes on this layout, so hopefully that hole to the left of the clubhouse area with the crooked fairway is a practice hole, since it doesn't fit with the rest of the course (could be a hint):
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2002, 06:23:05 AM »
This one is tough enough just to work out the routing.  I think I have that figured out.  Is 17 a par 3, difficult to descern,  that plays tee to green due east as we look at the aerial, from the top section with green in the middle of right edge straight east from the clubouse area?  I'd guess a pretty old course where drives were only expected to go 230yards since #1 fairway makes an abrupt dogleg left over trees and the right side seems to be cleared and extended into the rough for straignt hitters ove 240-250.  Every par 4 and 5 has a straight-on run-up apron, I'm guessing mostly elevated or pushed-up greens.  Only 8 and 10 have deception bunkers some distance short of green, and both still have room for the low bounding run-up. I see a lot of evergreen plantings that I don't think the archie intended.  I'm half tempted to think about Langford as the archie, except he usually had a couple of wrap-around bunkers towards the back of greens.
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Tom MacWood (Guest)

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2002, 06:29:55 AM »
That is a practice hole. The flanking greenside bunkers nearly the same size as the green are a telltaled characteristic of this architect's work - at least in this country.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2002, 06:32:43 AM »
Dick,
I think you have the same routing that I figured.  The top holes cross each other in a figure 8 manner (#2-7).  I think the first hole is a little easier than it may appear in terms of cutting the dogleg, since I think the tree shadowing obscures it.  You can probably hit even a straight ball and still go through the corner safely.
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SPDB

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2002, 06:52:44 AM »
If I have the routing right, I really like it, notwithstanding what appears to be some unneeded space between greens and tees:

my guess on the routing.

1. west moving dogleg (above crooked hole)
2. NNE away from 1, gentle dogleg, 2 big greenside bunkers
3. east moving par 3 across pond.
4. East moving straightaway par 4 to the upper right hand corner of pic.
5. moves back west toward entry road
6. NNW par 3, across finger of pond.
7  west moving par 4 across top of pic - into the top left corner of pic.
8. South moving, along the left side of the pic.
9. east moving par 4 - 3 bunkers on north side of the green

Looks like there is a bit of a hike to get to the back 9

10. South moving (tee due south of the clubhouse). Cross-bunkers
11. par 3, green sits in lower left hand corner of pic.
12. north moving par 4 (does it cross a river/creek)
13. south moving green sits at the bottom center of pic.
14. north moving par 5, gentle dog leg
15. east moving to the right side of the pic.
16. WNW moving short par 4.
17. east moving par 3, green is obscured, but looks as if there is a huge greenside bunker to the north of the green.
18. west moving back toward clubhouse
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2002, 07:10:37 AM »
My guess as to the "unnecessaary" distance between a few holes (9 and 10) and (17 and 18 ), is that there appears to be a ridge there, with a fairly steep drop-off (since there's a creek/river at the bottom) that the architect didn't or couldn't use, although the ridge at Lehigh certainly was used!
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2002, 07:33:17 AM »
Is that stream/river as under/poorly utilized as it appears from the photo?  

Is there a steepness of terrain in that area that prevented a better utilization of that natural feature?  (I agree with Scott...Flynn would have found a better way to work that in even if it was steep, ala Lehigh)
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2002, 08:11:37 AM »
EDIT:  Whoops, I posted in the wrong thread.

I will add another clue, since this one seems to have a lot of people stumped.  The biggest clue so far is already out there, but it's not about the course itself, it's about who's the only person to get it so far.
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Tom MacWood (Guest)

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2002, 08:34:48 AM »
I'm not sure how many holes are effected by the stream at Lehigh, but 11, 12, 13 and 15 play around or over the stream at this course. The ground near the stream is relatively level.

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JakaB

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2002, 08:43:53 AM »
Shivas,

If MacWood knows it and you didn't play it in College I would be very surprised.
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BillV

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2002, 09:39:28 AM »
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I'm not sure how many holes are Affected by the stream at Lehigh, but 11, 12, 13 and 15 play around or over the stream at this course. The ground near the stream is relatively level.



At LCC

#4 crosses the stream over a large valley-Par4
#7 is a drop shot 3 of 100+ feet in a large valley
#11 2nd or 3rd shot is 90 ft down over the Little Lehigh-Fine's favorite-Par5
#12 (Huck's favorite) plays level along the river-Par4
#13 Crosses the river at the same level Par3

The Little Lehigh River is in a valley 80-120 feet deep at the site of the course.
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SPDB

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2002, 09:41:15 AM »
but we digress

Is this Thompson?
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2002, 09:54:29 AM »
The cart path or walking path from 9 green to 10 tee is not identifiable nor a path from clubhouse out to 10.  The same with path from 17 green to 18 tee.  This looks like recon photos of the Ho Chi Minh trail! :o  What do they have, a tunnel? ::)
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SPDB

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2002, 10:05:36 AM »
Dick -
my sense is that the cart path is shrouded by trees from 9-10. you can see a path emerge by 10 tee. Same might be true from 17-18. And, in fact, the path from 17 green to 18 tee, may cut out in this picture.

then again I may be  8) blind
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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2002, 10:06:18 AM »
Shivas - let's get some more clues before the answer.
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Tom MacWood (Guest)

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2002, 10:11:08 AM »
Its not Colt or Thompson.

RJ
I'm not sure about the paths to the 10th but there are stairs for those who walk from the 10th tee to the 10th fairway. I'm not sure of the drop in feet, but I'd guess its at least 120 feet oir more. The is also the reason for the large gap on 18 - walkers take a tram.
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JakaB

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2002, 10:20:10 AM »
Shivas,

Everything I have told you is the product of a confused mind...I am sorry in an unqualified way.
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Dan Grossman

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2002, 10:26:20 AM »
I'm confused too.  Knowing that Tom MacWood is from Ohio and having grown up in Ohio, I still can't figure it out.  When I heard about the elevation change, I thought maybe Granville GC.  But, its not that either.

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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2002, 10:32:16 AM »
Huge giveaway, but according to golfcourse.com, Colt IS a co-designer of this course.  Of course, they could be wrong.

Outside of the formerly most picked-on city in the U.S.
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2002, 10:33:11 AM »
Does Sam Snead have anything to do with this place.  I'm reaching hard here. :-/
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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2002, 10:36:27 AM »
I am dumbfounded. A tram  ??? ???

you would think that would give it away, and I have no clue.
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Dan Grossman

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2002, 10:37:38 AM »
Wow, I haven't ever even heard of this course.  I guess that is what I get for growing up in Northwest Ohio.  Looks pretty neat.  How did you pick this one, Scott?
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JakaB

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2002, 10:40:57 AM »
Is it in Golf Digest top 100 and not in Golfweek top 100 Classical.  
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George Pazin

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Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2002, 10:48:10 AM »
Going by Tom MacWood's prior writings, I'm gonna guess Kirkwood.
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Tom MacWood (Guest)

Re: Aerial of the Day #33 - 27 Feb 2002
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2002, 10:49:30 AM »
Colt had nothing to do with the design of this course. If I'm not mistaken this may have been the first solo effort of this architect or at least one of his first. He designed a golf course in the same neighborhood called Lost Nation. His greatest work lies on Long Island.
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