[Anthony Gray]

  Are there holes that are just too easy for majors? How about this year.....Pebble Beach No 7......TOC No 18?

 Discuss......

[Adrian_Stiff]

Anthony I'd say no. Those are easyish holes, but they can still claim bogeys. Easy holes are birdie holes and championship golf needs them. The 7th at PB coud yield 1-6 and the 18th at TOC still gives plenty of 2s and 3 putt 5s. It causes excitement afterall.

[Ronald Montesano]

Not those two...you can always find an edgy pin location to make putting a nightmare.

[Ian Dalzell]

Lots of holes at The Old Course, especially holes 9-10 and 18.

Ian

[Anthony Gray]

Anthony I'd say no. Those are easyish holes, but they can still claim bogeys. Easy holes are birdie holes and championship golf needs them. The 7th at PB coud yield 1-6 and the 18th at TOC still gives plenty of 2s and 3 putt 5s. It causes excitement afterall.

  Persoally I love those two holes, but i have herd then criticized repeatedly.

  Anthony

[Ron Csigo]

The first 2-3 holes at Royal Troon are relatively easy holes for the pros because they usually play downwind.  Also, the 8th can be an easy hole as well but like the 7th at Pebble, it can yield anything from a 1 to the dreaded "other".

[jeffwarne]

  Are there holes that are just too easy for majors? How about this year.....Pebble Beach No 7......TOC No 18?

 Discuss......

Are you looking for the easiest holes in major championship golf?

or holes that are too easy for majors? (I'd say there's no such thing)

......Given that the easiest hole at ANGC is probably the best hole there (#13)

[Philippe Binette]

Pebble Beach 7th: remember final round 1992, 1 of the last 30 players hit the green.

In majors: I doubt there is an easy hole...
maybe the 9th at TOC, 3.88 average in the 2000 open
shortish par 5 would do (although they are getting rare in majors)

[J_ Crisham]

The 7th is one of the more frightening shots with any wind and a firm green,gnarly rough -US Open conditions . #2 at PB is probably the easiest hole if played as a par 5.    Just my opinion but I'm sure there are those that have seen/played it more than the 4-5 times I haveand would have a greater knowledge of prevailing winds and conditions.                                                    Jack

[Carl Nichols]

Anthony I'd say no. Those are easyish holes, but they can still claim bogeys. Easy holes are birdie holes and championship golf needs them. The 7th at PB coud yield 1-6 and the 18th at TOC still gives plenty of 2s and 3 putt 5s. It causes excitement afterall.

  Persoally I love those two holes, but i have herd then criticized repeatedly.

  Anthony

Well, I picked #7 at Pebble pretty early in the current fantasy course draft . . . .

[john_stiles]

Easy holes as in relation to par ?   Is this about par 5s for championship golf ?

Pebble Beach no. 2  was quite 'easy'  as a par 5, especially since the Pro V, for the pros.   The crowd that worries about score were so worried they changed it to a par 4.  Not sure of the tournament yardage as a par 4.

It is listed as a par 5,  502 yards, for 'tourist' play.


As to the Masters,  all time scoring records,  the  13th and 15th average  4.80.  And only the par 5s ( 2, 8 , 13,  and 15)  average below par for all time records.   In one year (1991),  the 15th averaged  4.5.

Interestingly,    in the Masters scoring,  the most rounds under par by the field for the tournament and for each day was set in 1991 and 1992 when arguably every course was struggling to keep up with the  advent of the Pro V in professional golf.

[Adam Clayman]

Calling #7 easy at Pebble Beach is far from accurate.

Calling any hole easy in Major Championship golf implies some amount of experience, in those events, which is doubtful, in this analysis.

Every hole is easy with fine shots. Everyday, Everywhere.

[Rick Shefchik]

With an absence of wind, the elite pros probably find most holes "easy" -- assuming they're swinging well. Every hole is a matter of getting the yardage right and keeping your shot on line. Pros are pretty good at that.

Toss wind into the equation, and everything changes. Pebble Beach #7 looked brutal on Sunday at the 1992 U.S. Open.

[JSlonis]

Easy holes as in relation to par ?   Is this about par 5s for championship golf ?

Pebble Beach no. 2  was quite 'easy'  as a par 5, especially since the Pro V, for the pros.   The crowd that worries about score were so worried they changed it to a par 4.  Not sure of the tournament yardage as a par 4.

It is listed as a par 5,  502 yards, for 'tourist' play.


As to the Masters,  all time scoring records,  the  13th and 15th average  4.80.  And only the par 5s ( 2, 8 , 13,  and 15)  average below par for all time records.   In one year (1991),  the 15th averaged  4.5.

Interestingly,    in the Masters scoring,  the most rounds under par by the field for the tournament and for each day was set in 1991 and 1992 when arguably every course was struggling to keep up with the  advent of the Pro V in professional golf.

John,

The Pro V1 was not around in 1991-1992. I don't think that ball hit the Tour until late 2000 or early 2001.

[john_stiles]

Jamie,

So true,  Pro V was 2000 !   Obviously, a big ah dodo.  

A decade slippage,   obvious anti ball,  pro rollback slant on my part.

Scoring data is okay though.

John

[archie_struthers]

 

Already posted but isn't #2 the easiest hole at Pebble....seems like it has to be???

[Kyle Henderson]

......Given that the easiest hole at ANGC is probably the best hole there (#15)

Sorry to follow a tangent here, but I always hear that #13 is a superior par 5 to #15.

Have you played the course? Seen it in person? Regardless, I'd love to hear your rationale if you don't mind sharing.

[JESII]

Archie,

I thought #4 was pretty much impossible to make worse than a par on, while #2 was a 500 yard par 4...how are we measuring Easy?

[Sean Eidson]

I don't know if it's the "easiest," but I thought 18 at Bethpage played most predictably this year, especially in the final round.  And with Lucas Glover hitting 6 iron, 9 iron, and then with 2 putts from 3 feet to win, it sure looked pretty easy.

[Scott Stearns]

Fourth Round of last yr's US Open not a good measurement of Bethpage #18-Tee was moved up to the front of the white tees for that round.

[Bill_McBride]

Archie,

I thought #4 was pretty much impossible to make worse than a par on, while #2 was a 500 yard par 4...how are we measuring Easy?

#4 can be diabolical with a back right pin.  I remember once hitting what I thought would be a stiff PW.  Got up there no ball, there is no room in that back corner for a miss right.

It's a perfect short par 4; you feel bad about not making a birdie, so you take too many chances that lead to doubles.

[Anthony Gray]

  Again...I love PB 7, but it is heavily critisized at the majors. Without wind it does lay down. I have posted in the past my favorite back to back holes are PB 7 and 8. Ian Woosnan"s comment about it being a practice hole comes to mind.

  Anthony

[jeffwarne]

......Given that the easiest hole at ANGC is probably the best hole there (#15)

Sorry to follow a tangent here, but I always hear that #13 is a superior par 5 to #15.

Have you played the course? Seen it in person? Regardless, I'd love to hear your rationale if you don't mind sharing.

Kyle,
Good catch.
I already edited it.
I meant 13, which is a great natural hole, but I typoed  ;D15 as I was wondering which hole was actually easier.
13 was the first hole on my "jump the fence loop" of 13, 14 11 and 12-growing up at adjacent Augusta CC.

[Will MacEwen]

I don't know if it's the "easiest," but I thought 18 at Bethpage played most predictably this year, especially in the final round.  And with Lucas Glover hitting 6 iron, 9 iron, and then with 2 putts from 3 feet to win, it sure looked pretty easy.

Sean I was thinking of the same hole - it seemed like an easy par, tough to bogey or birdie, huge dullsville.

I don't mind a hole being easy as long as it has some strategic element and players can pick up or lose strokes on the field.  #18 was not that. 

[jeffwarne]

I don't know if it's the "easiest," but I thought 18 at Bethpage played most predictably this year, especially in the final round.  And with Lucas Glover hitting 6 iron, 9 iron, and then with 2 putts from 3 feet to win, it sure looked pretty easy.

Sean I was thinking of the same hole - it seemed like an easy par, tough to bogey or birdie, huge dullsville.

I don't mind a hole being easy as long as it has some strategic element and players can pick up or lose strokes on the field.  #18 was not that. 

Will,
Let's not mistake a misguided set-up play by the USGA on #18 at bethpage in the final round with #18 at bethpage being too easy.
Maybe not a great hole, but certainly not a bad hole until the final day

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