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Sean Leary

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #100 on: January 04, 2010, 07:00:33 PM »
You forgot something important....

Thanks, Sean. FIXED!

LOL... ;D

I don't get it. I looked after he supposedly fixed it and he didn't even mention his tees!


That is the point. I was looking for him to mention the brush tees he uses, and when he saw my post, he put the ball he usually uses instead to spite me.....  :P

Richard Choi

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #101 on: January 04, 2010, 07:05:22 PM »
You KNOW I ain't going there!!!

Scott Warren

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #102 on: January 04, 2010, 07:21:49 PM »
If given the same shaft and grip, wouldn't the "softness" of the metal be the determining factor in "feel"?

Do you think a more compact blade or CB clubhead is what provides that softness instead?

Maybe Ari can comment - he's the pro on all of this stuff.

Mate of mine builds clubs for the Aussie pros.

He had a forged blade and a cast blade made that were 100% identical other than the manufacturing process of the heads.

He gave them to a bunch of pros and no one could tell him which was forged and which was cast other than Peter O'Malley, and his method of finding out didn't involve just hitting a golf ball off the face.

I am convinced that head shape/size (and nowadays secondary materials), shaft, grip and ball are what produce the sound and feel golfers experience.

I may be wrong.

Garland Bayley

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #103 on: January 04, 2010, 07:26:18 PM »
Scott, Rob,

I believe it has been scientifically tested and shown that feel is a misnomer. The science showed the perception of feel came from the sound, and that if you took away sound (ear plugs) in a blind test, no one could distinguish "feel".
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Rob Rigg

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #104 on: January 04, 2010, 07:50:01 PM »
Scott, Rob,

I believe it has been scientifically tested and shown that feel is a misnomer. The science showed the perception of feel came from the sound, and that if you took away sound (ear plugs) in a blind test, no one could distinguish "feel".


This is interesting - I have always enjoyed playing steel shafts because I could "feel" the ball much better than I could with graphite shafts. If the heads on the clubs are the same, along with the grips, then the only difference would be shaft material and weight which would contribute to "touch" and "impact feedback" up the shaft.

The most interesting test I did was hitting a persimmon head with a graphite shaft and then with a steel shaft (I did the same with a Ti head). The "feel" with the steel shaft was much better (and accuracy also improved).

Thoughts?

It would seem logical that all of the variables matter - no? You can definitely feel the difference between a Pro V1 and a Top Flite - Is that just down to sound? How about cast versus steel - down to sound again?

Chris Flamion

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #105 on: January 04, 2010, 08:24:45 PM »
Driver- TM R7 S flex
irons- 2,4-PW Mizuno MX series
Wedges- Cleveland 2009
Odyssey putter
and the prize of the back
Lynx Predator 3W and 5W offsets circa 1983 Mayflower Classic

Steve Lang

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #106 on: January 04, 2010, 08:38:31 PM »
 8) though sound is a transmitted pressure wave, and impact is something i love hearing at pro tourneys

aren't vibrations in the hands "feel" enough?
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Mark Chaplin

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #107 on: January 10, 2010, 08:23:45 AM »




Melvyn,

. is probably the most sensible thing I've ever said! However I was trying to post pictures of the Royal Cinque Ports golf bag mentioned earlier but they came out too big hence the .

Mark
« Last Edit: January 10, 2010, 08:45:03 AM by Mark Chaplin »
Cave Nil Vino

Melvyn Morrow

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #108 on: January 10, 2010, 08:32:29 AM »


Mark

 . is this a scaled down sketch of the new smaller ball or just a full stop. Are you advocated a newer smaller ball or has the scale been corrupted and in fact you are seeking to promote the larger ball. Or just plainly changed your mind and decide to play your usual ball.

Happy New Year to you

Melvyn

Mark Chaplin

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #109 on: January 10, 2010, 09:10:23 AM »
The bag was a very kind gift from Ari and I understand he has a similar RCP bag as well, we will get a joint picture at Easter. The are fabulously well made by a well known Oregan company and goes well with the club jacket!!

My nickname of Swampy, Swampz or Swamp Donkey comes from my friends perception I have an ability to play well on sh*te golf courses and fail miserably on quality courses, hence I'm at home in the swamp. Ari's lawyer will be hearing from me after commiting it to leather!
Cave Nil Vino

C. Squier

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #110 on: January 10, 2010, 11:15:21 AM »
Scott, Rob,

I believe it has been scientifically tested and shown that feel is a misnomer. The science showed the perception of feel came from the sound, and that if you took away sound (ear plugs) in a blind test, no one could distinguish "feel".


This is interesting - I have always enjoyed playing steel shafts because I could "feel" the ball much better than I could with graphite shafts. If the heads on the clubs are the same, along with the grips, then the only difference would be shaft material and weight which would contribute to "touch" and "impact feedback" up the shaft.

The most interesting test I did was hitting a persimmon head with a graphite shaft and then with a steel shaft (I did the same with a Ti head). The "feel" with the steel shaft was much better (and accuracy also improved).

Thoughts?

It would seem logical that all of the variables matter - no? You can definitely feel the difference between a Pro V1 and a Top Flite - Is that just down to sound? How about cast versus steel - down to sound again?

Rob, stick a few cotton balls in your ears and hit a few putts on your bedroom carpet.  The differences in "feel" between different putters/clubs will be greatly reduced when you can hear impact. 

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #111 on: January 10, 2010, 05:23:50 PM »
 ;D

Let's make GCA grate again!

Tom Yost

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2010, 06:14:59 PM »

In other news, I keep my handicap at a course that was built in 1967.  I've proposed an event played from the 1967 tees using only equipment available in 1967.  Interest is wider spread than I expected; rounding up authentic golf balls has been the major hurdle.


That is a really cool idea!  Combine the event with beers and hot dogs at 1967 prices.

Rob Rigg

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #113 on: January 11, 2010, 07:41:31 PM »
Scott, Rob,

I believe it has been scientifically tested and shown that feel is a misnomer. The science showed the perception of feel came from the sound, and that if you took away sound (ear plugs) in a blind test, no one could distinguish "feel".


This is interesting - I have always enjoyed playing steel shafts because I could "feel" the ball much better than I could with graphite shafts. If the heads on the clubs are the same, along with the grips, then the only difference would be shaft material and weight which would contribute to "touch" and "impact feedback" up the shaft.

The most interesting test I did was hitting a persimmon head with a graphite shaft and then with a steel shaft (I did the same with a Ti head). The "feel" with the steel shaft was much better (and accuracy also improved).

Thoughts?

It would seem logical that all of the variables matter - no? You can definitely feel the difference between a Pro V1 and a Top Flite - Is that just down to sound? How about cast versus steel - down to sound again?

Rob, stick a few cotton balls in your ears and hit a few putts on your bedroom carpet.  The differences in "feel" between different putters/clubs will be greatly reduced when you can hear impact. 

Clint - Did you mean "can't" hear impact per Garland's point?

I did a golf ball test this w/e and I could tell the difference between at Pro V1 and HP3 (no cotton balls used) with a putter

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #114 on: January 12, 2010, 05:57:01 AM »
These are the clubs I have been playing with.  Really.

Driver:  Titleist c. 2001.  Bought it out of a rental set at Bandon Dunes when my then-driver [which shall never be named] had its shaft bent in transport.
3-Wood:  Cleveland Classic persimmon, which I bought at Royal Melbourne in 1988 after a previous driver had its shaft bent in transport..

1-iron:  Ping Eye-2, c. 1988.
3-iron through SW:  same.

Putter:  Wilson George Low 600 putter that I've had since I was 13 years old.

(And, yes, that only adds up to 13 clubs.  For a brief time I had an L-wedge just like Tiger's, a gift from a friend, but I was never able to figure out how to play with it.  And I've been happy trying to tackle any course with my wits and the clubs I had.)

However, I've just received a new set of Ping irons from my wife for Christmas.  This was probably a wise choice, because in the past 18 months, I'd lost three clubheads on my old Eye-2 set, snapped off at the hosel at impact.


Wow! I was initially a bit embarassed to post details of what's in my bag, until I saw Tom's set. Up to a few months ago, I had the the following:

Driver: Criterion Scorcher (1987). Tiny head, probably 150 cc. Criterion was a small company put together by a guy from Donegal called Patrick Doherty and the club pro in Derry, Michael Doherty was his name I believe.
3W: Mizuno (no idea what model it is)
1-iron: Ping (1985)
3-SI: Confidence Xebec II (~1986) with square grooves that must be as illegal as you can get. Balata balls were ripped to shreads with these irons.
Putter: Fazer (1986) similar in style to a Ping Anser.

In the last few months, I've decided to move into the 21st century, and upgrade my tools:

Driver: King Cobra LD II F-Speed (2007)
3W: King Cobra LD II F-Speed (2007)
4W - Hybrid 22 degrees: Taylor Made Burner (2007)
Putter: Taylor Made Rossa Fontana

I intend to change my irons in the next couple of months, but haven't decided on what to get. Mizuno TP-62 or TP-67 would be nice.

C. Squier

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #115 on: January 12, 2010, 08:10:51 AM »
Scott, Rob,

I believe it has been scientifically tested and shown that feel is a misnomer. The science showed the perception of feel came from the sound, and that if you took away sound (ear plugs) in a blind test, no one could distinguish "feel".


This is interesting - I have always enjoyed playing steel shafts because I could "feel" the ball much better than I could with graphite shafts. If the heads on the clubs are the same, along with the grips, then the only difference would be shaft material and weight which would contribute to "touch" and "impact feedback" up the shaft.

The most interesting test I did was hitting a persimmon head with a graphite shaft and then with a steel shaft (I did the same with a Ti head). The "feel" with the steel shaft was much better (and accuracy also improved).

Thoughts?

It would seem logical that all of the variables matter - no? You can definitely feel the difference between a Pro V1 and a Top Flite - Is that just down to sound? How about cast versus steel - down to sound again?

Rob, stick a few cotton balls in your ears and hit a few putts on your bedroom carpet.  The differences in "feel" between different putters/clubs will be greatly reduced when you can hear impact. 

Clint - Did you mean "can't" hear impact per Garland's point?

I did a golf ball test this w/e and I could tell the difference between at Pro V1 and HP3 (no cotton balls used) with a putter

Now try the same thing with ear plugs.....

Jeff Shelman

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #116 on: January 13, 2010, 12:22:08 AM »
Here's mine:

Driver: TaylorMade Burner TP (2008 version) w/ Rombax shaft
3 wood: Tour Edge Exotics (original version) 13 degrees
Hybrids: TaylorMade Rescues 16 and 19 degrees
Irons: Callaway X-18 4-PW
Wedges: Scratch JLM 53 and 56 degrees PDG grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Studio Stainless Newport 2.6

Driver is always on probation and I'm kicking around the idea of new irons. We'll see.

Jeff Doerr

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #117 on: January 14, 2010, 10:02:10 PM »
I am GEEKED about my equipment this year!

Driver - Ping G5 10.5
5W - Cleveland Launcher 19
4H - TM Rescue 22
5-PW - Nike Pro Combo
50 and 56 - Cleveland CG11
Putter - Odyssey Rossie
Ball - Pro V1

and....................

My Llama Golf Bag with the Walking Golfer Logo from MacKenzie Golf Bag Company!!!

This year I want to capture the youthful fun of a smaller and lighter set - 12 clubs now, but could be less in the future.
"And so," (concluded the Oldest Member), "you see that golf can be of
the greatest practical assistance to a man in Life's struggle.”

Mark Woodger

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #118 on: January 14, 2010, 11:08:39 PM »
i am glad my fiance isn't home as she just wouldnt understand! :)

Taylor Made driver - tour burner 9.5 alida shaft
callaway steelhead plus, strong 4wood (possible the best club ever)
mizuno 20dgr CLK Fli-Hi hybrid
Mizuno mp60 iron 4-6
Mizuno mp32 iron 7-pw
2x cleveland wedges
putter: taylor made rossa


but i am guessing that for every dime i spent on that little lot, if i had instead spent it on lessons and practice range balls my handicapp would be much much lower than 12.

Dan_Callahan

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #119 on: January 14, 2010, 11:24:12 PM »
Driver: Taylor Made R9
3 wood: Taylor Made 200 series
Hybrid: 19 degree Adams Idea Pro
4-PW: Ping S59
Gap wedge: Cleveland 588 Tour Action
SW: Callaway X-Forged
Putter: Callaway 2-ball blade

Wade Whitehead

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #120 on: April 15, 2010, 01:52:54 PM »
The thread on Hogan irons caused me to look this one up and bump.

Anyone else?

WW

Brian Noser

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2010, 02:16:57 PM »
I'll Bite

Driver: Nickent 4DX with Diamana Whiteboard X-flex
3Wood: Callaway ft Tour 13* Stiff flex shaft not sure which one.Fuji Something.
Hybrid: Titleist 585h 17* Aldila NV shaft
Irons 3-PW: Wilson Staff FI-5
Wedges: Cleveland CG12 54* 58*
Putter: Taylormade Sazuka
Ball: TM TP Red/black. Pro V1,V1x
Bag: Ping Hoofer Vantage

Sweet Hodge Podge...

Richard Hetzel

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2010, 02:33:37 PM »
Driver - Ping Rapture Aldila 65S
3 Wood - Callaway X steel OR Cobra F Speed Rombax
3H - Cleveland HiBore
Irons - 4- PW - Ping ISI Berillyium Copper
SW - Cusom Nike Tiger Woods 56*
SW - Ping ISI
LW - Custom Nike Tiger Woods 60*
Putter -  Cameron Duval, Byron 007, C&L

Best Played So Far This Season:
Crystal Downs CC (MI), The Bridge (NY), Canterbury GC (OH), Lakota Links (CO), Montauk Downs (NY), Sedge Valley (WI)

John Moore II

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #123 on: April 15, 2010, 02:46:12 PM »
Driver:Srixon W-506 7.5 degree
3w-PW Snake Eyes Viper tour, 3 wood, 2 & 3 Hybrid, 5i-PW
GW, SW, LW- Snake Eyes 675TM
Putter: Snake Eyes...something or other, haven't looked at the model in a long time

Thinking of custom making myself a set of Tom Wishon blades once I get back fro my next deployment. Haven't decided what to do with the driver, might go with an Adams Long Drive club (only club I can get in low enough lofts to keep the ball out of the clouds)

Sean Leary

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #124 on: April 15, 2010, 02:59:16 PM »
I'll Bite

Driver: Nickent 4DX with Diamana Whiteboard X-flex


Talk about putting a Ferrari Engine in a Yugo....