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Tom_Doak

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If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« on: August 30, 2010, 07:27:12 PM »
... does it make a sound?

Her appearances and failures used to be a staple of OT Golf Club Atlas threads.

So, I was surprised to wake up in Toronto this morning and discover that she had won the Canadian Women's Open, with no mention at all here.

I'm glad she is past all that b.s.  Carry on about your regular business.
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John Moore II

Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 07:28:35 PM »
Tom I thought the same thing. I was quite stunned that no one had brought it up on here. Maybe we are moving a bit away from OT (although I just brought back another OT post and contributed to this one. YIKES)
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2010, 07:29:13 PM »
She won on a pretty swell golf course, no?
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William_G

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2010, 07:31:10 PM »
Hahahahahahahaha
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Garland Bayley

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2010, 07:32:49 PM »
Au Contraire!

Her win was documented here with her alias that has been used for some time since her real name used to bring up such rancor.

YouKnow Who (or UKnow Who) and her win were mentioned on the St. Charles thread. ;)
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"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

cary lichtenstein

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2010, 07:33:28 PM »
Glad she is realizing some of her potential
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Garland Bayley

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2010, 07:35:43 PM »
BTW

It now stands
YK Who 2 - M Pressel 2
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JC Jones

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2010, 07:38:18 PM »
Tom,

At least you admit that this thread should be labeled OT.  The real question is, if Tom Doak starts an OT thread, does Ran delete it? ;) ;D ;D
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Carl Johnson

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2010, 07:40:05 PM »
Well, among the televised USGA Am, the Canadian Women's Open, and the PGA-Fed Ex Cup thingy, I spent most of my time watching the Open.  Three birds in a row toward the end, clutch putts, and smiles.  Say all you want to, I think she can play.  Her back seems to be a qustion now, but after some time off at Stanford, I'm hoping she'll be o.k.  She seems like a good person, and other players on the LPGA Tour really seem to like her.
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Tony Weiler

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 09:30:18 PM »
Tom, did she win something?   ;D
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2010, 10:05:17 PM »
everyone must be following her on twitter.... old news now...
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PCCraig

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2010, 09:27:22 AM »
Is the Women's Canadian Open a "major" for the women?

By my count she has won two events in 5+ years of being in the media spotlight for being "the female Tiger Woods"...not a great career so far for someone who had so much potential. But, good to see she's starting to learn how to win. Perhaps the next big OT thread will be started when she wins the Women's U.S. Open.
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Scott Warren

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2010, 09:35:30 AM »
To be fair, Pat, she's what? 20 years old?

Two Tour events by 20 could be viewed as a pretty good achievement, depending how you spin it!
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George Freeman

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2010, 09:41:23 AM »
This is her second full year on tour, so I would agree, two wins is quite respectable.

I'm not sure how anyone could swing a club under the amount of pressure that was tossed on this lady's back at such a young age (playing on the PGA tour at age 14-15?!?!?!!?)...

Multiple top 5-10s in majors and two wins by the age of 20 is impressive.  I have a feeling that once she learns how to win and understands her immense skill, she will win many many times over.
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George Pazin

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2010, 09:51:23 AM »
Quote from: Scott Warren on August 31, 2010, 09:35:30 AM
To be fair, Pat, she's what? 20 years old?

Two Tour events by 20 could be viewed as a pretty good achievement, depending how you spin it!

Yep, Tiger warped everyone's expectations and standards.

Curious how quickly everyone forgets the past, and the many tales of unfulfilled promise.

Which reminds me, I hope Sergio can find a little happiness somewhere.
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Jerry Kluger

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2010, 09:52:02 AM »
TD: I think the interest in the LPGA is getting down near zero and Ms. Wie should have concentrated on the LPGA when Annika was still playing and people cared.  
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Joe Bausch

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2010, 09:52:28 AM »
I watched a good amount of the Canadian Open over the weekend (it used to be a major on the tour).  What really struck me about MW is that she is now using her caddy to help her read putts.  I'm not sure when that started to happen, but she did putt relatively well in the tourney.  And her course management was pretty good too.  Some of the par 4's there were not long and she would take a beautiful little 3/4 swing with a fw metal or rescue club and just get the ball in play.  And her distance control on her wedges was very good.
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PCCraig

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2010, 09:55:24 AM »
Quote from: Scott Warren on August 31, 2010, 09:35:30 AM
To be fair, Pat, she's what? 20 years old?

Two Tour events by 20 could be viewed as a pretty good achievement, depending how you spin it!

Scott:

It's a nice achievement for the average ladies golfer...but Wie was never supposed to be average! When she was a teenager playing on the PGA Tour she was supposed to be the next coming of Tiger Woods, best women's golfer ever, etc... My point is only that she hasn't lived up to the overall hype...yet. I hope she keeps making putts and can pull a few more wins together!
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PThomas

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2010, 09:59:56 AM »
Quote from: George Pazin on August 31, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: Scott Warren on August 31, 2010, 09:35:30 AM
To be fair, Pat, she's what? 20 years old?

Two Tour events by 20 could be viewed as a pretty good achievement, depending how you spin it!

Which reminds me, I hope Sergio can find a little happiness somewhere.

hard to believe he's a Ryder Cup assistant captain!
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Adam Clayman

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2010, 10:11:07 AM »
Tom, You should know this crowd only reacts to train wrecks. Her winning was inevitable once she obtained the experience and hopefully told her parents to FO.
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astavrides

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2010, 10:47:18 AM »
did you hear that tiger got divorced?
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Garland Bayley

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2010, 10:59:43 AM »
Quote from: George Pazin on August 31, 2010, 09:51:23 AM
Quote from: Scott Warren on August 31, 2010, 09:35:30 AM
To be fair, Pat, she's what? 20 years old?

Two Tour events by 20 could be viewed as a pretty good achievement, depending how you spin it!

Yep, Tiger warped everyone's expectations and standards.

Curious how quickly everyone forgets the past, and the many tales of unfulfilled promise.

Which reminds me, I hope Sergio can find a little happiness somewhere.

The other person out there warping expectations is YaNi Tseng. YaNi is a few months older that Michelle, and is the won who denied Michelle her second consecutive Amateur Public Links title. YaNi has already accumulated 3 major championships, and has had a tour event added in her home country (Taiwan) because of her success.
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Phil McDade

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2010, 11:13:31 AM »
Quote from: Pat Craig on August 31, 2010, 09:55:24 AM
Quote from: Scott Warren on August 31, 2010, 09:35:30 AM
To be fair, Pat, she's what? 20 years old?

Two Tour events by 20 could be viewed as a pretty good achievement, depending how you spin it!

Scott:

It's a nice achievement for the average ladies golfer...but Wie was never supposed to be average! When she was a teenager playing on the PGA Tour she was supposed to be the next coming of Tiger Woods, best women's golfer ever, etc... My point is only that she hasn't lived up to the overall hype...yet. I hope she keeps making putts and can pull a few more wins together!

Pat:

I think the issue with Wie is two-fold -- she was enormously successful, at a very young age, in various non-Tour events (like the Public Links, her home state Open), and then had some really good showings in women's majors (like the Nabisco), again at a very young age. The notion that she hasn't been "successful" is, to me, a crock (see my reply #34 on this thread: http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,45040.0/

The second issue is that her early success, at a very young age, created enormous expectations -- not just the media, but on a Tour starved for some publicity and success stories, and golf fans generally -- and led to (I think) getting some very bad advice (as a non-adult) from presumably parents, agents and hangers-on about playing men's Tour events, chasing appearance fee money, and trying to show she could compete with both the guys and women. And she suffered a pretty serious injury, particularly for a golfer, to her wrist, which didn't help matters.

I'm of the view she may have turned the corner, and I think two things have helped -- participating in, and being part of a winning team, at the Solheim Cup, where she was the best player for three days on both squads (http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,41143.0/); and, enrolling in college (Stanford), which is a pretty normal thing for kids her age to do.

I think if she continues to stay healthy, work on parts of her game that need it (short game, putting), and stays focused on the LPGA, she'll win a lot in the coming years.
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Phil Benedict

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2010, 12:28:16 PM »
Alexis Thompson is the new new thing.

I wonder if the buzz surrounding Wie has receded so much that even if she becomes a dominant player the tour won't get that big a pop in terms of fan interest. 
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Tyler Kearns

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Re: If Michelle Wie Wins In The Forest and No One Hears It
« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2010, 12:33:01 PM »
Quote from: Joe Bausch on August 31, 2010, 09:52:28 AM
I watched a good amount of the Canadian Open over the weekend (it used to be a major on the tour).  What really struck me about MW is that she is now using her caddy to help her read putts.  I'm not sure when that started to happen, but she did putt relatively well in the tourney.  And her course management was pretty good too.  Some of the par 4's there were not long and she would take a beautiful little 3/4 swing with a fw metal or rescue club and just get the ball in play.  And her distance control on her wedges was very good.

Joe,

I was out watching play on Friday, and kept hoping to see Michelle hit driver. I finally got a great spot beside the tee on the 18th hole (420-yd.) only to see her hit another 3-hybrid. Later in the round, I had to point out to the volunteer spotting balls in the rough where her drive had ended up on the 2nd hole as she was miles beyond everybody else. Shortly thereafter, I realized that Alexis Thompson is even longer off the tee, knocking it an additional 15 yards past Wie.

It was nice to see her, and all the LPGA players up close, they are exceptionally talented.

TK
« Last Edit: August 31, 2010, 02:52:36 PM by Tyler Kearns »
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