Architects rating architects

[THuckaby2]

DW:  the big guy's name was Casey Calvary.  Their big men this year were as good as him, really - but he was a big loss in any case.

Right on re the past 3 years being irrelevant to this year, anyway.  One of the joys of this year's tournament is I don't have to hear "name the teams that have been to the Sweet 16 each of the last 3 years" any more!

And TEP, well, you know, college hoops has no place here, correct.  Us devotees just do need an outlet this time of year.  It's March Madness!

I shall be in attendance at the West Regional in San Jose this evening.  Yahooooo!

Rick S.:  LOVED your Flynn take.  I bow in defeat!  

TH

[THuckaby2]

DW:  the big guy's name was Casey Calvary.  Their big men this year were as good as him, really - but he was a big loss in any case.

Right on re the past 3 years being irrelevant to this year, anyway.  One of the joys of this year's tournament is I don't have to hear "name the teams that have been to the Sweet 16 each of the last 3 years" any more!

And TEP, well, you know, college hoops has no place here, correct.  Us devotees just do need an outlet this time of year.  It's March Madness!

I shall be in attendance at the West Regional in San Jose this evening.  Yahooooo!

Rick S.:  LOVED your Flynn take.  I bow in defeat!  

TH

[TEPaul]

Jeeesus, Rick, that's unbelievable! Do you have any idea how to save or copy this topic somewhere that it can't be competely lost in cyberspace. That post of yours must survive somehow!

The USGA needs to consider putting your post into their US Open program for Shinnie under the "Architect's" section. I'm not sure if Jim Finegan will be writing that one as he did the last one but he's got to see your post anyway. Shinnecock has got to see it too before they complete their Open prep restoration! They may need to make some last minute alterations!

Whose doing the Open restoration anyway? Is it Fazio/MacDonald & Co? God, I hope it's not that MacDonald & Co again--I don't think they'll know the difference between real molestation and puffy upholestry!

Save it! Whew, we can't lose that one!

[Ed_Baker]

My father was not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he always told me to be suspicious of men wearing black dresses that hide their hands when they walk!

My nomination would be William Flynn, he had to be a catholic, how many Flynns were episcopalians in that era? (Although we know that the Episcopal church is the true church,it has to be, Henry founded it so he could kill one wife and bed another and he didn't have to confess to anyone, reason enough to start a new religion!)

Anyway Flynns molester, or should I say initial molester, was his third grade religion teacher named Father Peter. Appropo.
Flynn was caught drawing a diagram of a long dogleg left par 4 cape hole that Father Peter misinterpeted as a giant phallus. Needless to say he became so excited he popped his collar and for the next several weeks during detention the boy was instructed in the functions of the rod and the staff according to the gospel of Father Peter. Flynn also learned the rudiments of the importance of drainage during these sessions. Flynn took his instuction with the stoic,solitary guilt of a good catholic, but he did develop the strange habit of sitting in the baptismal sink when ever he got a chance and  in sing-song latin said 25 Acts of Contrition while simultaneously juggling the offering plates with diagrams of golf holes. He also was known to mutter "my name is Bill, not Helen," when not otherwise occupied. Flynn developed a first class impression of Cardinal Cushing who had actually died quite some time before he left office.

As we all know Flynn grew to be a respected member of society and revealed no outward scars from his ordeal, although he never turned his back on an excavation crew even when sighting bunkers.

[John_Conley]

Wiggles:

Did you see Gonzaga?  Their big men were very good this year.  I know you are depressed because Michigan has been buried under the Spartans for as long as most care to remember, but when you want to spout facts - at least get them right.

Gonzaga's first 5 games:
Loss to Illinois at Illinois
Beat NCAA bound Montana
Great AK Shootout where they beat TX, St. Johns
Lost to Marquette in the final.

That is 3-2 versus NCAA tournament teams, not 1-3.  Don't count the Wyoming loss, as 64 teams will end their season to an NCAA qualifier.  If you won't count it against Duke, Maryland, or Kansas, don't count it against Gonzaga.  

Their conference schedule is what it is.  They went 2-1 versus the L.A. Champions. and swept the rest.  Don't kid yourself.  Michigan State would NOT have gone 28-3 with anybody's schedule.

"History is irrelevant?"  Not when scheduling.  You cannot fault a team for scheduling a perennial power several years in advance and then catching them in a down year.  Gonzaga defeated Washington, Washington State, Fresno State (picked to be Top 15 in most preseason pubs), St. Joes (consensus Top 25 preseason), and New Mexico.

Marquette?  

"If you eliminate pre-season tournaments?"  Why would you do that?  Sure, if you eliminate Maryland's win over Duke it isn't as impressive either.  Tennessee, Indiana, and Gonzaga showed up to play, tried, and lost to Marquette.  Where's the fraud.

Good teams beat the teams they should beat.  The only ding on Marquette's resume was a loss the second time they played E. Carolina - and we all know that conference games are tough, especially on the road, because coaches can make adjustments.

My only point is that FRAUD is way too powerful of a word.  Any team NOT in the Top 10 when Marquette was had holes just as big that needed to be overlooked.  If Florida and Illinois were so good, why did they lose so much?

[Rick Shefchik]

Well, we seem to be reaching a consensus on the who. Now let's hope this thread survives long enough for us to pin down the how and the why.

I was going to suggest that the Doyen could join Ed, Tom H. and me at PV for a foursome, but given the nature of this thread, I'll try to think of another way to put that.

Rick

[THuckaby2]

I was going to suggest that the Doyen could join Ed, Tom H. and me at PV for a foursome, but given the nature of this thread, I'll try to think of another way to put that.

Rick

ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!!

How do I put in a smiley of a guy whiping tears of laughter away?

That one made my day, Rick.

TH

[Tom MacWood (Guest)]

David
Cinti, Gonzaga and Marquette are frauds? I hate Cinti, but Cinti was loaded with talent and was defeated by a very talented and hot UCLA in double OT. Gonzaga was a 6th seed, who would've been better off not bitching so much. But they were for real playing tough at Illinios before falling behind late, beat Texas and St.Johns. And Marquette beat Indiana and Cinti - they were a very solid team. Their league with Cinti, Memephis and Louisville isn't exactly the sisters of the poor. I'm a huge Big 10 fan, but the league has never been weaker. How do you explain a very mediocre OSU team winning the regular season and tournament championship? Any one of those three teams could've challenged for the Big Ten title and Cinti would have walked away with it - I hate to admit. I suppose Kent and S.Illinois are frauds too because of their leagues. The parody has never been greater and just about anyone can beat anyone else on a given night. Holy Cross almost beat Kansas and they will probably win it all - I guess in the end there is only one team that will not be a fraud. I don't think the anology works.

[Richard_Goodale]

So THAT's what "in like Flynn" means!

[Dan Kelly]

Dang! I've been actually working all day (occasionally ruing the demise of Floppy McChokelstien) -- and all the while, THIS was going on! And I've missed it!

(My 10-year-old daughter's here at my office, and she just now said: "You're gonna start laughing again, aren't you?" I guess I won't be telling her why.)

Yes, ladies (if any) and gentlemen (if any), I've been doing an unreasonable amount of laughing, here in my palatial corner-of-the-newsroom quarters.

Gosh, I'm sorry I missed out on the contest -- especially 'cause I've heard that Pine Valley is a pretty good track, considering it was designed primarily by a man who allegedly was never molested by a clergyman of any faith.

Tom I, Tom IV, Rick & Ed: Please do send pictures from your "outing" at Pine Valley. I want to know if the place is as penile as it's cracked up to be.