Pre and Post Depression public and resort community courses

[Tom MacWood]

I think I was quite generous with Cobbs Creek....the Third 25 was a serious consideration.

[Mike Cirba]

Tom,

I'm not talking about Cobbs Creek as much as the whole shebang!    

Did you ever do any rating for Golf Digest? 

[Tom MacWood]

What course should I have included?

[Mike Cirba]

Tom,

It's fine.   It's your list...rank 'em as you see 'em.   

[Mike Cirba]

August 5th, 1928:

[DMoriarty]

Nothing like the unbiased opinion of the guy who just won a tournament at Cobbs from unbiased local paper cited by an unbiased commentator like Mike Cirba. 

But you claimed that it was a fact that Cobbs was the best and most difficult public course in the nation before Bethpage.  That was and is an asinine statement.  While you and Mr. Kaufman and the Philadelphia papers can think whatever you want, it is far from fact.   

And Mike, you should quit holding this thread up as one where you were unfairly picked on.   You deleted dozens of your own posts, many of which contained extremely nasty comments and insults.  You make a worse martyr than you do an unbiased commentator on matters relating to Hugh Wilson and Philadelphia golf.

[Mike Cirba]

Carl Kaufrmann won three US Public Links tournaments in a row between 1927 and 1929.

But I'm sure that David and Tom's opinion about how public golf courses were viewed in the 1920s from their 2011 vantage point is more personally informed and knowledgable one than Kauffmann's.    Same with Norman Maxwell below, who only won the North and South Amateur but who was obviously also misnformed and probably biased.

[Tom MacWood]

Mike
Speaking of trying to drive a thread into the gutter, I also recall you renaming this thread every other day. One of the more proactive attempts to ruin a thread in recent memory.

First 25
Harding Park (1925) - W.Watson & S.Whiting  (San Francisco, Ca)
Sharp Park (1931) - A.Mackenzie   (Pacifica, Ca)
Sunset Fields-South (1927) - B.Bell  (Los Angeles, Ca)
Jacksonville Muni (1923) - D.Ross  (Jacksonville, Fl)
Opa Locka (1927) - W.Flynn  (Miami, Fl)
Pickwick (1927) - J.Roseman  (Glenview, Il)
Coffin (1920) - W.Diddell  (Indianapolis, In)
Mount Pleasant (1933) - G.Hook  (Baltimore, Md)
Belvedere (1925) - W.Watson  (Charlevoix, Mi)
Colony (1935) - CH.Alison (Algonac, Mi)
Keller (1929) - P.Coates  (St. Paul, Mn)
Gulf Hills (1927) - J.Daray  (Biloxi, Ms)
Cooper River (1929) - D.Emmet & A.Tull  (Camden, NJ)
Bayside (1930) - A. Mackernzie  (Bayside, NY)
Bethpage-Red (1935) - A.Tillinghast  (Farmingdale, NY)
Bethpage-Blue (1935) - A.Tillinghast  (Farmingdale, NY)
Starmount Forest (1930) - W.Stiles & J.VanKleek  (Greensboro, NC)
Mill Creek (1928) - D.Ross  (Youngstown, Oh)
Twin Hills (1926) - P.Maxwell (Oklahoma City, Ok)
Eastmoreland (1918) - H.Egan  (Portland, Or)
Hershey Park (1931) - M.McCarthy  (Hershey, Pa)
Beaver Tail (1925) - A.Tillinghast  (Jamestown, RI)
Memorial Park (1935) - J.Bredemus  (Houston, Tx)
Indian Canyon (1935) - H.Egan  (Spokane, Wa)
Lawsonia (1930) - W.Langford  (Green Lake, Wi)

Second 25
Griffith Park-Wilson (1915/1923) - T.Bendelow & G.Thomas   (Los Angeles, Ca)
Griffith Park-Harding (1915/1925) - T. Bendelow & G.Thomas  (Los Angeles, Ca)
Sunset Fields-North (1928) - B.Bell  (Los Angeles, Ca)
Patty Jewett (1898/1917) - W.Campbell & W.Watson  (Colorado Springs, Co)
Cleveland Heights (1925) - W.Flynn  (Lakeland, Fl)
Miami Muni (1922) - W.Langford  (Hialeah, Fl)
Pasadena (1925) - W.Stiles, J.VanKleek & W.Hagen  (St. Petersburg, Fl)
Big Run (1930) - H.Smead  (Lockport, Il)
Cog Hill #2 (1926) - D.McIntosh  (Lemont, Il)
Sandy Hollow (1930) - C.Wagstaff  (Rockford, Il)
Waveland (1901) - W.Dickinson  (Des Moines, Ia)
Franconia Park (1929) - W.Stiles & J.VanKleek  (Springfield, Ma)
Cascades (1929) - T.Bendelow  (Jackson, Mi)
Armour Park (1925) - W.Clark  (Minneapolis, Mn)
Swope Park (1915/1934) - J.Dagleish & A.Tillinghast  (Kansas City, Mo)
Green Lakes (1936) - RT.Jones  (Syracuse, NY)
Salisbury Links (1908) - D.Emmet  (Garden City, NY)
Split Rock (1935) - J.VanKleek  (Bronx, NY)
Ridgewood (1924) - S.Alves  (Parma, Oh)
Tam O'Shanter-Dales (1928) - L.Macomber  (Canton, Oh)
Cobbs Creek (1916) - H.Wilson   (Philadelphia, Pa)
Tam O'Shanter, Pa (1929) - E.Loeffler  (Hermitage, Pa)
Triggs Memorial (1933) - D.Ross  (Providence, RI)
Tenison Park (1924) - S.Cooper & J.Burke  (Dallas, Tx)
Brown Deer (1929) - G.Hansen  (Milwaukee, Wi)

Third 25
Haggins Oak (1932) - A.Mackenzie   (Sacramento, Ca)
Lake Chabot (1923) - W.Locke   (Oakland, Ca)
Brookside Muni (1928) - B.Bell  (Pasadena, Ca)
Montebello Park (1928) - M.Behr  (Montebello, Ca)
Savannah Muni (1926) - D.Ross  (Savannah, Ga)
Idaho Falls Muni (1934) - W.Tucker & F.James  (Idaho Falls, Id)
Glencoe (1921) - G.O'Neil  (Glencoe, Il)
Palos Park (1919) - T.Bendelow  (Palos Park, Il)
St. Andrews (1926) - E.Dearie  (W.Chicago, Il)
Beechwood (1931) - W.Diddell  (LaPorte, In)
Erskine Park (1925) - G.O'Neil  (South Bend, In)
Seneca (1935) - A.McKay  (Louisville, Ky)
Riverside Muni (1931) - W.Stiles  (Portland, Me)
Rackham (1924) - D.Ross  (Detroit, Mi)
Meadowbrook (1926) - J.Foulis  (Minneapolis, Mn)
Forest Park (1912) - R.Foulis  (St. Louis, Mo)
La Tourette (1929/1934) - D.Rees & J.VanKleek  (Staten Island, NY)
Asheville Muni (1927) - D.Ross  (Asheville, NC)
Community (1912) - W.Hoare  (Dayton, Oh)
Highland Park-New (1928) - S.Alves  (Cleveland, Oh)
North Park (1933) - E.Loeffler & J.McGlynn  (Allison Park, Pa)
Stevens Park (1924) – J.Bredemus  (Dallas, TX)
Brackenridge Park (1916) - A.Tillinghast  (San Antonio, Tx)
Jackson Park (1930) - W.Tucker & F.James  (Seattle, Wa)
Janesville Muni (1924) - RB.Harris  (Janesville, Wi)

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[Mike Cirba]

Tom,

Don't worry...be happy.  

And with that, I'll leave it up to you and David Moriarty to make up your own modern versions of history on the fly.   I'm sure with your respective talents you'll rewrite the books and turn the golf world on its head! 

Enjoy!!  

[Tom MacWood]

Mike
You should have taken your own advice while this thread was chugging along. Do you remember some of these gems:

Re: ,

Re: Parasitic Symbiosis, or Live, From the Circle J Ranch

Re: Puzzling Public Course Confusion, Clutter, and Obfuscation

Re: A list of important public and resort community courses to 1936 by Tom MacWood

Re: Public courses to 1936 - NOW with Sharp Park history!

You were wound tighter than a two dollar watch. You need get your mind in the right place by listening to a little of Rockmovya.

[Mike Cirba]

Tom,

Thanks for reminding me...even today I struggle to decide which of those titles is most apt! 

[Jason Topp]

Tom:

In Minneapolis I would list Gross ahead of Meadowbrook by a pretty large margin.

[Tom MacWood]

Tom:

In Minneapolis I would list Gross ahead of Meadowbrook by a pretty large margin.

Gross is listed ahead of Meadowbrook. Gross was called Armour Park in 1936.

[Jason Topp]

Tom:

In Minneapolis I would list Gross ahead of Meadowbrook by a pretty large margin.

Gross is listed ahead of Meadowbrook. Gross was called Armour Park in 1936.

Thanks!