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Tim Gavrich

What are you a sucker for?
« on: July 27, 2010, 02:05:12 AM »
I could be wrong, but I would imagine that a lot of golfers--even the enlightened folks who frequent this here site!--have one aspect of a golf course that almost automatically will inspire an affinity for said course.  It might be something about the architecture of the course (nasty bunkers?), or it could be something more about the experience (the fish tacos?).  If you're so inclined, give your single example here.  I'll start.

I, Tim Gavrich, am a sucker for sideboards and backboards on greens--the ability to hit a putt in the shape of a horseshoe into a hole.
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Sean_A

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2010, 02:32:50 AM »
I am a sucker for two things:

Central hazards (hazards meaning anything which causes concern for the golfer - not the tired USGA concept of hazard).

Seemingly flat or otherwise useless looking land (so far as golf is concerned) turned into cracking holes without much shaping of the land.

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Matthew Runde

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2010, 06:27:54 AM »
My name is Matthew, and I'm a sucker for undulating greens.

Phil McDade

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 06:35:55 AM »
Short par 4s with multiple ways to approach playing them.

Scott Warren

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 07:19:31 AM »
Central hazards (hazards meaning anything which causes concern for the golfer - not the tired USGA concept of hazard).

Amen brother. If there is an official fan club it should hold its meetings at Huntercombe!

Brent Hutto

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 07:22:03 AM »
Well aside from the obvious affinity for a course where I happen to play well (for instance, if I ever manage to break 80 that course will become my instant favorite)...

Any green complex that provides an advantage to playing deliberately long of the green, rather than short. Easiest way to do that is to pitch the back of the green away from the fairway and put trouble like a deep bunker in front. Of course an opportunity like this can be ruined by putting another bunker or thick rough behing the green! It works best if the shot coming in is longish, i.e. on a medium-long Par 4.

There's one such green on the "third nine" of my home course. There's one at Pine Needles although I do not recall exactly what is in front of the green. There was one at my previous club that was unfortunately ruined by having behind the green a slope leading down into a swamp.
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PCCraig

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 08:03:09 AM »
Water...ponds, creeks, island greens, fountains, etc...







;)
H.P.S.

Keith OHalloran

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 08:13:36 AM »
A puncbowl green.

A risk reward par five reachable in two.

Thomas McQuillan

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 08:19:53 AM »
Par fours with a various options off the tee- Hit 4 iron off tee and another four iron or cut the corner with driver and leave yourself with a short iron. The dispersion between the two shots could be about 100 yards and the way you play the hole would change with the wind. I know its a very detailed description but I just love a bit of a dilemma off the tee.

Ben Voelker

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 08:22:03 AM »
Short par 4s with multiple ways to approach playing them.

I couldn't agree more Phil.  I LOVE short par 4's with interesting driving angles, multiple options, etc, especially those with some "can't miss it there" hazard of some sort (bunker, gorse, creek, etc).

Ken Moum

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 08:49:13 AM »
Wide fairways with fast turf.....  Bunkers in the fairway... and lots of short grass around the greens no rought to keep balls from rolling away or into greenside bunkers.


I can't help it, I'm a short and crooked driver with a good short game.

K

Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

cary lichtenstein

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 08:54:06 AM »
eye candy

canyon walls

biaritz green like Yales 9th

very elevated tees

undulating greens

deep bunkers

quirk

Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Adam Clayman

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 08:55:35 AM »
I'm a sucker being suckered. Then figuring out how and why I got suckered so it don't happen again. I believe this can only happen on a thoughtful design. So, I'm a sucker for them.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Jim_Kennedy

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2010, 09:16:24 AM »
 I a sucker for situations that bring out the 'we didn't come here to lay-up' mentality in players.
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Jim Colton

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2010, 09:39:53 AM »
I am a sucker for a sneak peak early in the round of a pin placement you'll need to know for later in the round.

Ryan Farrow

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2010, 09:51:25 AM »
A visually perfect hole. You look out from the tee and every bunker just looks like it is perfectly placed, its all in harmony.






You can add a picture of 18 at Oakmont, 16 at Rock Creek, and A bunch of William Flynn holes. I think Flynn was the master at setting up bunkers.

JR Potts

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2010, 09:53:24 AM »
I'm a sucker for big, stately golf courses.

I'm also a sucker for grand entrances and winding arrivals.

Mark McKeever

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2010, 10:17:13 AM »
Im a sucker for wild green contours.  Makes chipping and putting a lot of fun!
Mark
Best MGA showers - Bayonne

"Dude, he's a total d***"

Steve Salmen

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2010, 10:18:04 AM »
Stone walls that run through golf courses and affect play.  They just look really cool.  The ones I can think of off the top of my head are at Crail, North Berwick, and Renaissance.  I'm sure there are a lot more that I'm not thinking of.

Brad Tufts

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2010, 10:19:42 AM »
I'm a sucker for deep grass-faced bunkers that look like they are from the Golden Age.

I'm a sucker for anything built before 1950.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Peter Pallotta

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2010, 10:27:38 AM »
Lanky brunettes with wicked jaws. Always have been.

An opening hole that makes sense - a broad/expansive and simple Par 4 with no tricks or severe twists and turns (which twists make me think the hole was an afterthought, or merely the quickest route away from the club house). And then if I can walk off the first green and see the 2nd tee nearby, I know I'm going to like the course well enough (especially if the 2nd hole is not a Par 5).

Shivas' bunkers on the inside of doglegs that can (sometimes) be carried - very good. Classic, sensible, not-trying-too-hard kind of architecture. A Midwest kind of architecture - honest as the day is long.

Peter
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Doug Ralston

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2010, 10:34:22 AM »
That well placed tree in the fairway, with all those options it presents.

Doug
Where is everybody? Where is Tommy N? Where is John K? Where is Jay F? What has happened here? Has my absence caused this chaos? I'm sorry. All my rowdy friends have settled down ......... somewhere else!

TEPaul

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2010, 10:35:21 AM »
I'm a sucker for a type of hole----generally a very old fashioned type of hole that a fairly large number of golfers might deem vaguely unfair.

I just came back from Myopia and that annual tournament I play in there and by my count Myopia has up to seven holes like that. I love those holes more and more every time I see them. They are all old fashioned and just so challenging really if you make even the slighest mistake, no matter how good you are.

They are the types of hole that even given their particular natural landforms I doubt a handful of architects today would dare actually copy if they found the same landforms.

I do admit, however, that given various aspects of modern maintenance and maintenance practices these types of hole have become more intense, and sometimes far more intense in various ways than they ever have been before. But even to that I say----so what?  ;)
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Cliff Hamm

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2010, 10:38:14 AM »
Many of my favorites have been mentioned, but I will add chipping areas around greens.  Preferably the green is a bit elevated so you are chipping uphill with the option of putting.  So much more fun than hacking it out of the rough.

John Shimony

Re: What are you a sucker for?
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2010, 10:41:29 AM »
I'm a sucker for any hole featuring a hazard or bunker that actually needs to be challenged in order to get the best angle to the green.  Preferably not a pond or lake but I guess they qualify.
John Shimony
Philadelphia, PA

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