Time for a New Thread

« **on:** March 13, 2002, 11:53:22 AM »

I think it is time to start a new thread. A few weeks ago I asked if there had been any good posts, which immediately led to some great ones. Friar's Head and the Pro V1 were two examples.

Fortunately, Golfweek announced their Top 100 Modern and Classic

and

!, giving us fodder for a solid week. As usual, a lot of people feel compelled to disagree with the result when they really disagree with the criteria, but at least it stirred a healthy discussion.

I was amazed at the lack of interest in a "Favorite 5" in the style of the Golfweek writers. Gotta love Seanor, who listed 7 courses! :-/

My biggest question for this has been, "What should the subject of my post be?"

The site has been around a while, so it is harder to come up with new yet relevant content.

Here goes:

IN 25 WORDS OR LESS (apologies to Jimmy Buffett), PLEASE MAKE ONE SUGGESTION FOR THOSE IN THE GOLF DESIGN FIELD TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WORKING ON THEIR NEXT PROJECT.

I'm sure all of the bright minds here will have some good advice. I'm aware that the 25 word maximum will preclude some GCA luminaries from weighing in

, but it will go a long way to making it easier to read succinct proposals.

« **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2002, 11:55:07 AM »

Try building a course no more that 6600 yards long that will still test today's top amateurs. It should be more interesting for all golfers.

« **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2002, 12:02:36 PM »

".....WHEN WORKING ON THEIR NEXT PROJECT."

Hmmmm,

that's a tough one.

Hmmm,

25 words or less---that's tough, tough, tough!

OK!

More site time--but beware of ticks!

« **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2002, 12:06:05 PM »

John

see Pine Valley Fenway, Quaker Ridge, Seminole and Inniscrone as examples off the top of my head that could play at 6600 yards and test top amateurs when set up properly. I think greens complexes must be severe and interesting to do this. Couple the severe greens with angles of play that make some shots feasible and others impossibly difficult and you could build a course to test anyone. In a modern course, Gil did this very well at Inniscrone and from what I read of the skins game held there, the top pros didn't light it up either. Applebrook would fit this category as well.

« **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2002, 12:09:30 PM »

send designers to Pasatiempo to see a very long playing 6400yd course requiring shot making. send them to Hanse and C+C courses to show bunkering that are hazards!

« **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2002, 12:40:16 PM »

Hire locally.

« **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2002, 12:44:51 PM »

i'd personally like to see some flat-bottomed bunkers, in the mode of raynor/macd and silva at Black Creek.

(19 words)

« **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2002, 12:47:13 PM »

Yea fun, boo "challenge."

Economically Unwordy Huckaby

« **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2002, 12:55:38 PM »

25 words or fewer:

Affordable.

« **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2002, 01:00:31 PM »

Incorporate the ground game in to the design, limit irrigation capability to the point that fast and firm conditions are a neccesity.

« **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2002, 01:08:40 PM »

Stimulating, non-conventional fun.

« **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2002, 01:10:39 PM »

Simplicity, subtlety, economy, camaraderie

« **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2002, 01:11:00 PM »

Build the next tee close enough to the previous green that I don't need transportation to get to it.

« **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2002, 01:14:23 PM »

With all respect to Jeremy Glenn...

A course that can be played both forward and backward. Greens are tees and Tees are greens-- Whatdaya say, TEPaul's course could be the first! (my apologies for going over the limit)

« **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2002, 01:17:37 PM »

No white stakes. Good golf cheap.

« **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2002, 01:33:46 PM »

Build a few putting surfaces that slope away from the line of play.

« **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2002, 02:13:54 PM »

Please consider a suggestion box to be placed subtly at the end of the 18th hole, so that players can input potential future positive changes.

« **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2002, 02:26:03 PM »

Under 50 bucks and no cart paths

« **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2002, 02:48:56 PM »

Build it on a barge with the 175 Golfweek raters and MacWood at the helm....christen with a bottle of listerine....push like hell...run.

« **Reply #19 on:** March 13, 2002, 02:50:18 PM »

Earthmoving – necessary and worthwhile as it is – should be a last resort, not your first idea, for providing your course with strategy and aesthetics.

24 words.

« **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2002, 05:14:06 PM »

I was just gonna say that!!! Less landmovement, more subtlety and undulation, more minimalism, more natural features, costs less than $20, and more charactor!!!

« **Reply #21 on:** March 13, 2002, 05:51:10 PM »

25 words or less:

"THe 17th hole should be the signature hole and feature an island green."

No seriously, I can do it in three words: "Hard and fast"

« **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2002, 05:55:04 PM »

Shivas,

That, and pro golfers general disdain for the use of adverbs. There's nothing lack the double-wammy "I hit it real good" to make even a francophone like myself cringe.

Oh well, I'm sure we don't always talk proper.

Let he who is without sin...

« **Reply #23 on:** March 13, 2002, 06:28:38 PM »

Love one another and drain your site.

« **Reply #24 on:** March 13, 2002, 07:49:24 PM »

Quote

The closet journalist/writer in me is coming out - but, it's "25 or fewer", not less.

No, Shiv.

Nice try. It is DEFINITELY "25 words or less".

**

COCONUT TELEGRAPH
By Jimmy Buffett

Tuesday on the island
Not much goin' on
The parties are all over
They ended just past dawn
But the jungle drums are beating
With the tales from late last night
Cause the stories bear repeating
For everyones delight

Chorus
You can hear it on the coconut telegraph
Can't keep nothin' under their hat
You can hear 'em on the coconut telegraph
Sayin' who did dis and dat
Dis and dat dis and dat

Now I'm not one to deal in gossip
But was he that big of fool?
To do a belly buster high dive
And miss the entire pool?
Now what's the word on sweet Melissa?
And the kid nobody knew
Did Ricardo ever find her?
I swear it's just between me and you

Chorus
You can hear it on the coconut telegraph
By now everybody knows
You can hear it on the coconut telegraph
Just who comes and goes
Comes and goes comes and goes

It's humpday on the island
And the lines have all gone dead
All the juicy news is history
I guess everything's been said
But when the eagle flies on Friday
And the boys break out the rum
Then the joint begins to jumpin'
And you'll hear those hot lines hum

Chorus
Put it on the coconut telegraph
All the celebration and the stress
Put it on the coconut telegraph
In tewnty-five words or less

***

If you can work it out, let me and Mr. Buffett know.

"Put it on the coconut telegraph
Toes in the sand drinking Dewar's
Put in on the coconut telegraph
In 25 words. Or fewers."

LOL

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