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Matt_Ward

Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2010, 11:23:09 AM »
Kalen:

Credibility ?

With who ?

If you mean his wife, kids and closest friends that's one thing.

Wait a second -- Tiger is not an elected leader -- he is a golfer -- he's in the entertainment business.

Kalen, help me out here OK -- where is the proof on what Tiger is supposed to have done?

Oh, I see, we now have morphed into the world where the accusation sticks and we figure out the facts later -- if at all.

Tiger filled out simply by growing from a teen into a man and in having one of the most intense personal trainers in the business. His own discipline to improve himself on and off the golf course has been done through hard work.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2010, 12:01:31 PM »
Kalen:

Credibility ?  YES!!

With who ?   LOL....Anyone quite frankly.  I mean c'mon how can anyone believe a word that comes out of his mouth?

If you mean his wife, kids and closest friends that's one thing.

Wait a second -- Tiger is not an elected leader -- he is a golfer -- he's in the entertainment business.

Oh so people in the entertainment buz are above the rules of thier own sport?  Football players are in the entertainment biz, but they are still accountable to drug use, ditto for NBA, Hockey, Baseball

Kalen, help me out here OK -- where is the proof on what Tiger is supposed to have done?

I never said he was guilty, but I do think its noteworthy enough to at least prompt an investigation by the PGA Tour if they want to keep thier sport clean

Oh, I see, we now have morphed into the world where the accusation sticks and we figure out the facts later -- if at all.

Tiger filled out simply by growing from a teen into a man and in having one of the most intense personal trainers in the business. His own discipline to improve himself on and off the golf course has been done through hard work.

Matt, I did use a  ;), but perhaps I should have also included a  ;D:):D, and another  ;) just for good measure.


Rick Shefchik

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2010, 12:29:45 PM »




The good life will do it to anybody...
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Ben Sims

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2010, 07:00:46 PM »
Ben:

Wilt Chamberlain and Babe Ruth make Tiger look like a virgin when held to their various hijinks and escapades. Ditto for Mickey Mantle and any number of other athletes. The idea that people are "shocked" by Tiger's flings is akin to when Claude Rains leaves the casino in Casablanca and is "shocked" to hear gambling is going on in Rick's and just as quickly pockets the proceeds from his kickback with the same facility.

All of these self-rightous types who pontificate from the sideline about "consequences." The only victims in this situation are his wife and kids. He doesn't owe me or anyone else an apology.

You talk about his handlers and the image they put forward -- hey Ben, wake up and smell the coffee -- Madison Avenue has been doing that for years. Did you think the situation originated with Tiger? Tiger was never loved by many people -- particularly those who put knives in his back so quickly as this situation unfolded. Tiger is respected for his golf -- pure and simple. No doubt Tiger has likely believed -- since his time on the Mike Douglas show at age 2, that he was special and outside the realm that most mere mortals occupy. He now understands that -- or so he said at his non-press event in PGA HQ in Ponte Vedra.

Ben, when I buy a Sinantra record -- I could care less what Frank did outside away from his music - I can draw apart the distinctions because I realize that people are human and they will make mistakes. I respect Tiger for his golf and I believe most people see him and respect him as a golfer that has no peer -- the rest of his life is merely a sidebar to that element for me and countless others. If Tiger existed in the era of Snead and Hogan or even in more modern times with the likes of Palmer and Nicklaus -- the idea of sleeping with different women would have been handled in the same manner as it was done then. Under the surface there are plenty of people who have never liked being "handled" in the way Tiger has treated them and as a result when the blank hit the fan as it did in this matter he took on a major slap of payback. I can only hope Tiger will learn from this situation and be a stronger and better person from it.

 

Oh bother, where to start.  I'm an idealistic, self-righteous, shallow excuse for a modern man.  Pontificating about false consequences and standards of society.  Hopelessly ignorant of a tactical assault by Madison Avenue (is that really still the hub?) marketing salvos aimed at the soft underbelly of good ol' American values and sterotypes.  Woe is me...

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He doesn't owe me or anyone else an apology.

I agree.  Sort of.  He does owe those financially at risk by his decisions an apology. 

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Tiger was never loved by many people

No.  What you meant to say was that there were folks who didn't like Tiger.  To say that he was never loved by many is a gross mischaracterization. 

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I can draw apart the distinctions because I realize that people are human and they will make mistakes. I respect Tiger for his golf and I believe most people see him and respect him as a golfer that has no peer -- the rest of his life is merely a sidebar to that element for me and countless others

Good for you Matt.  I live in a world where character still matters.  Where the decisions you make impact EVERY facet of what you do and who you are.  I want my children to live in a world like that as well.  I want them to have heroes.  To look up to people and things that are amazing.  I want people with God given talent to give back, to understand their worth, and not cheapen it.  Shame on me for feeling this way.

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If Tiger existed in the era of Snead and Hogan or even in more modern times with the likes of Palmer and Nicklaus -- the idea of sleeping with different women would have been handled in the same manner as it was done then.

He didn't.  He lives in a world of instant communication and instant news.  A time of equal right AND expectations of men and women.  A world where our most powerful and successful are held under a microscope of atomic detail.  He KNEW that.  Period. 

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I can only hope Tiger will learn from this situation and be a stronger and better person from it.

Me too.  Honest.
 





TEPaul

Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2010, 07:20:30 PM »
From GOLF DIGEST Dan Jenkins



"Friends have been asking me why I haven't written my take on "the Tiger Woods deal," so here it comes.
First, let me just say that I'm still having trouble getting past the video games and Fruit Loops. That's if I'm to believe the report that Tiger was so distraught after his indoor athleticism became public---and turned into what some people call a Shakespearean tragedy---that he crawled into deep, lonely hiding and occupied his time playing video games and eating Fruit Loops.
Maybe it is true, and that's why Tiger's agent, Mark Steinberg of IMG, said to the media at one point, "Give the kid a break."
Kid?
Tiger Woods was a month away from 34 years of age when his debutantes began turning up in the news. He was a grown man with a wife and two children. Well, we supposed he had a wife, but that was before we learned she was only an ornament.
Kid?
Kids flew B-17s in daylight bombing raids over Germany in World War II. Kids fought in Korea and Vietnam . Kids are serving today in Iraq and Afghanistan so Tiger Woods can live in a world where he can win 14 majors and match that number, the last time I counted, with 14 casting couches, most of them reserved for blondes.
Now excuse me a moment while I try to envision Ben Hogan, Arnold Palmer, and Jack Nicklaus playing video games and eating Fruit Loops while they try to deal with a career problem. Of course, Hogan, Palmer, and Nicklaus never set themselves up to become future statues in Central Park . They never pretended to be the All-American Daddy-Pop Father of the Year Who Also Wins Golf Tournaments. They never sold themselves as the greatest Family Values brand ever, and conquered the marketplace with it, shamelessly scooping up hundreds of millions of dollars while saying, "My family will always come first."
They were never what Tiger allowed himself to become from the start: spoiled, pampered, hidden, guarded, orchestrated, and entitled.
I'll tell you what Hogan, Palmer, Nicklaus were at their peak. They were every bit as popular as Tiger, they endured similar demands on their time, but they handled it courteously, often with ease and enjoyment.
They were accessible, likeable, knowable, conversant, as gracious in loss as they were in victory, and, above all, amazingly helpful to those of us in the print lodge who covered them.
That was their brand. All the things Tiger never was.
As for Tiger's brand, boy, did that take a hit. For all of the Tiger idolaters out there, it must have been like finding out that ice cream sundaes give you gonorrhea.
Never in my knowledge of history has any famous personality---in sports, show biz, or politics---ever fallen so far so fast. Tiger Woods is graveyard dead, as the Southern expression goes.
Life as Tiger has known it is over. His reputation is ruined, possibly forever. His name that once meant mastery over competitive golf now invokes cringes, giggles and all the internet jokes you want to pass along.
Sure, he can come back and even win again, if he man's up, but if he does he will only be a hero to the "you-da-man" and "get-in-the-hole" crowd. And I can't imagine him coming back as a "humbled man." That wouldn't be the owner of a yacht insultingly named "Privacy," the guy that the press has slobbered over for these past 12 years.
I covered Tiger winning his 14 professional majors, but I can't say I know him. I knew the smile he put on for TV. I knew the orchestrated remarks he granted us in his press room interviews. I knew the air he punched when another outrageous putt went in the cup. That's it.
I once made an effort to get to know the old silicone collector.
Tried to arrange dinners with him for a little Q-and-A, on or off the record, his choice.
But the closest I ever got was this word from his agent:"We have nothing to gain."
Now it's too late.
I'm busy."



WHOUOUO!  ;)


Craig Sweet

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2010, 07:36:46 PM »
Well,  I suppose Dan Jenkins feels he's entitled to his opinion and entitled to write about it because he is a "sports writer",  but really, who cares what he thinks? 



LOCK HIM UP!!!

jeffwarne

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2010, 07:50:01 PM »
Well,  I suppose Dan Jenkins feels he's entitled to his opinion and entitled to write about it because he is a "sports writer",  but really, who cares what he thinks? 





No defending tiger and his actions but......
The word curmudgeon comes to mind ::) ::) ::) ::)

again....
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Craig Sweet

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2010, 08:00:34 PM »
No, the only defending of Tigers actions should come from Tiger and his family....actually...the only judgement on his action should come from Tiger and his family...it is not my place to comment on his behavior...

Jenkins on the other hand is part of the "game".....Tiger plays golf, the media reports on him....they share in the creation of his image. Jenkins seems pissed that after 15 years of covering Tiger he "doesn't really know Tiger"....so what?  After 20 years of reading Jenkins I don't feel as if I know him. Do I have to "know" Dan Jenkins?
LOCK HIM UP!!!

Tim Martin

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2010, 09:02:21 PM »
Hard not to like Dan Jenkin`s honesty. Here is a guy who arguably has had more access as a reporter to PGA players over the last fifty years than anybody until the guys from the Golf Channel came along and says he has never been able to have 5 mimutes alone with Tiger off camera. Is it sour grapes from Jenkin`s? I don`t read it that way. Is it a generation issue? I don`t think so. I think its just Tiger being Tiger like it or not. And if your Dan Jenkins who hung around with Hogan and Palmer in a different time its probably pretty hard to reconcile. As an aside anybody that can read Semi -Tough without laughing out loud at least a hundred times has a cold heart.

Craig Sweet

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2010, 11:35:22 PM »
If Dan Jenkins got five minutes alone with Tiger what do you suppose he would have to write about? Would he have said Tiger loves his wife and kids? Would he have said Tiger is idolized by kids all over the world?  In other words, how much would his "reporting" on his five minutes with Tiger have fed the myth?  And really, what matters here? Tiger the person, Tiger the golfer, Tiger the shill for corporations???   I guess some people have a curiosity to know whether Tiger puts his pants on one leg at a time, or that he drives his kids to nursery school just like they do, and others have a desire to know all about his corporate contracts and marvel at his success, and they love his greed....and then there are those that like the way he plays golf (except for Melvyn of course). I am one of those...I don't need to know Tiger the person....I don't need to know Tiger the corporate commodity....all I need is to watch him hit a golf ball and get around the course....to me that is his job and that is all I ask of him...play golf and entertain me while you do it.
LOCK HIM UP!!!

jeffwarne

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2010, 11:56:18 PM »
Hard not to like Dan Jenkin`s honesty. Here is a guy who arguably has had more access as a reporter to PGA players over the last fifty years than anybody until the guys from the Golf Channel came along and says he has never been able to have 5 mimutes alone with Tiger off camera. Is it sour grapes from Jenkin`s? I don`t read it that way. Is it a generation issue? I don`t think so. I think its just Tiger being Tiger like it or not. And if your Dan Jenkins who hung around with Hogan and Palmer in a different time its probably pretty hard to reconcile. As an aside anybody that can read Semi -Tough without laughing out loud at least a hundred times has a cold heart.

That might be a fair point except Jenkins has downplayed every tour player since Hogan.
That's a long time (only since Tiger has he begun to come around on Jack)
pretty good writer though
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Jud_T

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2010, 09:39:57 AM »
This is probably the best thing I've read on the whole situation.  I've been a Tiger defender, but Dan Jenkins is the man.  This guy could smell B.S. before it got off the bus...It's a new dawn, It's a new day......
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Kalen Braley

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2010, 09:54:29 AM »
For a guy who has already admitted that he felt above the rules, and that the rules didn't apply to him, why would we think any diffferent when it comes to his attitude with performance enhancing drugs?

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2010, 10:16:59 AM »
This problem with Tiger is an old one which reappears from time to time.

The real problem is that in nearly every case the player can’t see the woods for the trees, but in this case the audience could not see the trees for Wood’s behaviour.

The sign were there, the rules did not apply to him can be seen but his language and worst still his club throwing antics.   

Normally you can only fool some of the people some of the time, however in Tigers case he fooled nearly all the people all the time.

Like lemmings his supporters tried to discredit his critics, to their shame. Ultimately Tiger and his family will be OK, so will his sponsors, the ones who gave him their belief in his integrity are the real losers, the problem is that for some the extent of his betrayal has not yet hit home.

They hope like a Phoenix , he will fly out of the flames reborn, although I find that hard to believe seeing how staged managed his confession was  - this is a man who has still yet to learn from his past errors IMHO.

Melvyn 


« Last Edit: March 02, 2010, 10:19:07 AM by Melvyn Hunter Morrow »

TEPaul

Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2010, 10:55:53 AM »
"Hard not to like Dan Jenkin`s honesty. Here is a guy who arguably has had more access as a reporter to PGA players over the last fifty years than anybody until the guys from the Golf Channel came along and says he has never been able to have 5 mimutes alone with Tiger off camera. Is it sour grapes from Jenkin`s? I don`t read it that way. Is it a generation issue? I don`t think so. I think its just Tiger being Tiger like it or not. And if your Dan Jenkins who hung around with Hogan and Palmer in a different time its probably pretty hard to reconcile. As an aside anybody that can read Semi -Tough without laughing out loud at least a hundred times has a cold heart."


Tim Martin:

Really good post, and I buy it all.

PThomas

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2010, 11:01:46 AM »
Jenkins isnt perfect and maybe the column isnt perfect...but not many others/anyone else? in the media of his stature has given TW the kick in the ass that Dan did, so good for him
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

TEPaul

Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2010, 11:02:59 AM »
Craig Sweet:

I like your #34 a lot too. Unfortunately, a lot of the world, probably since Watergate, don't seem to think like us anymore and tend to look at famous public figures as their commodity, and they expect them to fulfill some kind of over-all package that includes scrutinizing their private lives too.

I cut my teeth on this kind of "public figures/private lives" issue in the JFK era, and as facile and charming as he was with the media, if he was the president today with the difference between the way the media is today from the way they were then, even he wouldn't have a chance.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2010, 11:09:24 AM by TEPaul »

Kalen Braley

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2010, 11:42:00 AM »
Craig Sweet:

I like your #34 a lot too. Unfortunately, a lot of the world, probably since Watergate, don't seem to think like us anymore and tend to look at famous public figures as their commodity, and they expect them to fulfill some kind of over-all package that includes scrutinizing their private lives too.

I cut my teeth on this kind of "public figures/private lives" issue in the JFK era, and as facile and charming as he was with the media, if he was the president today with the difference between the way the media is today from the way they were then, even he wouldn't have a chance.

Tom Paul,

You make a great point.  JFKs philandering and wandering would make Clinton and Tiger look like choir boys....

Ahh the good ole days, when a man could cheat to his heart's content and be a hero to most!!   ;D  ;)

PThomas

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #43 on: March 02, 2010, 11:46:31 AM »
Craig Sweet:

I like your #34 a lot too. Unfortunately, a lot of the world, probably since Watergate, don't seem to think like us anymore and tend to look at famous public figures as their commodity, and they expect them to fulfill some kind of over-all package that includes scrutinizing their private lives too.

I cut my teeth on this kind of "public figures/private lives" issue in the JFK era, and as facile and charming as he was with the media, if he was the president today with the difference between the way the media is today from the way they were then, even he wouldn't have a chance.

Tom Paul,

You make a great point.  JFKs philandering and wandering would make Clinton and Tiger look like choir boys....

Ahh the good ole days, when a man could cheat to his heart's content and be a hero to most!!   ;D  ;)

but if JFK was under the media scrutiny that TW is, maybe he would have done it less/been more discreet...
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Craig Sweet

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #44 on: March 02, 2010, 12:30:16 PM »
Did JFK feel as if he was entitled?  Are we entitled to know?  I would like to think we judge people like JFK and Tiger Woods on how they do their job...that being the point where we the public (I'll leave it to their girlfriends to decide how well they performed in the sack) interact with them. 

LOCK HIM UP!!!

Matt_Ward

Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #45 on: March 02, 2010, 01:06:25 PM »
Ben:

My retorts to your comments are in CAPS -- not for emphasis just for differentiation.
 
Oh bother, where to start.  I'm an idealistic, self-righteous, shallow excuse for a modern man.  Pontificating about false consequences and standards of society.  Hopelessly ignorant of a tactical assault by Madison Avenue (is that really still the hub?) marketing salvos aimed at the soft underbelly of good ol' American values and sterotypes.  Woe is me...

BEN, THE ISSUE IS WHY PEOPLE PLACE SO MUCH STOCK IN THE OFF COURSE LIFE OF SPORTSMEN. YOU SEEM TO CARE ABOUT WHAT TIGER DOES OFF THE COURSE. I COULD CARE LESS. I SEE HIM AN AN ENTERTAINER -- PURE AND SIMPLE. HE'S THERE TO PLAY THE BEST GOLF ON THE PLANET AND I RESPECT HIS IMMENSE SKILLS FOR IT. IT'S THE SAME WAY I FELT ABOUT FRANK SINATRA -- I COULD CARE LESS THAT HE WAS JERK OR RUBBED ELBOWS WITH UNSAVORY PEOPLE. I PAID TO HEAR 'THE VOICE.'

YOU ARE A BIT TOO IDEALISTIC AND NEED TO REALIZE THAT THE PANTHEON OF CHARACTER TYPES THAT YOU ADORE REST IN OTHER PURSUITS -- LIKE GREAT TEACHERS, SCIENTISTS, STATESMEN, ETC, ETC.

I agree.  Sort of.  He does owe those financially at risk by his decisions an apology. 

HELLO BEN, TIGER PROVIDED THE COMPANIES HE ENDORSED WITH MOUNDS AND MOUNDS OF $$ BECAUSE OF HIS PERSONNA. I DON'T FEEL A TWIT OF SYMPATHY FOR THEM.



No.  What you meant to say was that there were folks who didn't like Tiger.  To say that he was never loved by many is a gross mischaracterization. 


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I can draw apart the distinctions because I realize that people are human and they will make mistakes. I respect Tiger for his golf and I believe most people see him and respect him as a golfer that has no peer -- the rest of his life is merely a sidebar to that element for me and countless others

Good for you Matt.  I live in a world where character still matters.  Where the decisions you make impact EVERY facet of what you do and who you are.  I want my children to live in a world like that as well.  I want them to have heroes.  To look up to people and things that are amazing.  I want people with God given talent to give back, to understand their worth, and not cheapen it.  Shame on me for feeling this way.


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If Tiger existed in the era of Snead and Hogan or even in more modern times with the likes of Palmer and Nicklaus -- the idea of sleeping with different women would have been handled in the same manner as it was done then.

He didn't.  He lives in a world of instant communication and instant news.  A time of equal right AND expectations of men and women.  A world where our most powerful and successful are held under a microscope of atomic detail.  He KNEW that.  Period. 


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I can only hope Tiger will learn from this situation and be a stronger and better person from it.

Me too.  Honest.
 

Kalen Braley

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #46 on: March 02, 2010, 01:07:06 PM »
Tiger is getting back in the saddle, looks like an ANGC return is not out of the question.

Tiger Woods is back at home after a week of family counseling in Arizona and is trying to get into a routine that includes golf and fitness, a person with knowledge of his schedule said Tuesday.

Woods returned to his home near Orlando on Saturday and has been hitting balls on the range at Isleworth, not far from where he ran his SUV into a tree in a middle-of-the-night accident on Nov. 27 that set off revelations of his extramarital affairs.

The person, who spoke on condition of anonymity because only Woods is authorized to release information about his schedule, said there is still no timetable for golf's No. 1 player to return to competition.

Woods was photographed hitting golf balls at Isleworth on Feb. 18, the day before he ended nearly three months of silence by speaking to a small group of associates in a 13 1/2-minute statement that was televised around the world. Those photos of Woods were arranged to counter the paparazzi trying to follow his every move since Thanksgiving.


http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=ap-tigerwoods&prov=ap&type=lgns

Matt_Ward

Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #47 on: March 02, 2010, 01:19:25 PM »
Ben: Inadvertently got cut-off. Here's the remainder of my responses ...

No.  What you meant to say was that there were folks who didn't like Tiger.  To say that he was never loved by many is a gross mischaracterization.

BEN, TIGER HAS SHOWN A BLOW-OFF ATTITUDE TO MANY PEOPLE - MANY NOW SAW THIS SITUATION HAS PRESENTED THE ULTIMATE COMEUPPANCE FOR THEM. WHEN TIGER PLAYS -- PEOPLE LOVE LEFTY -- THEY RESPECT TIGER FOR HIS GAME.  

Good for you Matt.  I live in a world where character still matters.  Where the decisions you make impact EVERY facet of what you do and who you are.  I want my children to live in a world like that as well.  I want them to have heroes.  To look up to people and things that are amazing.  I want people with God given talent to give back, to understand their worth, and not cheapen it.  Shame on me for feeling this way.

BEN, ENOUGH OF THE MORALIZING PITTER PATTER. I ALMOST BROKE OUT A KLEENEX. TIGER HAS PLAYED THE GAME IN GREAT FASHION -- HE IS RESPECTED FOR THAT DIMENSION AND IF YOU EXPECT THEM TO BE THE WALKING EPITOME OF THE NON-FLAWED HUMAN BEING THENYOU ARE SIPPING SOME REALLY STRONG KOOL-AID -- WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.

He didn't.  He lives in a world of instant communication and instant news.  A time of equal right AND expectations of men and women.  A world where our most powerful and successful are held under a microscope of atomic detail.  He KNEW that.  Period.  

BEN, BABE RUTH IS REMEMBERED FOR HIS BASEBALL SKILLS -- PEOPLE NOW SEE WHAT HE IS LIKE OFF THE DIAMOND AND HE STILL COMMANDS TIOP TIER RESPECT. THE SAME WILL BE FOR TIGER WHEN HE RETURNS TO THE COURSE AND THE WINNING RESUMES. MICKEY MANTLE IS REVERED BY MANY ADULTS TODAY -- THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE KIDS BACK THEN. HIS CAROUSING AND DRINKING DIDN'T LOWER HIS STOCK IN THEIR MINDS. THE MEDIA TODAY PLAYS THE GAME OF BUILDING UP PEOPLE TO SUPER HUMAN PROPORTIONS AND THEN WHEN THE SLIGHTEST CRACK IS REVLEAED PILE ON WITH UNRELENTING VIGOR -- THE SAME WILL BE FOR THE RESUIRRECTION PIECES THAT WILL FOLLOW.





Jud_T

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2010, 01:23:07 PM »


BEN, ENOUGH OF THE MORALIZING PITTER PATTER. I ALMOST BROKE OUT A KLEENEX.






I just broke one out from laughter!
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Kalen Braley

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Re: Tiger is not out of the woods yet
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2010, 01:24:53 PM »
Team Tiger told the world that the reason they did their little announcement production in Florida and conflicted with the Match Play was that it was the only time it fit into Tiger's rehab schedule.

Now, here he is - not even two weeks later - with enough idle time on his hands to be practicing at home in Florida.

Hmmm....


Shiv,

Sadly, I thought the same...can't help but think Tiger was trying to jam one on Accenture after dropping him.  I guess some things will never change.  ;)

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