"Par 4s are the meat of golf"

[Garland Bayley]

George. To make the original posit true, the numeric value of par would have a greater relevancy than I believe it does. The meat of the course is its routing, imo.

No, the routing is the kitchen, the dining room, and the table setting. Par was just short hand for two shotter. The three shotters are potatoes with the first shot being like a driving range shot before getting to the gravy which sets up the approach. One shotters are like dessert where you get a perfect lie to execute your approach.

[George Pazin]

No, the routing is the kitchen, the dining room, and the table setting. Par was just short hand for two shotter. The three shotters are potatoes with the first shot being like a driving range shot before getting to the gravy which sets up the approach. One shotters are like dessert where you get a perfect lie to execute your approach.

This is probably the funniest way of making a point I've read on here.

Though I am inclined to agree with Adam that the routing is the meat, but that's mixing metaphors, I think.

[Patrick_Mucci]

I never said the back nine at Pac Dunes wasn't any good.

And I never said that you said that the back nine at PD wasn't any good.

I have never played Essex.

You should try to get there.
It's only 15 minutes from Mountain Ridge, as is The Knoll.


I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing. NGLA and Oakmont are loaded with fantastic par 4s.

I'd agree that they're loaded with fantastic par 4's, but, that's NOT what you said.
And, I'm not arguing for the sake of arguing.
You said the par 4's were all "stout" and I disagreed with your characterization and cited specific holes that I wouldn't define as "stout"

"Stout" was you choice of word, not mine.

Maybe "stout" is not the right word. Forgive me.

You are, indeed, forgiven, just watch your language in the future. 

[George Pazin]

Patrick, If the 3rd at Oakmont is not stout, then perhaps your own use of the word is in question...

[Garland Bayley]

Patrick, If the 3rd at Oakmont is not stout, then perhaps your own use of the word is in question...

Yeah Patrick,

Wake up and smell the coffee.

When's the last time you played Oakmont? If ever?

[Bill_McBride]

For anyone who favors the par 4's, Elie is your course.  16 par 4's ranging from 256 yards to 460.  A great mix of long, short, blind, it's great stuff.

[Jim Franklin]

Thank you Patrick for your forgiveness. I will choose my words wisely next time.