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Ally Mcintosh

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Lost Ball courses
« on: March 09, 2010, 01:01:22 PM »
At which of the Top 100 courses is it easiest to lose a lot of balls?... that "annoyance" (A.MacKenzie) that we could do without...
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Sean Leary

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2010, 01:05:38 PM »
Royal Portrush, Prairie Dunes and Kiawah Ocean come to mind of the ones I have played..
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Thomas McQuillan

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 01:07:58 PM »
TPC Sawgrass if you count hitting it in a water hazard as losing it.
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Phil Benedict

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2010, 01:24:18 PM »
Quote from: Thomas McQuillan on March 09, 2010, 01:07:58 PM
TPC Sawgrass if you count hitting it in a water hazard as losing it.

From a  monetary standpoint water is just as bad as any other way to lose a ball.

I think courses should lose rating points if the architecture presents a high incidence of lost ball hazards/opportunities.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2010, 01:30:56 PM »
Victoria National
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Thomas McQuillan

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2010, 01:32:36 PM »
Quote from: Phil Benedict on March 09, 2010, 01:24:18 PM
Quote from: Thomas McQuillan on March 09, 2010, 01:07:58 PM
TPC Sawgrass if you count hitting it in a water hazard as losing it.

From a  monetary standpoint water is just as bad as any other way to lose a ball.

I think courses should lose rating points if the architecture presents a high incidence of lost ball hazards/opportunities.

They don't force you to lose a ball or hit it into the water. Usually, the closer you hit to trouble, the bigger the reward. They should be awarded extra points if there is a decent amount of strategy involved.
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Anthony Gray

Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2010, 01:33:23 PM »
Quote from: Scott_Burroughs on March 09, 2010, 01:30:56 PM
Victoria National

  Three sleeves.

  Anthony

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jonathan_becker

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2010, 01:36:04 PM »
There are spots at Whistling Straits where you could hurt yourself searching for balls.  Some of those slopes are not to be traversed.

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Jeff Martz

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2010, 01:36:35 PM »
I spent a bit of time looking in the long stuff at Crystal Downs.  (Hmm... an Alister MacKenzie course)
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Anthony Gray

Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2010, 01:42:49 PM »

 A friend lost 13 at The Honors.

  ARG

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Brad Tufts

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2010, 01:43:42 PM »
Princeville...and you can't even look for it the stuff is so thick.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2010, 01:45:37 PM »
Idaho Club in Sandpoint, ID

Beautiful golf course, easily one of the most gorgeous I've played...but if you're off the fairway, on most holes its gone!!  And there are forced carries a=plenty as well to gobble them up!!    I've never had more fun shooting ~110.  ;)
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Mark Pearce

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2010, 01:50:07 PM »
Muirfield in a warm, damp summer.  Members don't even bother looking for balls hit in the deep rough.
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Bill Rocco

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2010, 02:02:14 PM »
Sandwich Hollows, a little known course in Massachusetts. The fairways are thin, there is little rough and the woods are not cleaned out.
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Scott Warren

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2010, 02:11:02 PM »
St Enodoc
Prince's
Sandwich
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Thomas McQuillan

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2010, 02:12:25 PM »
Quote from: Bill Rocco on March 09, 2010, 02:02:14 PM
Sandwich Hollows, a little known course in Massachusetts. The fairways are thin, there is little rough and the woods are not cleaned out.

Notice the line saying 'At which of the Top 100 Courses....
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Niall C

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2010, 02:15:02 PM »
Quote from: Mark Pearce on March 09, 2010, 01:50:07 PM
Muirfield in a warm, damp summer.  Members don't even bother looking for balls hit in the deep rough.

Mark

I remember when Craighead just opened and the members used to say the same about it. Funny, you don't seem to hear that comment so much now. Has the rough been cut back ?

Niall
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Phil_the_Author

Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2010, 02:34:48 PM »
One needs a LOT of balls when playing Bethpage Black...  ;D
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Matthew Petersen

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2010, 03:29:50 PM »
Quote from: Brad Tufts on March 09, 2010, 01:43:42 PM
Princeville...and you can't even look for it the stuff is so thick.

Very true. You'd be as likely to find a dinosaur as your ball in some of that stuff.

Also, pretty much every course in Arizona.  ;D
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Jim Tang

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2010, 03:36:14 PM »
Royal County Down, with all the blind shots and long grass.  Still my all time favorite golf course!
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Ron Csigo

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2010, 03:43:41 PM »
Carnoustie, with the number of burns, thick gorse and rough as well as the out of bounds fences.  Playing on a day with a stiff wind doesn't help matters either.
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2010, 04:04:36 PM »
On the opening day at MPCC's Shore Course, Forrest Fezler, Mike Strantz's number two man,  lost two balls on the first two holes. For some weeks thereafter the rough was so high and  lush that  members were losing four or five balls a round. They stopped watering the rough and eventually lopped most of flora away making for a fair playing condition.

Bob
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Mark Pearce

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2010, 04:07:32 PM »
Quote from: Niall Carlton on March 09, 2010, 02:15:02 PM
Quote from: Mark Pearce on March 09, 2010, 01:50:07 PM
Muirfield in a warm, damp summer.  Members don't even bother looking for balls hit in the deep rough.

Mark

I remember when Craighead just opened and the members used to say the same about it. Funny, you don't seem to hear that comment so much now. Has the rough been cut back ?

Niall
Niall,

Yes, the rough has been very substantially cut back in the past few years. I know not many are but I'm a big fan of the Craighead.  Mind you, even with the rough cut back the CSS is rarely less than 77 (SSS is 74 at just over 6700 yards) so the course is very tough.  I can't imagine what it was like when it had miserable rough on top of the wind, some of the bunkering and those greens.  Medals must have been an endurance event and the course as little fun as golf can be.  Now, I choose to play it almost, if not more, than Balcomie.
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Jaeger Kovich

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2010, 04:13:55 PM »
The Old Course is not a friend of the banana ball...
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Sean Leary

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Re: Lost Ball courses
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2010, 04:23:06 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on March 09, 2010, 01:45:37 PM
Idaho Club in Sandpoint, ID

Beautiful golf course, easily one of the most gorgeous I've played...but if you're off the fairway, on most holes its gone!!  And there are forced carries a=plenty as well to gobble them up!!    I've never had more fun shooting ~110.  ;)

Top 100 in Idaho, for sure.. ;)
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