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Ally Mcintosh

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Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« on: October 05, 2010, 10:35:27 AM »
There can't be many...
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Phil_the_Author

Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2010, 10:41:50 AM »
I would imagine Seminole is...
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Eric Smith

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2010, 10:42:28 AM »
Augusta National
Seminole
Pinehurst # 2
Casa De Campo
The Ocean Course
TPC Sawgrass
Southern Hills
Cabo Del Sol
Harbour Town
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2010, 10:44:46 AM »
Quote from: Eric Smith on October 05, 2010, 10:42:28 AM
Augusta National
Seminole
Pinehurst # 2
Casa De Campo
The Ocean Course
TPC Sawgrass
Southern Hills
Harbour Town


Thanks Eric... Is that a comprehensive list - did you go right through them?

More than I was expecting to tell you the truth...
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Brent Hutto

Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2010, 10:45:07 AM »
Quote from: Eric Smith on October 05, 2010, 10:42:28 AM
Augusta National
Seminole
Pinehurst # 2
Casa De Campo
The Ocean Course
TPC Sawgrass
Southern Hills
Cabo Del Sol
Harbour Town


What type of grass is The Masters played on each spring?

What are the greens at Pinehurst #2?
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Eric Smith

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2010, 10:45:57 AM »
Ally,

I looked at 2009 Golf Magazine.  I would imagine Durban would be warm season as well.
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jonathan_becker

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2010, 10:46:10 AM »
Royal Melbourne
Kingston Heath
NSW

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Eric Smith

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2010, 10:54:48 AM »
Quote from: Brent Hutto on October 05, 2010, 10:45:07 AM


What type of grass is The Masters played on each spring?  Bermudagrass overseeded with rye

What are the greens at Pinehurst #2? Penn G-2 Bent

So yes, these examples would have an * and probably some others as well.
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PCCraig

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2010, 10:58:12 AM »
Mid Ocean in Bermuda would have to be one. (I think it's still in the top 100?)
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Chip Gaskins

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2010, 11:02:36 AM »
LA Country Club used to be common bermuda before Gil Hanse and Geoff Shackelford redid it this year.

Depending on which list you use, you could add these:

Colonial CC
East Lake
Peachtreee
World Woods - Pine Barrens
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2010, 11:03:37 AM »
Please educate me...

What do you mean by warm season grasses?  Could you provide examples of the specific grasses?
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David Camponi

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2010, 11:03:44 AM »
Augusta National is not one; it is on Rye with Bent greens which I believe to be a cool season grasses.

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David Camponi

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2010, 11:05:15 AM »
Quote from: Mac Plumart on October 05, 2010, 11:03:37 AM
Please educate me...

What do you mean by warm season grasses?  Could you provide examples of the specific grasses?

From my understanding the warm season grasses are Zoysia and Bermuda; any others?

Cool would be Bent, Rye, and Fescue. (Is fescue considered cool season?)
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2010, 11:08:25 AM »
Thanks David.

East Lake has zyosia fairways and bermuda greens.

I think Cuscowilla is having to re-do their greens as they were/are bent and they got hammered this summer.

Atlanta Athletic (prior Top 100) has zyosia fairways (although the blades seem thinner thant the blades at East Lake) but I believe they have bent greens...and are showing some stress.

I think I am right on this next point...but please correct me if I am wrong...Atlanta Country Club's greens are in FANTASTIC shape...mind blowingly good...and they are bent.  They have a Hall of Fame Super and it shows.
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David Camponi

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2010, 11:14:25 AM »
 AAC Highlands, the course that would have been in the top 100 just replaced their greens with Bermuda about a year ago; they (from my understanding) the only course in the country with Diamond Zoysia fairways which were just recently done as well; replacing the Bermuda fways.
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2010, 11:25:42 AM »
Again...thanks David.  Do you know if AAC Riverside has bent greens.  I just played that last week and I thought they were bent, but I am still struggling with grass identification. 


FYI...trying to educate myself about grass.
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David Camponi

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2010, 11:30:52 AM »
Yes they are bent; I think they have Zion (Don't know how to spell it) Zyosia fways; probably the same as East Lakes, my understanding is that they lost several this summer due to the heat.  Were they pretty bad?
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2010, 11:39:20 AM »
David...thanks again!!   :)

Uh...were they pretty bad?  Hard to answer really.  For down here after the summer we had, no they weren't too bad.  Were they bad compared to Augusta National during The Masters?  Yes, they were bad.  If Tiger didn't like the greens at Pebble for the US Open, he would have hated these.   ;)

The thing that made them tough to play on was the seemed to be keeping the grass longer than normal.  I suppose to keep them more healthy and hardy?  (that is a guess).  This made them slower than normal.  It frustrated us a few times on downhill putts that would have normally fed to the hole.  But the bumpiness wasn't too bad overall.

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Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2010, 01:12:26 PM »
Okay, a lot of wrong information going on in this thread, so let me help and correct.

Top 100 courses with bermudagrass greens (Golf Digest):

Seminole
TPC Sawgrass
The Prince
East Lake
Long Cove Club (overseeded)
Harbour Town GL (overseeded)
Cassique
Black Diamond (overeseeded)
Calusa Pines
Ocean Forest (zoysia fwys)

Top 100 Courses with bentgrass greens, bermuda fws, etc

Augusta National (overseeded)
Pinehurst #2
Southern Hills
Shadow Creek (bent tees/approaches)
The Quarry at La Quinta (overseeded)
LACC
Estancia (overseeded)
Eagle Point
Sage Valley (overseeded)

Top 100 courses with paspalum greens, bermudagrass fwys, etc…

The Ocean Course

Top 100 courses with Zoysia fwys

The Honors Course
Dallas National
Peachtree
Flint Hills National
East Lake
Ocean Forest

As for Atlanta Athletic Club, the Riverside has bentgrass, the Highlands has Champion. They zoysia fwys are much different than East Lake.

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Bill_McBride

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2010, 02:02:04 PM »
Quote from: Ally Mcintosh on October 05, 2010, 10:44:46 AM
Quote from: Eric Smith on October 05, 2010, 10:42:28 AM
Augusta National
Seminole
Pinehurst # 2
Casa De Campo
The Ocean Course
TPC Sawgrass
Southern Hills
Harbour Town


Add Colonial, Champions, Peachtree......is this digging too deeply?

Thanks Eric... Is that a comprehensive list - did you go right through them?

More than I was expecting to tell you the truth...
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George Freeman

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2010, 02:06:58 PM »
What I think I know:

Bent grass is the best grass for greens (or so 'they' say), but it is not very tolerant to high temperatures such as in the south (leading to fans around greens or the inability to have bent grass).  

However, if the bermuda grass greens at East Lake and Cassique (to name two) are so good, pure and quick, and are easily maintained in high temps, what the heck is the point of struggling to keep bent greens in the south?  I played Cassique last April and the greens were fantastic (true and quick)...What gives?
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Carl Nichols

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2010, 02:28:25 PM »
George:
I played Cassique two weeks ago and the greens were amazing -- fast (sign said 11.5 on stimp), firm enough, and incredibly true.  There was some sand or something on them, but it didn't seem to affect the roll one bit.  It was still pretty hot in South Carolina at that point -- high 80's/low 70's, and pretty humid.
The greens at the River course were almost as good. 
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Eric Smith

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2010, 02:36:13 PM »
Anthony,

Ally asked, "Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?"

You've listed a ton of courses outside of that list.  Would love to see your list as per the question, if you have time.

Thanks.

Eric


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Don_Mahaffey

Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2010, 02:44:05 PM »
Eric,
re your question to Tony, which top 100 list? I'l bet each of the courses he mentioned have found their way onto a top 100 list somewhere at sometime.

Tony, BTW, The Quarry at La Quinta has bermuda greens.

There is no reason the right warm season grass can't be used on a top 100 course. Its the architecture, not the grass that makes the difference.
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Steve Burrows

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Re: Which World Top 100 courses are on warm season grasses?
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2010, 02:49:27 PM »
Riviera has kikuyu grass fairways.
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