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Tom Dunne

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"Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« on: April 17, 2010, 05:46:26 PM »
Hi, everyone. Over the past couple of years (!) several people on this site have periodically contacted me wondering about the status of this story--my "lost" T+L Golf feature. I always appreciated that, so I thought I'd post the link. It took a long time to get it in a format I was happy with, primarily because I wanted to do justice to my friend Oliver Pilcher's photography (http://www.oliverpilcher.com/), but here it is, complete with "retro" magazine-style layout.

Hope you enjoy.

http://out-and-back.net/?p=1994

Bill_McBride

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Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2010, 06:48:21 PM »
Hi, everyone. Over the past couple of years (!) several people on this site have periodically contacted me wondering about the status of this story--my "lost" T+L Golf feature. I always appreciated that, so I thought I'd post the link. It took a long time to get it in a format I was happy with, primarily because I wanted to do justice to my friend Oliver Pilcher's photography (http://www.oliverpilcher.com/), but here it is, complete with "retro" magazine-style layout.

Hope you enjoy.

http://out-and-back.net/?p=1994

Great article, Tom.  I've played the Spion Kops at Crail and Castlerock.  I really don't get the one at Castlerock as there's no climbing, but love that shot at Crail.

And I never knew the origin of the "Kruger" bunkers, Mr and Mrs.  Now I know, thanks!

BCrosby

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Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2010, 07:56:33 PM »
Delightful, Tom. Thanks. Well done, though I assume you understand that by posting your "lost" Spion Kop piece it will now never attain the iconic status of Raynor's "lost" drawings for Cypress. Because you had that going for you. ;)

Bob

Neil_Crafter

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Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2010, 09:55:38 PM »
Really enjoyed this article Tom, what a shame it just missed seeing the light of day in T&L.
here's a couple more pics of the Spion Kop at Flinders that I thought you might like.
cheers Neil

View from tee of Niagara hole with the green in the foreground. The Spion Kop tee can be seen beyond playing up over the cliff at right.


View from opposite direction showing Spion Kop tee in foreground playing left over cliff, with Niagara green behind. You can see why Mackenzie wanted to dispense with these holes!

Jason McNamara

Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2010, 11:55:28 PM »
Tom, thanks to you and Oliver for making available an absolutely fantastic piece. 

Now I wonder whether there's more than just the one golf hole named for Tel-El-Kebir.

Sean_A

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Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2010, 04:42:18 AM »
Tom

I really enjoyed this piece.  Its great when history and golf collide - as it always does - but it takes a willing sleuth such as yourself to find the puzzle and put together.  

It is interesting that you stuck with "name only" SKs.  The wildest one I have seen is called Crow's Nest - http://shiskinegolf.com/gallery.html

A proper Spion Kop is the ultimate in penal architecture.  Get it right or suffer.  These Americanized versions of the real thing just don't cut it.

Ciao
« Last Edit: April 19, 2010, 05:58:24 AM by Sean Arble »
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2010, 05:56:05 AM »
Thanks Tom.... That was a great read...

Bill_McBride

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Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2010, 07:01:56 AM »
Tom

I really enjoyed this piece.  Its great when history and golf collide - as it always does - but it takes a willing sleuth such as yourself to find the puzzle and put together.  

It is interesting that you stuck with "name only" SKs.  The wildest one I have seen is called Crow's Nest - http://shiskinegolf.com/gallery.html

A proper Spion Kop is the ultimate in penal architecture.  Get it right or suffer.  These Americanized versions of the real thing just don't cut it.

Ciao

Sean, what are some examples of American versions?   Only #9 at the Road comes readily to mind!

Sean_A

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Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2010, 07:06:27 AM »
Tom

I really enjoyed this piece.  Its great when history and golf collide - as it always does - but it takes a willing sleuth such as yourself to find the puzzle and put together.  

It is interesting that you stuck with "name only" SKs.  The wildest one I have seen is called Crow's Nest - http://shiskinegolf.com/gallery.html

A proper Spion Kop is the ultimate in penal architecture.  Get it right or suffer.  These Americanized versions of the real thing just don't cut it.

Ciao

Sean, what are some examples of American versions?   Only #9 at the Road comes readily to mind!

Bill

Thats just it.  I saw some nominees in another thread, but they were all groomed and manicured - essentially just raised greens.  There wasn't any sense of doom if one didn't pull the shot off.  These aren't bad holes.  I like to call them Do or Don't Die.

Ciao
« Last Edit: April 19, 2010, 12:37:59 PM by Sean Arble »
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Jim Colton

Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2010, 12:33:49 PM »
How steep is the climb up to the 7th green at Old Mac?  Does it qualify as a Spion Kop?  What if Tom & Jim hadn't lopped off the top 20 feet of the dune?

Well done, Tom.

David_Tepper

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Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2010, 01:48:10 PM »
« Last Edit: April 19, 2010, 01:53:12 PM by David_Tepper »

Brent Hutto

Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2010, 01:57:40 PM »
How about 16th (par-4) at Brora as a Spion Kop?

It's gotta be.

Tom Dunne

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Re: "Leave Trolleys Here For Spion Kop"
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2010, 12:29:35 AM »
Neil Crafter,

Thanks for the vintage photos. That was a "Bad Kop", indeed.

Sean,

I focused my research on name-only SKs because I was really hoping to find a formal connection between at least some of them. That didn't happen. But in a way that makes the story even more interesting--the sheer number of clubs that have Kop holes (I highlighted a large handful, but found at least three dozen around the world) that are similar in design, yet without an obvious popularizing influence. The major point in common was that most were clubs that were either founded or had their courses formalized in the first decade of the 20th century.

Viewed in the light of that recent and traumatic event, the Spion Kop begins to look like essentially an emergent and vernacular "style" of hole as opposed to a formal element of golf architecture's canon. I find that to be a very interesting distinction. The last piece of research I included before filing the story was what I learned from Howard Nunan at Crowborough Beacon--that they'd only named their 5th hole Spion Kop within the past twenty or thirty years. It's ironic that the hole that launched the entire story for me was a "neo-Kop". At first I was a bit disappointed, but over time I came to think of it as being altogether in keeping with the informal and localized ways in which historical memory manifests itself. Someone at a tiny club in Lincolnshire could wake up tomorrow and decide to name a hole Spion Kop and it would be a very long time before anyone thought twice about it. The funny thing is, the hole chosen would probably fit in pretty well with the several dozen others that already carry the name.
 
David Tepper,

Brora #16 definitely presents a Kop-like vista from the tee. I've never been to Brora and can't tell from the second photo if the green tilts from back to front. I consider this a key ingredient to a good SK, as many people tend to press on severely uphill shots and come up thin. It leaves a difficult recovery for those who run through the green. On the other hand, I also agree with Sean that there should be trouble of some kind short of the green. Crail has gorse, Edzell has a false front and bunkers, Craigie Hill has broken ground. I think the last is the best of the three as it is perhaps the closest symbolic representation of the Boer War ascent. The shot is an uphill chip and run, but maybe you're playing it from a sketchy lie, something a little rutted and sparse in turf coverage. That would be my ideal, at least. I consider Craigie Hill's to be the best Spion Kop that I have ever seen, but the only hard and fast rule is that the hole gives you a mountain to climb.

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