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noonan

Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2009, 05:58:03 PM »
Sawgrass 8, 9, & 10 or 16, 17, & 18

JohnV

Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2009, 06:01:34 PM »
Oakmont 4-5-6, 7-8-9, 8-9-10 or 11-12-13 - Take your choice

Sean_A

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2009, 06:12:54 PM »
From the handicap golfer's perspective I am gonna pip up for Burnham & Berrow's 12, 13 & 14 stretch (though I think the 7,8 & 9 stretch is more fun and the 3,4 & 5 stretch is very fine).  None are overly long holes, in fact, from the daily tee I think they total less than 1100 yards.  The approach for the par 4 12th is evil.  The par 5 13th is one of the very best reachable par 5s in golf (and foolishly the club wants to eliminate this tee).  The par 3 14th has a green which is oh so difficult to hit or recover to.  I always think that the guys who slip by this section in one over have done well. 

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Gene Greco

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2009, 06:30:21 PM »

If the wind is up, #15-17, or #16-18 (take your pick) at Sand Hills.  


Scott,

With the prevailing wind, do those holes play downwind ?


Patrick,

    I know Tom Paul has mentioned on more than one occasion that Ran M has the biggest hat size he has ever seen.  (Having seen Mr Morrisett last at The Links Club I would tend to agree but I have been assured it is filled with grey matter).

However, Tom has failed to mention how astounded I am of the thickness of the bone which makes up your skull.

There is NO PREVAILING WIND AT THE SAND HILLS GOLF CLUB. That FACT has been stated and implied ad naseum on here.

Furthermore, if there was a prevailing wind you would not have known about it as yours was the only group in 14 years of my experience that had no significant wind to speak of during your golfing retreat. ???

What is the source of your steady succession of misinformation regarding Sand Hills?

Geez, you seemed happy when you were there and Ran sure seems stoked to be at Sand Hills as well, evidenced by the photo below.

I am a sane and rational man all the time but your continual thoughtlessness might move me to put a call in to the local napalm supplier and head to Boca Rio.  ;)



« Last Edit: December 16, 2009, 06:33:27 PM by Gene Greco »
"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

Paul Carey

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #29 on: December 16, 2009, 06:43:31 PM »
3-5 at Old Memorial in Tampa.  4 is a pretty tough par three but 3 and 5 are killers.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #30 on: December 16, 2009, 08:58:44 PM »
Oakmont 4-5-6, 7-8-9, 8-9-10 or 11-12-13 - Take your choice

Pick any three at Oakmont!   :o

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #31 on: December 16, 2009, 10:17:08 PM »
Bill,

Do you think that # 9 at Oakmont is that difficult.

Gene,

Can I help it if there was no breeze, let alone no wind.
You were our host, you were supposed to take care of the wind.

However, it appears that the predominant orientation of airport runways in that region run from NW to SE,
Secondary orientation seems to be W to E, hence it seems likely that there are predominant winds, either from the NW, W or SE, E.

If that's the case, then # 16, 17 and 18 would be playing downwind if the winds were from the W or NW.

You probably didn't notice or understand the direction of the wind/s because you were out riding around in a golf cart in the dark for hours after dinner with TEPaul , when the wind finally started to blow.

TEPaul couldn't go back to his room since he left the lights on and the windows and doors open.
Every bug in western Nebraska was in his room, having been swept there by a NW wind  ;D

I do think that the 17th hole from the upper tee had to be one of the most difficult holes I've ever played or seen.
From up on that back tee, with or without a wind, that's a very, very difficult hole.

The only problem with that green was that there were some small stones on it that could easily deflect a mishit putt into the hole, or deflect a perfect putt, away from the hole.

With respect to that picture, Ran and I were having a very competitive match, when, just as we were preparing to hit our drives  on # 5 tee when we heard a commotion, a ruckus.  When we looked up, there was TEPaul and some other deranged individuals huddled in the back of a white pickup truck, looking for the Constellation routing.  I said to Ran, "This is embarrassing, pretend that we don't konw them."  Ran said, "know whom ?"  We smiled, and then continued our match, shaking our heads at what we had just seen.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2009, 10:23:57 PM by Patrick_Mucci »

Bill_McBride

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2009, 10:22:29 PM »
Bill,

Do you think that # 9 at Oakmont is that difficult.

Good point - as a par 5 it's the easiest hole on the course.  As a par 4 in the last couple of Opens (or maybe just the last), it probably wasn't a difficult par for the professionals.

So I'll say any combination of the remaining 17 holes!

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #33 on: December 16, 2009, 10:25:56 PM »
Bill,

You're disqualified.

It has to be a Par 3, par 4 and par 5, and as a par 5, # 9 is fairly benign, although, you can make a big number if you don't hit the fairway with your drive.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2009, 10:34:49 PM »
DQ....... :-\

11-13, like every three hole stretch at Oakmont, has caused me some heartburn.  So that would be my choice there.

How's that work for you?

JC Jones

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2009, 11:01:53 PM »
Bill,

Do you think that # 9 at Oakmont is that difficult.

Gene,

Can I help it if there was no breeze, let alone no wind.
You were our host, you were supposed to take care of the wind.

However, it appears that the predominant orientation of airport runways in that region run from NW to SE,
Secondary orientation seems to be W to E, hence it seems likely that there are predominant winds, either from the NW, W or SE, E.

If that's the case, then # 16, 17 and 18 would be playing downwind if the winds were from the W or NW.

You probably didn't notice or understand the direction of the wind/s because you were out riding around in a golf cart in the dark for hours after dinner with TEPaul , when the wind finally started to blow.

TEPaul couldn't go back to his room since he left the lights on and the windows and doors open.
Every bug in western Nebraska was in his room, having been swept there by a NW wind  ;D

I do think that the 17th hole from the upper tee had to be one of the most difficult holes I've ever played or seen.
From up on that back tee, with or without a wind, that's a very, very difficult hole.

The only problem with that green was that there were some small stones on it that could easily deflect a mishit putt into the hole, or deflect a perfect putt, away from the hole.

With respect to that picture, Ran and I were having a very competitive match, when, just as we were preparing to hit our drives  on # 5 tee when we heard a commotion, a ruckus.  When we looked up, there was TEPaul and some other deranged individuals huddled in the back of a white pickup truck, looking for the Constellation routing.  I said to Ran, "This is embarrassing, pretend that we don't konw them."  Ran said, "know whom ?"  We smiled, and then continued our match, shaking our heads at what we had just seen.

I'm not kidding when I say this; and let me further qualify with the fact that I've not met Ran, Pat nor Gene and have only had one phone conversation with Tom; but this post paints as good of a picture of what sounds like a great golf trip among GCA dorks as I've read on this site.
I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

JohnV

Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2009, 11:39:33 PM »
Bill,

Do you think that # 9 at Oakmont is that difficult.


I do based on the green as much as anything.  That is a very 3 and even 4 puttable green if you get on the wrong side of it

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2009, 08:24:28 AM »
JVB,

You can't look at the green without looking at the approach shot it receives.

It's not like the shot coming into # 5 at PV, or # 1 and/or # 10 at WFW.

While any green can be 3 and 4 putted, I think it's an exaggeration to claim that green will be 3 and 4 putted, especially when the green can be hit in two, or with a lofted club/wedge in regulation.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2009, 11:25:00 AM »
6-7-8 Inverness Club

5-6-7 Pine Valley

14-15-16 Deal

Scott unfortunately 4 at Sandwich is a great par 4 and ruined as a 5. 6-7-8 at Sandwich has it's moments, 7 plays down wind so my -4 for 3 rounds wasn't too impressive but 8 especially off the back tee is one of the toughest holes I've ever played.
Cave Nil Vino

Scott Szabo

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2009, 10:47:11 PM »
Bill,

Do you think that # 9 at Oakmont is that difficult.

Gene,

Can I help it if there was no breeze, let alone no wind.
You were our host, you were supposed to take care of the wind.

However, it appears that the predominant orientation of airport runways in that region run from NW to SE,
Secondary orientation seems to be W to E, hence it seems likely that there are predominant winds, either from the NW, W or SE, E.

If that's the case, then # 16, 17 and 18 would be playing downwind if the winds were from the W or NW.

You probably didn't notice or understand the direction of the wind/s because you were out riding around in a golf cart in the dark for hours after dinner with TEPaul , when the wind finally started to blow.

TEPaul couldn't go back to his room since he left the lights on and the windows and doors open.
Every bug in western Nebraska was in his room, having been swept there by a NW wind  ;D

I do think that the 17th hole from the upper tee had to be one of the most difficult holes I've ever played or seen.
From up on that back tee, with or without a wind, that's a very, very difficult hole.

The only problem with that green was that there were some small stones on it that could easily deflect a mishit putt into the hole, or deflect a perfect putt, away from the hole.

With respect to that picture, Ran and I were having a very competitive match, when, just as we were preparing to hit our drives  on # 5 tee when we heard a commotion, a ruckus.  When we looked up, there was TEPaul and some other deranged individuals huddled in the back of a white pickup truck, looking for the Constellation routing.  I said to Ran, "This is embarrassing, pretend that we don't konw them."  Ran said, "know whom ?"  We smiled, and then continued our match, shaking our heads at what we had just seen.

So, Mr. Mucci - who won said match with Mr. Morrissett?  I'm sure there's a story to tell on that one...
« Last Edit: December 17, 2009, 11:31:07 PM by Scott Szabo »
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

JWL

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2009, 11:11:29 PM »
Boot Ranch finishing holes 16-18.

John Kirk

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2009, 12:01:35 AM »
Pumpkin Ridge - Witch Hollow 5-6-7 is the course's most difficult stretch, especially from the back tees.  But there are more difficult stretches out there.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2009, 11:28:11 AM »
Scott,

I'll tell you the ENTIRE story tonight or over this weekend

Scott Szabo

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2009, 11:46:34 AM »
Scott,

I'll tell you the ENTIRE story tonight or over this weekend

Great - I'm looking forward to it.  Should make for some entertaining reading!

"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2009, 06:23:59 PM »
Scott Szabo,

Since you requested it, I'm going to relate the "TRUE" story.
You need not listen to any other versions.

Gene Greco was kind enough to invite a group of us to Sand Hills in the summer of 2005..

TEPaul, Neil Regan, Tom Huckaby, Ran Morrisett, Bob Huntley, Gene and forgive me, but I can't remember the other/s name/s, joined us.  RJ Daley and others joined us for a round at Wild Horse.

The flight out was interesting, but not as funny as the flight home.
TEPaul was on the same flight with me.
I managed to get us upgraded to First Class where we sat together for the flight from Newark to Denver.
When we arrived in Denver, we had to change planes for our Flight to North Platte, NE.
(two years later I would hire a gorgeous staff assistant from ........ North Platte, NE.)
As we were walking through the Denver Airport we had a bite to eat, checked in at the other airline, went through security again and walked to the gate for our flight.  When they began to board the plane, we had to present our boarding passes.

I produced mine, but, TEPaul was unable to find his.
He searched everywhere, but couldn't locate it.
I told him that he had it when he went through the security checkpoint, so he must have lost it somewhere between the security checkpoint and the gate.
I told him that I would wait at the gate to make sure they didn't leave without us, and that he should back track and try to find his tickeet
TEPaul then began to backtrack from the gate to the security checkpoint.
As he was wandering about the airport, which is huge, a woman approached the gate and produced TEPaul's ticket, which she had found on the ground.
Now, a lot of time is goiing by, and they're about to close the doors, and TEPaul is nowhere to be found.
Our clubs are on that plane, and I'm not letting them out of my sight/care/reach, but, I can't abandon TEPaul.
I tell the gate agent, listen, you can't close the doors and take off without us.
She says, we have a schedule to follow and the plane has to take off on schedule, your friend will just have to catch another flight.
I then tell her, look, he's not my friend, he's my ward, my responsibility, he's a little slow, challenged, if you know what I mean.
I then ask her if she's seen "Rain Man".  She says, "yes", and I say, well, it's a similar situation, we're traveling together, all the way from Philadelphia, PA to Nebraska, to visit with friends and relatives and he can't be left on his own.  I said, He just lost his ticket in the five minutes it took us to walk between here and the security check point and now he's roaming around, lost somewhere in this airport, not knowing that someone found his ticket and has turned it in.

I then said, you've got to help me find him, I promised his family that I'd take good care of him, I can't lose and abandon him in the Denver Airport,  and you've got to let us on this plane.  
She said, OK, but, you'd better hurry because the flight is giong to leave shortly, with or without you.
I then asked her how we could page him in the airport.  She picked up the phone, dialed some numbers and then I grabbed the phone and said, TOM PAUL, please report to the Great Lakes Airline counter at Gate xyz.
Three time I did this.
Then, who appears out of the crowd, TEPaul himself, who says, he still can't find his ticket.

While winking at the woman, I tell TEPaul not to worry, that I've bought him another ticket, and to get on the airplane.
He's still babbling about the fact that he can't believe he lost his ticket, when the woman says to him, don't worry, your friend is going to take very good care of you, just listen to whatever he tells you

We then board the plane and take off for North Platte.

To be continued.










« Last Edit: December 18, 2009, 06:36:57 PM by Patrick_Mucci »

Scott Szabo

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2009, 06:28:41 PM »
Scott Szabo,

Since you requested it, I'm going to relate the "TRUE" story.
You need not listen to any other versions.

Gene Greco was kind enough to invite a group of us to Sand Hills in the summer of 2005..

TEPaul, Neil Regan, Tom Huckaby, Ran Morrisett, Bob Huntley, Gene and forgive me, but I can't remember the other/s name/s, joined us.  RJ Daley and others joined us for a round at Wild Horse.

The flight out was interesting, but not as funny as the flight home.
TEPaul was on the same flight with me.
I managed to get us upgraded to First Class where we sat together for the flight from Newark to Denver.
When we arrived in Denver, we had to change planes for our Flight to North Platte, NE.
(two years later I would hire a gorgeous staff assistant from ........ North Platte, NE.)
As we were walking through the Denver Airport we had a bite to eat, checked in at the other airline, went through security again, walked to the gate.  When they began to board the plane, we had to present our boarding passes.

I produced mine, but, TEPaul was unable to find his.
He searched everywhere, but couldn't locate it.
I told him that he had it when he went through the security checkpoint, so he must have lost it somewhere between the security checkpoint and the gate.
TEPaul then began to backtrack from the gate to the security checkpoint.
As he was wandering about the airport, which is huge, a woman approached the gate and produced TEPaul's ticket.
Now, a lot of time is goiing by, and they're about to close the doors, and TEPaul is nowhere to be found.
Our clubs are on that plane, and I'm not letting them out of my sight/care/reach, but, I can't abandon TEPaul.
I tell the gate agent, listen, you can't close the doors and take off without us.
She says, we have a schedule to follow and the plane has to take off on schedule, your friend will just have to catch another flight.
I then tell her, look, he's not my friend, he's my ward, my responsibility, he's a little slow, challenged, if you know what I mean.
I then ask her if she's seen "Rain Man".  She says, "yes", and I say, well, it's a similar situation, we're traveling together to visit with friends and relatives and he can't be left on his own.  I said, He just lost his ticket between here and the security check point and now he's roaming around, lost somewhere in this the airport, not knowing that someone found his ticket and has turned it in.

I then said, you've got to help  me find hm and you've go to let us on this plane. 
She said, OK, but, you'd better hurry because the flight is giong to leave shortly, with or without you.
I then asked her how we could page him in the airport.  She picked up the phone, dialed some numbers and then I grabbed the phone and said, TOM PAUL, please report to the Great Lakes Airline counter at Gate xyz.
Three time I did this.
Then, who appears out of the crowd, TEPaul himself, who says, he still can't find his ticket.

While winking at the woman, I tell TEPaul not to worry, that I've bought him another ticket, and to get on the airplane.
He's still babbling about the fact that he can't believe he lost his ticket, when the woman says to him, don't worry, your friend is going to take very good care of you, just listen to what he tells you

We then board the plane and take off for North Platte.

To be continued.












I think this is going to be quite a story to follow.....

"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2009, 09:39:18 PM »
On the flight from Denver to North Platte we meet some fellows from California who, just like us, are here to meet up with friends from across the country, at Sand Hills.

So, we land in North Platte, meet up with RJ Daley and others, stay overnight and drive to play Wild Horse the next morning.

Interstate 80 is at the base of the foothills, as are the railroad tracks that run East & West.
North Platte has one of the, if not THE largest rail yards in the U.S.
When you exit I-80 to go to Wild Horse, you have to cross the railroad tracks.
It’s not unusual for trains with 200+ cars loaded with coal to delay your ability to cross the tracks.
Just when you get excited because you can see the Caboose on the train that’s taken forever to pass in front of you, another train with 200+ cars comes along  in the other direction, further delaying your trip.  I believe that Nebraska might even have a law intended to limit the amount time you can be delayed at a crossing.  I don’t know how they’d inforce that law, but, when the crossing gate goes up, you zoom across the tracks, always afraid that another train with 200+ cars will be come along and delay you further.  I saw this happen when the line of cars waiting to cross was long and some of the drivers slow on the peddle.

We finally make it to Wild Horse, where the Nebraska State Amateur is being conducted concurrently.  We play the golf course, and, to the man, everyone is impressed and loves the place.  If time had permitted, we would have played another 18.  Some, including Tom Paul, followed a few holes of the Semi-finals or Finals of the tournament.  In one match, a young, former USC scholarship golfer was paired against a high school kid who absolutely bombed the ball with 300+ yard drive.  TEPaul was waxing poetic, if not euphoric about this 17 year old phenomenon.  That’s when I decided that I would not room with TEPaul, wisely choosing George Bahto instead.

We left Wild Horse, but, couldn’t stop talking about it in our long drive to Sand Hills.
Once you leave the flats just north of North Platte and begin your ascent to Sand Hills, the terrain transitions into an unlimited haven for natural golf courses.  The abundance of natural blow-outs, hills and undulating ground would allow for an unlimited amount of golf courses.  After many hours of driving, without seeing another car on the road, we finally make our turn into Sand Hills.
As we make our turn into Sand Hills, TEPaul is still talking about the 17 year old high school phenomenon, reconfirming my roommate selection.
We arrive at Sand Hills and check in.   I’m pleasantly surprised by the physical plant, it’s low key, modern and comfortable.  George Bahto is my roommate.  Ran Morrissett is TEPaul’s roommate.  I think to myself, hmmm Ran looks pretty young for his age, but, not quite 17.

We have cocktails, where we meet Dick Youngscap, the founder, owner and driving force behind this wonderful club.  He’s most hospitable, downright gracious, answering all our questions and filling us in on details known only to him.  One of the fascinating details is how the cost of land in those parts is determined by how much land it takes to support a cow and her calf.  And, how he ended up pruchasing the land that Sand Hills sits on, and then, more land which Coore & Crenshaw thought was essential to designing the best course posible.

Then we have dinner at a large table that sat a party of 12+ quite comfortably.
California is well represented with Tom Huckaby and Bob Huntley.   We have a great time at dinner.  The food is great, the servers attractive and efficient, the wine flows freely as do our conversations.  We tell stories, golf and non-golf and just have a great time.  Even though many of us have never met before, we become instant friends.
I run into some folks I know from New Jersey and Pennsylvania, who, like us, are also meeting up with friends from across the country for golf and comraderie in this splendid setting.  There group and our group also hit it off.  There's a common bond with everyone, golf, and that bond makes us all, instant comrades.

We walk outside after dinner, and before we head back to our rooms, look up into the sky.
It’s magnificent, there’s not a cloud in the sky, the air is crystal clear and the sky is filled with millions upon millions of stars.  It’s like nothing I’ve ever seen.  Because there’s no ambient light, it’s basically pitch black, therefore, stars that otherwise go unseen, are shining in all their glory.
It seems as though you could reach up and pluck the stars from the sky, they seem so bright and so close.

Now, we head back to our rooms.
As I’m putting the key in the door I hear a familiar voice yelling.
It’s quite a commotion.

It appears as though Ran’s roommate, TEPaul, left every light on in their room, which isn’t such a big deal.  Unfortunately, he also left the doors and windows open and every bug within 50 miles was now inhabiting their room.

TEPaul claims that he left the back sliding door and back windows open so that he could listen to the sounds of the stream that was behind their cabin.

Of course, TEPaul is impervious to bugs.  He smokes constantly, sometimes with three or more cigarettes in his mouth at the same time,  Hence, there’s not a bug that will go within 20 feet of him.  Ran, on the other hand, represented a free meal, fresh meat from North Carolina, and was set upon by swarm after swarm when he entered the room.  TEPaul’s solution to the problem was to tell Ran that he should start smoking.

As we returned to our cabin, I couldn’t help but think how lucky I had been in making my roommate selection.

The next morning at breakfast, Ran was covered in Calamine lotion and looked like a pin cushion.

The golf part of the story will follow.
« Last Edit: December 18, 2009, 09:47:54 PM by Patrick_Mucci »

Jason Hines

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2009, 08:02:48 PM »
Bump.

Patrick,

Your trip to SH is similar to my first... Please continue when you can...

Scott Szabo

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2009, 10:03:47 AM »
Agreed....
"So your man hit it into a fairway bunker, hit the wrong side of the green, and couldn't hit a hybrid off a sidehill lie to take advantage of his length? We apologize for testing him so thoroughly." - Tom Doak, 6/29/10

Patrick Kiser

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Re: Most difficult stretch of three holes, par 3, 4 and 5 ?
« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2009, 11:37:47 AM »
Nothing to contribute, but noticing one thing...

I think maybe 1 or 2 public courses were mentioned out of all listed.

Coincidence?  I think not...

“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect