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Adam Lawrence

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Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2010, 03:34:30 AM »
Trajectory, Seve's firm has made a bit of a thing about 6-6-6 courses in recent years. The course Jamie is referencing is The Shire in Barnet, north London (www.theshirelondon.com), which opened a couple of years ago. It's not bad, but the 6-6-6 formula, combined with a 'no two consecutive holes the same par' thing makes it a bit forced. In particular, the opening hole is a par three with what's effectively an island green - not my idea of a welcoming introduction to the round.

They also did the 6-6-6 thing at Porto Santo in the Madeira islands (where the Madeira Open was hosted last year). I rather liked that course - the front nine is a bit plain, but it works its way up to some big sea cliffs and the back side, and the holes around the cliffs are really pretty good.
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Mark Pearce

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Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2010, 03:51:09 AM »
Garland,

The thing about Berkshire Red is that it has 8 or 9 par 4.5s.  Wonderful.
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Sean_A

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Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2010, 05:12:32 AM »
Quote from: Mark Pearce on January 25, 2010, 03:51:09 AM
Garland,

The thing about Berkshire Red is that it has 8 or 9 par 4.5s.  Wonderful.

Plus it really makes the Red different from the Blue despite the similarity of terrain.  Does anybody know if Fowler did this on purpose?

I know of another 6-6-6 course, Bank House outside of Worcester, but it is a very mediocre course.

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Mark Pearce

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Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2010, 05:36:26 AM »
Quote from: Sean Arble on January 25, 2010, 05:12:32 AM
Quote from: Mark Pearce on January 25, 2010, 03:51:09 AM
Garland,

The thing about Berkshire Red is that it has 8 or 9 par 4.5s.  Wonderful.

Plus it really makes the Red different from the Blue despite the similarity of terrain.  Does anybody know if Fowler did this on purpose?

I know of another 6-6-6 course, Bank House outside of Worcester, but it is a very mediocre course.

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It would be fascinating to know if it was deliberate.  The difference in feel between Blue and Red courses is remarkable given the similarity in the terrain.  I wonder if he made the Blue a par 71 for the same reason.  Thinking about what else helps differentiate the feel of the two courses, one starts with a par 5, one with a par 3, one finishes with a 3, one with a 4.

Someone really should do a photo essay thread on the Berkshire.  Maybe I will try out my photographic and descriptive skills after one of my two visits there this year.
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Mark Chaplin

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Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2010, 06:21:08 AM »
Berkshire Red could quite easily be the world's toughest par 66 as all the par 5s are well within reach in two strokes
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Jonathan Webb

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Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #30 on: January 25, 2010, 08:45:11 AM »
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http://www.golf.com/golf/courses_travel/coursefinder/course/0,28290,1476089,00.html
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Roger Wolfe

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Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #31 on: January 25, 2010, 10:11:27 AM »
I believe Carroll Valley Resort in Fairfield, PA is a 6-6-6.  Classic
ski resort course.  FUN!
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Mike Tanner

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Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #32 on: January 25, 2010, 01:47:20 PM »
Alex and David,

Another course that returns to the clubhouse at 6-hole intervals is Tom Fazio's Keowee Springs course at one of The Cliffs communities.
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Sam Morrow

Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #33 on: January 25, 2010, 02:01:37 PM »
High Meadow Ranch is a damn fine coursed and in great shape!
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Chris_Clouser

Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #34 on: January 25, 2010, 02:42:13 PM »
I know the Maxwell original course at Lake Hefner in Oklahoma City was a 6-6-6 layout.  From all accounts of the people I know that played the layout it was far superior to what is there now.
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mike_beene

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Re: 6-6-6 Courses?
« Reply #35 on: January 25, 2010, 08:01:38 PM »
Mike Tanner,actually the K. Springs course loops to a halfway house after 6 and 12 but the 1st and 18th are the only holes playing from and to the clubhouse. Same idea though.
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