Latitude 17.50 N Longitude 62.50W

[Mac Plumart]

I just got back from playing golf, so I haven't had time to read this post in its entirety.

But I saw someone say that Melvyn is the worst part of GCA.  I couldn't disagree with that more.  He pisses people off sometimes with his comments.  But if you take some of this comments with the tone of what might be said having a beer at the 19th hole in a busting balls type of way, it is less inflammatory.  But sometimes his opinions are diametrically opposed to other peoples and feelings will be hurt.  Hey...it happens on a discussion board.

But Melvyn has been instrumental in my golf learning and if people cut to the core of his comments and listen to what he says...quite often he is correct and very insightful.

Concerning Anthony...I think he is funny and has started some great threads.  Perhaps he went over the top on this thread...but again stuff happens on a discussion board.  He said he was backing off.  I trust he will.

[John Mayhugh]

Gentelmen...I am backing off. I called Ran a few days ago. He does want the DG to be mostly about architrecture. So I have started no OT threads since that time and will not in the future.

My comments on this thread should have provoked thought but insted provoked anger.

Some have mentioned contributions the the DG. In the past 6 months How many threads have Bob Huntley or Bill McBride started about architecture? How many have I started about architecture? How many photos have Bob or Bill posted of golf courses? They have contributed in many other ways but this is about GOLF COURSE ARCHITECTURE.

Last week (before speeking to Ran) I started a thread about Golf and College Basketball. It got deleeted. THe thread on Golf and College Football is on its 11th page. Again be blind to the Gorilla.

In the future I will not start OT threads. When I mow the famous courses I will keep that only between my three best friends. Garlad, kalen and Bill McBride. If Bob Huntely offers me advice I will not offer him the same advice back. I have many more photos that I look foward to posting and I hope they will be a positive contribution to the site. Remember when Nixon said to the press "you won't have Richard Nixon to push around enymore"? That was kind of crazy but fuuny too

Anthony,

It's unfortunate that the removal of the college basketball thread you started has hurt your feelings so much.  Did you ask Ran why he deleted that thread and not others?  It seems that the double standard you are concerned with is supposedly one the moderators are using just as much as the other posters.

Your pledge not to start OT threads is interesting, but that's not really the issue.  The biggest problem I see with your posting is that the original topic can be architecture, but you don't usually post about architecture.  You post about "MOM" or what someone was wearing or some other attempt at humor. People who don't want to read the OT threads can just skip them, but your relentless posting is a cancer that permeates every thread.  

One thing I will give you credit for - and it's a dubious honor - is that you've managed to alienate both Bob Huntley & Bill McBride.  These are two of the nicest guys on GCA.  Both are generous, thoughtful, and have contributed more to the group than you or I ever likely will.  Yet you denigrate their participation by saying they haven't recently started architecture threads and that they don't post photos.  Keep in mind that both gentlemen have been on the site for much longer than you have and actually add something to many discussions.  Whether they start a new thread is hardly relevant.  As to posting photos, it's all about you, isn't it?  You like to see the pretty photos, so if they don't post any then they aren't satisfying your definition of participation.  You have posted a couple of great threads (the tour of St. Andrews & Aiken) along with some good golf course photos.  But you've probably posted just as many inane ones of "MOM" or yourself.  So don't pat yourself on the back too much.  Your batting average isn't that high.

[Mike Hendren]

A little wisdom is warranted here:

You better watch out.
You better not cry.
You better not pout.
I'm telling you why.
Santa Claus is coming to town.
He sees you when you're sleeping.
He knows when you're awake.
He knows if you've been bad or good,
so be good for goodness sake.

Bogey

[Chuck Brown]

the boat left under darkness two nights ago.....he had to know someone would have a GPS on it....just keep watching...it should get interesting....

Skipping all but 2 or 3 of the 127 foregoing replies...

I have just read that "Privacy" was still docked in Palm Beach until Saturday, Dec. 19 [well after this thread was started], and that Tiger apparently "left with some golfing buddies" at that time.

So what was the genesis of this entire topic?  Not looking for an argument; I was just trying to understand the nature of, and basis for, the cryptic title and the subsequent speculation.

Oh, and forgive me if I didn't read all however-many pages of this, and I am woefully late to the party, but those coordinates are in the middle of the Arabian Sea, right?  Not St. Barts or St. Barths or whatever... right?  Or am I that bad at using a new Mapquest feature for the first time...?

[John Moore II]

Chuck: there really was no purpose, thats kind of what I hinted at when this topic was first posted. And fairly well without basis, this topic is, as well. But 62.5W would be somewhere in the Caribbean, longitudes run east and west from Greenwich. And the Caribbean is west of there. 62.5 East, though probably would be in Arabia somewhere.

[Chuck Brown]

Chuck: there really was no purpose, thats kind of what I hinted at when this topic was first posted. And fairly well without basis, this topic is, as well. But 62.5W would be somewhere in the Caribbean, longitudes run east and west from Greenwich. And the Caribbean is west of there. 62.5 East, though probably would be in Arabia somewhere.

Ooops.  Like I said, first-time user of Mapquest's Latitude/Longitude finder.
"-62.50" = W, "62.50" = E.  Only a hemisphere away. 
Good thing I'm not in charge of the next space shuttle, or directions across town.

So, I am presuming that if we are to believe the cryptic topic title to be both true and relevant to anything, the OP somehow got info that "Privacy" was probably advance-cleared into the port of Gustavia in the Caribbean.  (I remember that the newlywed Mr. and Mrs. Woods were stopped briefly on their honeymoon when they were cruising on Privacy and had failed to make provision for an advanced clearance into a Caribbean port.)  And that right now, that is where the boat is heading?

[John Moore II]

Chuck, at this moment, I don't believe much of anything posted in this thread. You make your own decision.

[Melvyn Morrow]

John/Chuck

This is what happens when you fit GPS systems to carts. One is bad enough but mix them and you find you are either located in your golf bag or are looking for someone in the middle of the sea.

I keep telling you guys these things are not necessary to play the game of golf and from what you have said John they seem rather unreliably useless too.

Have a nice day and trust your car Sat Nav is more reliable other wise the sea may tarnish your feet, John

Melvyn

PS Thanks John about not believing anything, however I believe Pat is rather serious in his dislike for me, so I think you should believe that if nothing else.

[JESII]

Just out of curiosity, where did Bob say "Privacy" was there?

[Mike Vegis @ Kiawah]

You're not going to get any privacy in St. Barts.  The island is totally built out.  It's wall-to-wall people.  I was there about a year ago (after a 10 year hiatus) and I couldn't believe how much it had changed.  It's no longer a sleepy, laid-back French island.  There were 100 foot mega-yachts stacked up all along the main dock area of Gustavia.  The place sucks now.  No way anyone would go there if they were trying to escape prying eyes unless they holed up in a villa and never saw the light of day...

[John Moore II]

JKM.

"And where is this information coming from?"

Where on earth do you think?

From one of the twenty or so boats that are anchored in the harbor.

It may be "Random, user created nonsense: certainly it's stupid either way" as you so wrote. However, I see you participated in the twenty page thread of the other Tiger nonsense, why denigrate this? 

Should you come up with the tired old argument about not architecture related, then you'll lose half the content of this site. Which on the whole might be a good thing.

Bob
 

Jim: Thats when Bob said it was there. Or at least strongly implied it.

[JESII]

John, that's where Bob implied a friend in one of the other boats called and said Tiger is in St. Bart's.

[Chuck Brown]

Chuck, at this moment, I don't believe much of anything posted in this thread. You make your own decision.

My strong advice is to definitely not believe anything that I have written.

[Mike_Young]

Two things.....
I bet the boat was not in Palm Beach on Sat and I also bet that "Privacy" is no longer on the boat.....

[Kevin_Reilly]

http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=3775

[Andrew Mitchell]

Gentelmen...I am backing off. I called Ran a few days ago. He does want the DG to be mostly about architrecture. So I have started no OT threads since that time and will not in the future.

My comments on this thread should have provoked thought but insted provoked anger.

Some have mentioned contributions the the DG. In the past 6 months How many threads have Bob Huntley or Bill McBride started about architecture? How many have I started about architecture? How many photos have Bob or Bill posted of golf courses? They have contributed in many other ways but this is about GOLF COURSE ARCHITECTURE.

Last week (before speeking to Ran) I started a thread about Golf and College Basketball. It got deleeted. THe thread on Golf and College Football is on its 11th page. Again be blind to the Gorilla.

In the future I will not start OT threads. When I mow the famous courses I will keep that only between my three best friends. Garlad, kalen and Bill McBride. If Bob Huntely offers me advice I will not offer him the same advice back. I have many more photos that I look foward to posting and I hope they will be a positive contribution to the site. Remember when Nixon said to the press "you won't have Richard Nixon to push around enymore"? That was kind of crazy but fuuny too

Anthony,

It's unfortunate that the removal of the college basketball thread you started has hurt your feelings so much.  Did you ask Ran why he deleted that thread and not others?  It seems that the double standard you are concerned with is supposedly one the moderators are using just as much as the other posters.

Your pledge not to start OT threads is interesting, but that's not really the issue.  The biggest problem I see with your posting is that the original topic can be architecture, but you don't usually post about architecture.  You post about "MOM" or what someone was wearing or some other attempt at humor. People who don't want to read the OT threads can just skip them, but your relentless posting is a cancer that permeates every thread.  

One thing I will give you credit for - and it's a dubious honor - is that you've managed to alienate both Bob Huntley & Bill McBride.  These are two of the nicest guys on GCA.  Both are generous, thoughtful, and have contributed more to the group than you or I ever likely will.  Yet you denigrate their participation by saying they haven't recently started architecture threads and that they don't post photos.  Keep in mind that both gentlemen have been on the site for much longer than you have and actually add something to many discussions.  Whether they start a new thread is hardly relevant.  As to posting photos, it's all about you, isn't it?  You like to see the pretty photos, so if they don't post any then they aren't satisfying your definition of participation.  You have posted a couple of great threads (the tour of St. Andrews & Aiken) along with some good golf course photos.  But you've probably posted just as many inane ones of "MOM" or yourself.  So don't pat yourself on the back too much.  Your batting average isn't that high.

I haven't been near GCA.com for a few days and I don't usually get involved in these threads but having read this one I must say that I agree with every word that John Mayhugh posted above.

[Melvyn Morrow]

Quotes by John & Andrew

By John
It's unfortunate that the removal of the college basketball thread you started has hurt your feelings so much.  Did you ask Ran why he deleted that thread and not others?  It seems that the double standard you are concerned with is supposedly one the moderators are using just as much as the other posters.

Your pledge not to start OT threads is interesting, but that's not really the issue.  The biggest problem I see with your posting is that the original topic can be architecture, but you don't usually post about architecture.  You post about "MOM" or what someone was wearing or some other attempt at humor. People who don't want to read the OT threads can just skip them, but your relentless posting is a cancer that permeates every thread. 

One thing I will give you credit for - and it's a dubious honor - is that you've managed to alienate both Bob Huntley & Bill McBride.  These are two of the nicest guys on GCA.  Both are generous, thoughtful, and have contributed more to the group than you or I ever likely will.  Yet you denigrate their participation by saying they haven't recently started architecture threads and that they don't post photos.  Keep in mind that both gentlemen have been on the site for much longer than you have and actually add something to many discussions.  Whether they start a new thread is hardly relevant.  As to posting photos, it's all about you, isn't it?  You like to see the pretty photos, so if they don't post any then they aren't satisfying your definition of participation.  You have posted a couple of great threads (the tour of St. Andrews & Aiken) along with some good golf course photos.  But you've probably posted just as many inane ones of "MOM" or yourself.  So don't pat yourself on the back too much.  Your batting average isn't that high.

BY Andrew
I haven't been near GCA.com for a few days and I don't usually get involved in these threads but having read this one I must say that I agree with every word that John Mayhugh posted above.

Gentlemen

I do not doubt that Anthony has made some errors, which his posts have tried to inject some humour. He is not alone is making mistakes or upsetting others, but then I see NO ONE on GCA.com being that pure that they have to right to judge others.

Get real this is a discussion group that many are proud to belong to (apparently) yet hardly ever post a comment let alone a topic. Anthony and I for all our faults do try in our own way. What do the silent majority do, keep clear of the fray, but it’s a discussion group is that not the reason you joined it in the first place.

Yes, some subjects should not have been posted, some little thought would have helped, but then has John post added to the quality of this topic or has it just added more petrol to the fire. Double standards are very much a part of this site today and has been for a while, you have shown it in your post above, so has Andrew when he agreed with you. You said about Anthony “but your relentless posting is a cancer that permeates every thread.” However, you make no comment about the post made by Pat Craig post #121 and his open hostility, not one single word from either of you. Practice what you preach seems a reasonable suggestion.

Tolerance on this site is disgraceful and many should be bloody ashamed of themselves. Look to ourselves as to what is wrong, look to those who seek others thrown off because they do not agree with their point of view, how many of you have the BALLS to say that this is wrong, lets me remind you very, very few.

Accuse me of elitism, and all the other names you seem to love to throw at me but that poison is more suitably redirected back at those who show no tolerance for others.

Anthony I believe was wrong, it was not his best performance, but then how many of you are so perfect that they do not misjudge things?

Anthony is I believe trying to put it behind him, he has made a statement, if Bill & Bob are still unhappy let them contact Anthony. I am certain peace and harmony will be resumed between the upset parties. There is no need for some of us the try and stick in the knife again, unless I have totally misjudged the Members of this site and they are still seeking the proverbial pound of flesh which does smack of double standards and kicking some when they are already down and at Christmas time as well.

Clearly many Gentlemen no longer play the great game of Golf or seem to be Members of GCA.com, yet I am certain that Bob & Bill are and will honourably clear the air with Anthony.

Melvyn

[Phil McDade]

A little wisdom is warranted here:

You better watch out.
You better not cry.
You better not pout.
I'm telling you why.
Santa Claus is coming to town.
He sees you when you're sleeping.
He knows when you're awake.
He knows if you've been bad or good,
so be good for goodness sake.

Bogey

Bogey:

I've always liked this one, as well -- with lyrics written by a couple of good ole' boys from your neck of the woods, I believe. All the best to you and yours this holiday season!
-------------------------------------------------

I broke my bat on Johnny's head;
Somebody snitched on me.
I hid a frog in sister's bed;
Somebody snitched on me.
I spilled some ink on Mommy's rug;
I made Tommy eat a bug;
Bought some gum with a penny slug;
Somebody snitched on me.

Oh, I'm gettin' nuttin' for Christmas
Mommy and Daddy are mad.
I'm getting nuttin' for Christmas
'Cause I ain't been nuttin' but bad.

I put a tack on teacher's chair
Somebody snitched on me.
I tied a knot in Susie's hair
Somebody snitched on me.
I did a dance on Mommy's plants
Climbed a tree and tore my pants
Filled the sugar bowl with ants
Somebody snitched on me.

So, I'm gettin' nuttin' for Christmas
Mommy and Daddy are mad.
I'm gettin' nuttin' for Christmas
'Cause I ain't been nuttin' but bad.

I won't be seeing Santa Claus;
Somebody snitched on me.
He won't come visit me because
Somebody snitched on me.
Next year I'll be going straight;
Next year I'll be good, just wait
I'd start now, but it's too late;
Somebody snitched on me.

So you better be good whatever you do
'Cause if you're bad, I'm warning you,
You'll get nuttin' for Christmas.

[John Mayhugh]

Melvyn,
I have actually stood up for you before (see the "Doak build a 10 on the moon thread" for one example). 

I might be inclined to do that more often, but you take offense at so much it hardly merits me posting an opinion every time.  Go back and count up how many times you've threatened to leave GCA or implied as much.  Add that to mentions about Ran removing you.  It is hard to take that kind of stuff seriously. 

Spare me the platitudes on tolerance.  You're every bit as intolerant as I am.  It's just that different things matter to you.

[PCCraig]

Quotes by John & Andrew

By John
It's unfortunate that the removal of the college basketball thread you started has hurt your feelings so much.  Did you ask Ran why he deleted that thread and not others?  It seems that the double standard you are concerned with is supposedly one the moderators are using just as much as the other posters.

Your pledge not to start OT threads is interesting, but that's not really the issue.  The biggest problem I see with your posting is that the original topic can be architecture, but you don't usually post about architecture.  You post about "MOM" or what someone was wearing or some other attempt at humor. People who don't want to read the OT threads can just skip them, but your relentless posting is a cancer that permeates every thread. 

One thing I will give you credit for - and it's a dubious honor - is that you've managed to alienate both Bob Huntley & Bill McBride.  These are two of the nicest guys on GCA.  Both are generous, thoughtful, and have contributed more to the group than you or I ever likely will.  Yet you denigrate their participation by saying they haven't recently started architecture threads and that they don't post photos.  Keep in mind that both gentlemen have been on the site for much longer than you have and actually add something to many discussions.  Whether they start a new thread is hardly relevant.  As to posting photos, it's all about you, isn't it?  You like to see the pretty photos, so if they don't post any then they aren't satisfying your definition of participation.  You have posted a couple of great threads (the tour of St. Andrews & Aiken) along with some good golf course photos.  But you've probably posted just as many inane ones of "MOM" or yourself.  So don't pat yourself on the back too much.  Your batting average isn't that high.

BY Andrew
I haven't been near GCA.com for a few days and I don't usually get involved in these threads but having read this one I must say that I agree with every word that John Mayhugh posted above.

Gentlemen

I do not doubt that Anthony has made some errors, which his posts have tried to inject some humour. He is not alone is making mistakes or upsetting others, but then I see NO ONE on GCA.com being that pure that they have to right to judge others.

Get real this is a discussion group that many are proud to belong to (apparently) yet hardly ever post a comment let alone a topic. Anthony and I for all our faults do try in our own way. What do the silent majority do, keep clear of the fray, but it’s a discussion group is that not the reason you joined it in the first place.

Yes, some subjects should not have been posted, some little thought would have helped, but then has John post added to the quality of this topic or has it just added more petrol to the fire. Double standards are very much a part of this site today and has been for a while, you have shown it in your post above, so has Andrew when he agreed with you. You said about Anthony “but your relentless posting is a cancer that permeates every thread.” However, you make no comment about the post made by Pat Craig post #121 and his open hostility, not one single word from either of you. Practice what you preach seems a reasonable suggestion.

Tolerance on this site is disgraceful and many should be bloody ashamed of themselves. Look to ourselves as to what is wrong, look to those who seek others thrown off because they do not agree with their point of view, how many of you have the BALLS to say that this is wrong, lets me remind you very, very few.

Accuse me of elitism, and all the other names you seem to love to throw at me but that poison is more suitably redirected back at those who show no tolerance for others.

Anthony I believe was wrong, it was not his best performance, but then how many of you are so perfect that they do not misjudge things?

Anthony is I believe trying to put it behind him, he has made a statement, if Bill & Bob are still unhappy let them contact Anthony. I am certain peace and harmony will be resumed between the upset parties. There is no need for some of us the try and stick in the knife again, unless I have totally misjudged the Members of this site and they are still seeking the proverbial pound of flesh which does smack of double standards and kicking some when they are already down and at Christmas time as well.

Clearly many Gentlemen no longer play the great game of Golf or seem to be Members of GCA.com, yet I am certain that Bob & Bill are and will honourably clear the air with Anthony.

Melvyn

Melvyn-

Anthony may of acted like an asshole, but you "Sir" are the whole ass.

Guess what genius: John didn't mention my "hostile" post because he, in some general sense, agrees with me. As do many others who used to post on this board before you and Anthony began to pollute this board with your crap.

Would you really like to talk about adding "petrol" to the fire? How about every one of your totally hostile and repetitive threads on walking, yardage markers, Tiger Woods, and your family tree?

You're right that I am angry. I'm angry that nearly every once great poster and source of information on GCA.com has left for greener pastures due to yours and others lack of any sort of a brain. How can anyone blame them? How is Anthony's posting of another self serving "Grey Scale" thread with his two lame-o buddies in cahoots posting responses going to redeem the fact that he acted like a giant douche in 3267 of his 3459 posts.

I propose Ran starts an OT section of the website devoted to off topic and general discussion, then a password protected section for your bullshit.

But then again, nothing will happen of you. A year from now you'll still be posting threads on Tiger's behavior, how cart path's on Donald Trump's new course in Scotland are ruining the game of golf, and how no one really plays "golf" because we don't always walk and may use a yardage marker or two. As I've said before, every Village needs an idiot. But three, four, or five is pushing it.

[Garland Bayley]

Pat,

Get over yourself!

[Melvyn Morrow]

Pat

Re My Family Tree, I forgot to mention that my Uncle was a Sir. He was Sir Ian Morrow, Knighted in the 1970's for saving Rolls Royce from going bust. Sorry but you can't call me 'Sir' as the knighthood died with my uncle.

Merry Christmas

Melvyn

[PCCraig]

Pat

Re My Family Tree, I forgot to mention that my Uncle was a Sir. He was Sir Ian Morrow, Knighted in the 1970's for saving Rolls Royce from going bust. Sorry but you can't call me 'Sir' as the knighthood died with my uncle.

Merry Christmas

Melvyn

Looks like every bit of true accomplishment in your family left was with your Uncle.

Once again you sure like to hide behind others accomplishments. Which raises the question: what have you done? Have you accomplished anything in your own life? Or is yours one of your constant and hopeless crusaide against carts, Tiger Woods, and yardage markers on an online golf discussion board?

[Melvyn Morrow]

Pat

May your God be with you.

Have a meaningful life.

Melvyn
   


John

I am not leaving, I will not be driven out. As I can’t walk far I can’t play golf, nor will I use a cart as it is not golf playing golf, so do you think I will be driven from GCA.com.

As far as Ran and others, I have and am trying to act in an honourable way by that I mean if they do not want me then I will leave due to a majority vote going against me or by the owner asking for my departure. Yes, I keep repeating it due to the comments of some who want me out, who do not seem to agree with freedom of speech or majority rule, but that's their problem.

John I have never claimed to be whiter than the driven snow, I am just an ordinary guy prone to the joys and disappointments of life, with perhaps just one minor addition, Mr P Craig. 

Melvyn

[Matt MacIver]

For some reason I just devoted 5 minutes of my life and read the last 20-some posts.   

More importantly, I'm playing golf tomorrow!