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Jay Flemma

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This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« on: March 03, 2010, 03:14:21 PM »
Lets start a thread of some really ugly golf holes...just for fun.

How about this mess?  On a par-5 on Tour no less.  So either go for it in two, or play way around to the right, laying up.  Everyone was screaming at Rickie Fowler for not going for the green during the 4th round....I also hate the bunkering: one tiny pit, one beach...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cfNB9BdzID0/S4x_86jE0xI/AAAAAAAAHWc/JmxhZFckTDU/s1600-h/15th.jpg

But of course, if some announcer said, "man this hole is ugly" they'd be forced to apologize:)
« Last Edit: March 03, 2010, 03:16:12 PM by Jay Flemma »
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Adam Clayman

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2010, 03:28:38 PM »
Ponds in desert landscapes, what more could a ball manufacturer ask for?
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Emil Weber

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2010, 03:37:00 PM »
Someone posted this pic a while ago.... if thats not the ugliest course in the world.... ???
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Carr Harris

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2010, 03:48:33 PM »


Here is a picture that Jonathan Becker and I took at a local Muni last November. The esteemed 11th @ Chippewa...Pretty horrid!!! ;D
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Matthew Sander

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2010, 04:00:28 PM »
Quote from: Emil Weber on March 03, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Someone posted this pic a while ago.... if thats not the ugliest course in the world.... ???

But you forgot to point out the tastefully understated clubhouse ;D
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Eric Smith

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2010, 04:02:20 PM »


« Last Edit: March 03, 2010, 04:07:13 PM by Eric Smith »
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Matthew Petersen

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2010, 04:09:29 PM »
Quote from: Jay Flemma on March 03, 2010, 03:14:21 PM
Lets start a thread of some really ugly golf holes...just for fun.

How about this mess?  On a par-5 on Tour no less.  So either go for it in two, or play way around to the right, laying up.  Everyone was screaming at Rickie Fowler for not going for the green during the 4th round....I also hate the bunkering: one tiny pit, one beach...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cfNB9BdzID0/S4x_86jE0xI/AAAAAAAAHWc/JmxhZFckTDU/s1600-h/15th.jpg

But of course, if some announcer said, "man this hole is ugly" they'd be forced to apologize:)

I'll agree it's an ugly-looking hole from above. But it's strategically better than it looks based on the weirdness of the area aroudn the green.

I could certainly do without the pot bunker. The steep runoff to the hazard beyond it is far more dramatic.
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Matthew Rose

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2010, 04:23:29 PM »


This is from a forgettable Rees Jones track in Orlando called Falcon's Fire. I played this years ago on vacation there on a recommendation from hotel personnel.... we decided not to take any more advice from them.

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Mac Plumart

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2010, 04:25:51 PM »
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Mac Plumart

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2010, 04:29:00 PM »
This was one of the ugliest sites on a golf course...

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Mac Plumart

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2010, 04:39:17 PM »


In all seriousness, this one should fit the bill...sorry for the last post...I'm in a good mood and I might have gotten carried away.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2010, 04:53:48 PM »
Quote from: Dschmidt on March 03, 2010, 04:48:26 PM
Well, that's the worst looking hole I ever saw.  I'll bet you get a free bowl of soup with that hole.

The funny part is that (a) second base is a little off kilter and (b) look at those mowing lines around 3rd base compared to 1st!!  ;)

But you've got to admit it is more of a diamond than most diamonds that are square.
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George Freeman

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2010, 04:56:51 PM »
Quote from: Emil Weber on March 03, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Someone posted this pic a while ago.... if thats not the ugliest course in the world.... ???

The course is symmetric!  Yikes!
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Melvyn Morrow

Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2010, 05:15:18 PM »

So when did this site change subjects? I thought it was about golf not Picasso and his paintings.

Starting to understand this 5-6 hour round you guys have over there, must be hard trying to find the golf course under all this modern art. You are doing well if you do it under 6 hours.

Really what are they meant to be, what is the reasoning behind the design, is it now all about sculpturing the land to the point you forget what you are meant to be designing?

Sorry guys but this reminds me of the child story Emperor's New Clothes everyone seems to think they are great until someone makes a true statement exposing all the crap. Bet it was not cheap either

Yet I suppose the final proof is in the playing, but first you would have to get me to part with good money to even want to consider travelling to these courses.  Ugly, no just verging on the pointless.

Melvyn



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Brett Hochstein

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2010, 05:27:33 PM »
Quote from: Emil Weber on March 03, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Someone posted this pic a while ago.... if thats not the ugliest course in the world.... ???

The landscape architect in me has to point out that that stupid long formal pond is not even on axis with the stupid formal clubhouse palace.  Could anything in this be any more wrong?
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Matthew Sander

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2010, 05:32:51 PM »
Quote from: Brett Hochstein on March 03, 2010, 05:27:33 PM
Quote from: Emil Weber on March 03, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Someone posted this pic a while ago.... if thats not the ugliest course in the world.... ???

The landscape architect in me has to point out that that stupid long formal pond is not even on axis with the stupid formal clubhouse palace.  Could anything in this be any more wrong?

That jumped out at me as well, surprising with all of the obvious attempts at symmetry...Wait a minute, I think this is Oakmont. Church Pews in the lower left ::)
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Tony Weiler

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2010, 05:34:15 PM »
Quote from: Jay Flemma on March 03, 2010, 03:14:21 PM
Lets start a thread of some really ugly golf holes...just for fun.

How about this mess?  On a par-5 on Tour no less.  So either go for it in two, or play way around to the right, laying up.  Everyone was screaming at Rickie Fowler for not going for the green during the 4th round....I also hate the bunkering: one tiny pit, one beach...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cfNB9BdzID0/S4x_86jE0xI/AAAAAAAAHWc/JmxhZFckTDU/s1600-h/15th.jpg

But of course, if some announcer said, "man this hole is ugly" they'd be forced to apologize:)

Jay, I made birdie there.  I think it's lovely.   ;)
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Melvyn Morrow

Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2010, 05:37:40 PM »

Tony

Do you mean you met one of Picasso big eyed women or is that the one with three eyes - yes I might be polite and call her a birdie ;)

Melvyn

PS Was that before or after the swim
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John Moore II

Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2010, 06:12:37 PM »
Quote from: Matthew Sander on March 03, 2010, 05:32:51 PM
Quote from: Brett Hochstein on March 03, 2010, 05:27:33 PM
Quote from: Emil Weber on March 03, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Someone posted this pic a while ago.... if thats not the ugliest course in the world.... ???

The landscape architect in me has to point out that that stupid long formal pond is not even on axis with the stupid formal clubhouse palace.  Could anything in this be any more wrong?

That jumped out at me as well, surprising with all of the obvious attempts at symmetry...Wait a minute, I think this is Oakmont. Church Pews in the lower left ::)

Well, the center of the pond does line up with the center of the clubhouse, they just don't intersect at 90 degrees. Where is that course? I'd play just to say I did. Kind of like going to see the worlds fattest hog at the fair or something.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2010, 06:21:58 PM »
Mac,
This would be a much better hole if they let you 'run' down the baseline w/the cart.   

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Jon Wiggett

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2010, 06:29:44 PM »
Quote from: George Freeman on March 03, 2010, 04:56:51 PM
Quote from: Emil Weber on March 03, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Someone posted this pic a while ago.... if thats not the ugliest course in the world.... ???

The course is symmetric!  Yikes!

Yes George, its GCA on the cheap. Just get nine holes designed and use a mirror to create the second nine in an instant. ;)
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Jim Sweeney

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2010, 07:07:58 PM »
DSchmidt- but you look good playing it!

Eric Smith- I bet the marketing literature for the second course in your post mentions how the clubhoues evokes the spirit of Augusta National!

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Mike Hamilton

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2010, 07:14:58 PM »


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This must be K'mill River Course #8?
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Doug Wright

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2010, 07:24:30 PM »
Quote from: Mike Hamilton on March 03, 2010, 07:14:58 PM



This must be K'mill River Course #8?
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A great hole when the most prominent feature is the cart path...
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Link Walsh

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Re: This hole is UGLY! (and bad architecture)
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2010, 08:34:13 PM »
Quote from: Eric Smith on March 03, 2010, 04:02:20 PM


That first picture looks like something off the RTJ Trail- maybe Oxmoor or something? 
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