Best Non-Doak or Non-C&C course built last 20 years?

[George Freeman]

....there really should be a Strantz offering on the list..it may not be the best but it's better than some on the above list.

Agreed, perhaps MPCC - Shore?

[Peter Ferlicca]

I would add Wolf Run to that list.  For some reason this course doesn't get close to the amount of respect it deserves.  Steve Smyers did an EXCELLENT job here with a challenging course that is pure fun to play.

[Rob Rigg]

Bandon Dunes and Nanea have been mentioned as well - I know that the Kidd'ster doesn't get much love here but BD is more fun (and better IMO) than Chambers and Nanea would probably get a lot of love if it was accessible in any way, shape or form . . . and Mac Dunes looks pretty incredible (thanks for the reports Chris).

[Gary Slatter]

Ocean Course Kiawah   best ocean course      Castle Stuart  best faux castle course with woode in sand
Chambers Bay    best surprise
Sagebrush     best mountainside course
Mad River     when it opened

[Mark Pritchett]

Of courses I have played:

Kiawah Ocean and Wolf Run

Of courses I have not played:

Kinloch

[Philippe Binette]

about firmness at Wild Horse,

I played with locals there and they said that they had 3 to 4 times more rain last year than usual, the roughs were basically out of control around september 1st.

I would love to see Blackhawk in Edmonton (Whitman) to compare it with Wild Horse

[Ronald Montesano]

Arrowhead, Akron New York, Scott Witter

Plays about 6700 from the tips.  No vertical movement to note, but an incredible variety of horizontal movement.  Scott brings holes right to left and left to right with notable balance.  He allows fairways to trundle gently, affording uneven lies to challenge the track into putting greens.  The putting surfaces are varied, with no fear of the high front-low back feature.  I just love this course.

[Paul Jones]

Calusa Pines

[Jim Nugent]

If one assumes that all C&C and Doak courses were never built, this board would be going bananas ga-ga over Dismal River.

If pigs could fly...

But isn't that the point?  That without Doak or C&C, there would be no Dismal River? 

[Jud_T]

Jim C,

Why don't we have an informal ranking poll of these dozen or so courses say over the next 48 hours? Everyone submits their 1-10 list confidentially of courses you've played or seen and we have a simple numerical tally? I'm willing to do the tally if you don't have time....

[Jim Colton]

Jim C,

Why don't we have an informal ranking poll of these dozen or so courses say over the next 48 hours? Everyone submits their 1-10 list confidentially of courses you've played or seen and we have a simple numerical tally? I'm willing to do the tally if you don't have time....

Jud,

I wasn't interested in ranking them, just the breadth of answers and highlighting quality modern designs.

[Greg Tallman]

While I would have to give the nod to Kiawah Ocean I believe The Ocean Course at Cabo del Sol at least merits consideration.

[Michael Dugger]

Sorry Garland....

Revised....

Kingsley Club
Boston GC
Ocean Course
Kingsbarns
Castlestuart
Wildhorse
Black Mesa
Whistling Straits
Kauri Cliffs
Ballyhack
Erin Hills
CHAMBERS BAY
Calusa Pines
Kinloch
Bandon Dunes
Nanea
MPCC Shore
Rustic Canyon
Cabo Del Sol

[Rob Rigg]

Carne

[Kalen Braley]

Sorry Garland....

Revised....

Kingsley Club
Boston GC
Ocean Course
Kingsbarns
Castlestuart
Wildhorse
Black Mesa
Whistling Straits
Kauri Cliffs
Ballyhack
Erin Hills
CHAMBERS BAY
Calusa Pines
Kinloch
Bandon Dunes
Nanea
MPCC Shore
Rustic Canyon
Cabo Del Sol

I mentioned this back on the 1st page, but I think Wine Valley deserves a spot on that list as well....quite easily belongs there.

[Matt Bosela]

Sorry Garland....

Revised....

Kingsley Club
Boston GC
Ocean Course
Kingsbarns
Castlestuart
Wildhorse
Black Mesa
Whistling Straits
Kauri Cliffs
Ballyhack
Erin Hills
CHAMBERS BAY
Calusa Pines
Kinloch
Bandon Dunes
Nanea
MPCC Shore
Rustic Canyon
Cabo Del Sol

I mentioned this back on the 1st page, but I think Wine Valley deserves a spot on that list as well....quite easily belongs there.

Also, I believe two people have mentioned Sagebrush and I will also support that choice, although I'm a lot less travelled than most here.

[George Freeman]

Sorry Garland....

Revised....

Kingsley Club
Boston GC
Ocean Course
Kingsbarns
Castlestuart
Wildhorse
Black Mesa
Whistling Straits
Kauri Cliffs
Ballyhack
Erin Hills
CHAMBERS BAY
Calusa Pines
Kinloch
Bandon Dunes
Nanea
MPCC Shore
Rustic Canyon
Cabo Del Sol

I mentioned this back on the 1st page, but I think Wine Valley deserves a spot on that list as well....quite easily belongs there.

Also, I believe two people have mentioned Sagebrush and I will also support that choice, although I'm a lot less travelled than most here.

I've only seen Sagebrush in photos but based off that I would definitely second that!