News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Jim Nugent

Re: Augusta's Front Nine Par 3s
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2010, 01:56:12 AM »
In the 1934 Tournament Program, the greens shapes for 4 and 6 look like mirrors of each other. 

Neil, you made a key point about Mac's hole descriptions.  He was already dead when they held the first Masters.  The comments are so identical, it looks like ANGC edited Mac's AG article, published in 1932, two or so years earlier. 

BTW, once again Roberts and Jones seem to show their dishonesty.  They don't pay Mazkenzie, they use his course (to great acclaim) to hold their annual major tournament -- one they counted so important they turned down a U.S. Open to hold it -- even after he is dead they use what he wrote about it to help promote/describe the tournament/course, and they change what he said to boot. 

Neil_Crafter

  • Total Karma: 0
Re: Augusta's Front Nine Par 3s
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2010, 02:16:34 AM »
Jim
yes, glad you picked up on that. Just seems someone changed the text to put it into the past tense from the future tense. Odds on that the powers that were at ANGC made the switch. Certainly not honest.

cary lichtenstein

  • Total Karma: -1
Re: Augusta's Front Nine Par 3s
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2010, 04:09:43 PM »
#4 I had a 25 footer for birdie, made double bogey, just like that :'(

#6 great green, the back right pin is awesum. Really have to hit a draw, and land it in the fringe just short and to the right of the pin. Almost impossible. I have seen great shots end with double bogies. Great place to sit and watch many groups go thru. Viewing are is terrific on this hole
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Tiger_Bernhardt

  • Total Karma: 0
Re: Augusta's Front Nine Par 3s
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2010, 11:18:46 PM »
I must confess I do not see any redan in 6 nor Eden in 4. However both are so good. I find 6 to be one of those holes at ANGC I can spend the days what them play. I will say it is not 7 or 14 for the short game creativity. But so fu to watch. 4 is just so dam hard.

TEPaul

Re: Augusta's Front Nine Par 3s
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2010, 09:10:26 AM »
I can definitely see a bit of the architectural genes of the Eden hole in #4 and the redan in #6 in those drawings above, and if Mackenzie said it he obviously wasn't whistling Dixie.

I also recall hearing or reading that Mackenzie apparently sent Marion Hollins to ANGC in his stead a time or two. Who knows something about that?

Neil_Crafter

  • Total Karma: 0
Re: Augusta's Front Nine Par 3s
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2010, 09:32:01 AM »
TE
I believe he sent Marion Hollins once to my knowledge. He was still owed money by ANGC and think he couldn't afford to go from CA to GA, and so asked Marion if she would go in his place. He said to ANGC that she knew as much about building golf courses and architecture as anyone, and of course she was known to Jones. What the ANGC people thought of this I can only wonder. They still owe him money.

TEPaul

Re: Augusta's Front Nine Par 3s
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2010, 11:06:44 AM »
Neil:

Thanks for that on Marion Hollins. That pretty much completely squares with what I remember hearing or reading. How much do you know about Marion Hollins? Have you ever read her biography? If not we should make it available to you. She was a totally amazing person in all kinds of ways and she had more friends all over the world than just about anyone I've ever heard of. To say she was definitely a person "on-the-go" at all times is putting it very mildly.

Chip Gaskins

  • Total Karma: 0
Re: Augusta's Front Nine Par 3s
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2010, 11:53:01 AM »
TE
I believe he sent Marion Hollins once to my knowledge. He was still owed money by ANGC and think he couldn't afford to go from CA to GA, and so asked Marion if she would go in his place. He said to ANGC that she knew as much about building golf courses and architecture as anyone, and of course she was known to Jones. What the ANGC people thought of this I can only wonder. They still owe him money.

Two things..

Wonder what Roberts thought about Hollins coming instead of Mackenzie

Do you know for a fact they never paid Mackenzie?  I know we all talk about that fact, but is there proof?  If so, that seems like something that the current club would want to fix.  How much is owed?  And if they were to try and fix it would they pay it to Mackenzie's estate or relatives or the Mackenzie Society, etc?