I love both of the courses.
Appreciate the tact in your response, pardner. What sort of Doak number would you give each? How many Fazio and Dye courses have you played?? How would you split ten plays from the tippy tips???
Gotta amend your last sentence, George, and break it up into a few more:
"Have you played Fazio courses from all parts of the country? As one who travels a good bit and hits the ball a long ways, could you list the course rating and slope from the tips? How would you split ten plays? Thanks!"
I also found VN to be incredibly hard, probably the hardest I've ever played. Certainly it was the tightest driving course I've ever played, edging out Primland. I believe I noted that there were only a few driver holes on the course, it was so narrow, #6 and #9, and maybe #10. I tried hitting driver on the par 5 3rd, only to block it slightly and it was long gone. Hit 3-iron off the tee on re-tee, and proceeded to birdie that ball for a 6
. A slightly blocked tee shot on the long par 4 14th went into the hlll on the right. Only a few holes have some room off the narrow fairways and it's often on only one side.