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Was there any word on whether they were considering making the ball bigger. Also, I don't think that a ball rollback would cause players to quit the game. A 25 yard loss in distance for a tour player might only equate to a 5-10 yard decrease for the average player, hardly a noticeable drop for joe public but substantial enough to bring a lot more classic courses back into play for the top 1%.
When a majority of golfers can't hit the ball either consistently long or straight - no matter what ball they're using - why would anyone quit the game if a shorter ball was mandated? Is there any logic in this statement?
Quote from: Thomas McQuillan on March 29, 2010, 06:20:08 pmWas there any word on whether they were considering making the ball bigger. Also, I don't think that a ball rollback would cause players to quit the game. A 25 yard loss in distance for a tour player might only equate to a 5-10 yard decrease for the average player, hardly a noticeable drop for joe public but substantial enough to bring a lot more classic courses back into play for the top 1%.Thomas,I think you miss the main point. There are many on this website that don't want to give up the improvement in their games that they got from the new ball. Although they may have gained a little distance, the real thing that would be hard to give up is the straight flight of the new ball. They always could have had a straighter ball flight by playing a TopFlite or Pinnacle, but they could not get the spin they wanted from those balls. Now they have the best of both worlds. Straight and spin. I say shame on the USGA and the R&A.
I know there are mathematical formulae for ball speed vs distance, but I suspect the "average" player isn't going to lose 5-10 yards, not with his "average" 85 mph club head speed and off center hits. Titleist may say there is but I am dubious.The ball was too long in 2003, why use that for the benchmark? Does "sell out" work?
Bill, just curious, but do you think the average player would lose more or less than 5-10 yds? It was just an educated guess on my behalf. Players are miss-hitting the current version of the ball aswell. If you slowed down the initial velocity that the ball left the clubface at, would the difference between good and bad strikes not be smaller?Also, I always thought the manufacturers would make more money on a rollback with everyone having to buy new balls.
...However, in his subsequent remarks, he warned all the golf course architects that a shorter ball would be unpopular and might cause players to quit the game ...
Quote from: Tom_Doak on March 29, 2010, 06:13:21 pm...However, in his subsequent remarks, he warned all the golf course architects that a shorter ball would be unpopular and might cause players to quit the game ...Which begs the question since players are already quitting the game, might it not be because golf courses are too long and too expensive?
Chuck:I was not aware that the ruling bodies had assured manufacturers they would do nothing to the golf ball as long as the Tour driving distance stayed the same as 2002-3. That seemed to be what Mr. Otto was saying, although his voice was a few decibels lower at that point than for the rest of his talk.Michael:Mr. Otto did say that the R & A were against ANY difference in regulations between the pros and the rest of us.One other point where that came up was when Tom Mackenzie suggested limiting professional players to eight clubs. Mr. Otto expressed some interest in a rule like that ... because he does not want to see the advent of the 68-degree wedge that he held up to show us. He even suggested a letter-writing campaign to show support for such a rule. However, he also mentioned that the manufacturers would be apoplectic about the idea of selling sets of 8 clubs instead of 14.
When is the last time a PGA Tour pro bought a set of clubs from a manufacturer?
"Even though I would like to see it, I think the biggest risk is that manufacturers and players would ignore a ball rollback."Jason:No kidding! To my way of thinking that is the biggest concern for the USGA/R&A and the future of golf by a magnitude of God Only knows what.