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Scott Warren

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Re: Starting Mon, 11/30 - Get To Know Scott Warren
« Reply #75 on: December 02, 2009, 06:45:31 PM »
It was more strategic than anything else! Bought me a few extra hours after the game was run and won!

James Boon

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Re: Starting Mon, 11/30 - Get To Know Scott Warren
« Reply #76 on: December 03, 2009, 03:44:01 AM »
Would your stay here have been more or less enjoyable if it hadn't been an Ashes summer?  Did you get to any of the games?
The only match I went to was an Aus v WI/NZ v Scotland doubleheader T20 match at The Oval. It was delayed by 90mins, so we were on the sauce with urgency by 9am and I spent half of WI's innings (our match was the second of the day) asleep in a stall in one of the toilets ;D

That afternoon did spawn a great quote, though. A TV journo put it to Ricky Ponting that if the Aussies lost their next game they were out of the tournament and Punter replied with: "Yeah, that's right. It's the ultimate motivation, really. If we lose that match we have to go and spend a week in Leicester preparing for the first test, and trust me - no one wants to spend a week in Leicester!"

Scott,

Asleep in a toilet cubicle? What a classy fellow you are!  ;D

And I spent 5 years at university in Leicester! (So I can see where Ponting is coming from  ::) )

And I suspect a lot of my fellow Englishmen think as I do. We will occasionally partake in banter of an Ashes nature but the reason you didn't get so much of it isn't really us being polite. Its just that excessive ribbing about the result seems a bit like poking a sleeping crocodile, or whatever the expression is!  ;) Afterall, the first time we beat Ponting and his men at home, we lost the next one away 5 v 0!

Cheers,

James
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Starting Mon, 11/30 - Get To Know Scott Warren
« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2009, 04:21:31 AM »
James,
I suggest we have a game of beach cricket during next year’s BUDA on the beaches of Gower Peninsula so that Mr Warren could show us how Aussies play cricket! And also to show the Yanks how to play a proper bat and ball game!

Scott,
Did you say that you worked for the Daily Mail? – My sister was in a Mail on Sunday magazine article on 22nd Nov. What part of journalism do you specialise in? If you are interested about Golf Journalism – I have a friend who was the ex editor of Today’s Golfer and Fore (now extinct) magazines. He now runs the Golf Magic website – www.golfmagic.com

Going back to NSW – having seen the photos on GCA and watching the Australian Open this morning on Sky Sports – I get the general feeling that the revetted bunkers do not fit in with this course. They are more suited to the links courses of GB & I. What would I do with them – I would create waste like areas and deep camouflage bunkers which would give it a more natural look – examples would be Barnbougle Dunes, Friars Head and Pacific Dunes.

The 3rd hole is a quirky hole – would it be better if some of the trees on the left were removed and the hole shortened into a risk and reward short par 4???

I understand that you are a fervent supporter of NSW as it is in your backyard. I would be the same for Carnoustie and Royal Porthcawl! But St Enodoc???? it is one of the best and most fun links courses I have ever played!! I played it before McEvoy changed the 16th urrrghh! And I am not a fan of 13 and 14th holes but the rest of the course is awesome and unusual you wont find anything like this on the planet. May be a second visit there with fellow GCAers would help to change your mind.

If you ever plan to play Brancaster and Hunstanton or Luffenham Heath and Rutland Water give me a shout.

Cheers
Ben

Scott Warren

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Re: Starting Mon, 11/30 - Get To Know Scott Warren
« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2009, 06:43:27 AM »
Asleep in a toilet cubicle? What a classy fellow you are!  ;D

It was purely strategic, truly. I used to do it at work a bit when I was younger and I'd had a late one the previous night. I'd often hit the wall at about 3pm, so I'd go to the loo, put my phone in my chest pocket and set the alarm for 15mins time and that was enough to re-energise me. I knew we were going for tea after the cricket, so I needed a new lease of life. It works a charm, too. I highly recommend it.

Scott Warren

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Re: Starting Mon, 11/30 - Get To Know Scott Warren
« Reply #79 on: December 03, 2009, 07:18:56 AM »
James,
I suggest we have a game of beach cricket during next year’s BUDA on the beaches of Gower Peninsula so that Mr Warren could show us how Aussies play cricket! And also to show the Yanks how to play a proper bat and ball game!

Not a bad idea, that!

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Scott,
Did you say that you worked for the Daily Mail? – My sister was in a Mail on Sunday magazine article on 22nd Nov. What part of journalism do you specialise in?

I've spent the past year sub-editing on London Lite, and just recently started working at the Mail Online (same company) after Lite folded. For three years before I left Aus I was editing suburban newspapers and before that was the sports editor at a regional bi-weekly.

I'd still say sport's my speciality, and definitely what I see myself returning to long-term.

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If you are interested about Golf Journalism – I have a friend who was the ex editor of Today’s Golfer and Fore (now extinct) magazines. He now runs the Golf Magic website – www.golfmagic.com

I'll drop you a PM!

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Going back to NSW – having seen the photos on GCA and watching the Australian Open this morning on Sky Sports – I get the general feeling that the revetted bunkers do not fit in with this course. They are more suited to the links courses of GB & I. What would I do with them – I would create waste like areas and deep camouflage bunkers which would give it a more natural look – examples would be Barnbougle Dunes, Friars Head and Pacific Dunes.

You may well be right. Waste bunkers have come in or been extended on 4, 5, 9, 10, so perhaps that's in in their plans?

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The 3rd hole is a quirky hole – would it be better if some of the trees on the left were removed and the hole shortened into a risk and reward short par 4???

I don't think so. For starters clearing scrub is far from easy because it's a national park, secondly, it's still a pretty wide corridor, which narrows a bit the closer you get to the green, but if you take the line down the path off the tee and accept a 160m second, you are hitting into an open area the size of a cricket field. It's enormous.

You could remove the LHS greenside bunker to make it more attractive to flirt with the left off the tee, but really, anyone who doesn't know where there is and isn't space after one or two plays only has themselves to blame.

It's already a risk/reward par four, because the green is infinitely easier to hit with a 8i-W than a 5i or 6i (much moreso than the way any hole is easier with a shorter club), so there is a reason to try to cut off as much of the corner as you can.

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I understand that you are a fervent supporter of NSW as it is in your backyard. I would be the same for Carnoustie and Royal Porthcawl! But St Enodoc???? it is one of the best and most fun links courses I have ever played!! I played it before McEvoy changed the 16th urrrghh! And I am not a fan of 13 and 14th holes but the rest of the course is awesome and unusual you wont find anything like this on the planet. May be a second visit there with fellow GCAers would help to change your mind.

I would quite like to play it again, but I don't see why they needed such thich rough immediately adjoining such narrow fairways.

For instance there is that tallish dune about 180m from the third tee, on the left. It's covered in 'lost ball' rough. Now if they cut that rough back, you find your pill and have a blind 130m or so shot from rough with the ball below your feet or on some other sort of uneven lie. From memory it would be to a green that slopes away from you ever so slightly?

Why is that not preferable to hitting three off the tee for all involved? The course has still taken a pound of flesh for a mis-hit drive, but the golfer is given the chance to recover and keep moving.

Any golfer, particularly a 15+ hcp is going to miss plenty of those narrow fairways, so why then roger them with a lost ball, given that in the example I mention above, they are still quite likely to make a bogey on a hole where par is not to difficult?

Without dragging over too much old ground, I thought 4 wasn't even nearly tempting enough to be a great reachable par four, 9 is pretty bland, 10 is ridiculously narrow (again - lost ball rough on a severe slope right with a creek flanking the left: mow it a bit, let them find it then sweat like hell hoping they don't hook it with the ball above their feet straight into the creek), 13-14 I didn't strongly dislike, but they were fairly out of character with the rest (especially 14), 15 suffered for having a road right in front of the green, I thought.

It's not a huge amount of crap, but I thought it just kept interrupting the flow, for me. Loved 1 and 2 has a great green despite being too narrow - then 3 and 4 slowed me up. 5-8 I really enjoyed, then 9-10 slowed me up. 11-12 were fun and suble, then 13-15 slowed me up. 16-18 was probably, neck and neck with RSG, the best finish I have played in the UK behind Deal.

Those are just the observations I made playing it once. I may we way off-line. Though I was alone and stuck behind a slow two-ball, so I had plenty of time for observation and thinking.

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If you ever plan to play Brancaster and Hunstanton or Luffenham Heath and Rutland Water give me a shout.

Will do.

Sean_A

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Re: Starting Mon, 11/30 - Get To Know Scott Warren
« Reply #80 on: December 03, 2009, 07:43:43 AM »
James,
I suggest we have a game of beach cricket during next year’s BUDA on the beaches of Gower Peninsula so that Mr Warren could show us how Aussies play cricket! And also to show the Yanks how to play a proper bat and ball game!

Not a bad idea, that!

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Scott,
Did you say that you worked for the Daily Mail? – My sister was in a Mail on Sunday magazine article on 22nd Nov. What part of journalism do you specialise in?

I've spent the past year sub-editing on London Lite, and just recently started working at the Mail Online (same company) after Lite folded. For three years before I left Aus I was editing suburban newspapers and before that was the sports editor at a regional bi-weekly.

I'd still say sport's my speciality, and definitely what I see myself returning to long-term.

Quote
If you are interested about Golf Journalism – I have a friend who was the ex editor of Today’s Golfer and Fore (now extinct) magazines. He now runs the Golf Magic website – www.golfmagic.com

I'll drop you a PM!

Quote
Going back to NSW – having seen the photos on GCA and watching the Australian Open this morning on Sky Sports – I get the general feeling that the revetted bunkers do not fit in with this course. They are more suited to the links courses of GB & I. What would I do with them – I would create waste like areas and deep camouflage bunkers which would give it a more natural look – examples would be Barnbougle Dunes, Friars Head and Pacific Dunes.

You may well be right. Waste bunkers have come in or been extended on 4, 5, 9, 10, so perhaps that's in in their plans?

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The 3rd hole is a quirky hole – would it be better if some of the trees on the left were removed and the hole shortened into a risk and reward short par 4???

I don't think so. For starters clearing scrub is far from easy because it's a national park, secondly, it's still a pretty wide corridor, which narrows a bit the closer you get to the green, but if you take the line down the path off the tee and accept a 160m second, you are hitting into an open area the size of a cricket field. It's enormous.

You could remove the LHS greenside bunker to make it more attractive to flirt with the left off the tee, but really, anyone who doesn't know where there is and isn't space after one or two plays only has themselves to blame.

It's already a risk/reward par four, because the green is infinitely easier to hit with a 8i-W than a 5i or 6i (much moreso than the way any hole is easier with a shorter club), so there is a reason to try to cut off as much of the corner as you can.

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I understand that you are a fervent supporter of NSW as it is in your backyard. I would be the same for Carnoustie and Royal Porthcawl! But St Enodoc???? it is one of the best and most fun links courses I have ever played!! I played it before McEvoy changed the 16th urrrghh! And I am not a fan of 13 and 14th holes but the rest of the course is awesome and unusual you wont find anything like this on the planet. May be a second visit there with fellow GCAers would help to change your mind.

I would quite like to play it again, but I don't see why they needed such thich rough immediately adjoining such narrow fairways.

For instance there is that tallish dune about 180m from the third tee, on the left. It's covered in 'lost ball' rough. Now if they cut that rough back, you find your pill and have a blind 130m or so shot from rough with the ball below your feet or on some other sort of uneven lie. From memory it would be to a green that slopes away from you ever so slightly?

Why is that not preferable to hitting three off the tee for all involved? The course has still taken a pound of flesh for a mis-hit drive, but the golfer is given the chance to recover and keep moving.

Any golfer, particularly a 15+ hcp is going to miss plenty of those narrow fairways, so why then roger them with a lost ball, given that in the example I mention above, they are still quite likely to make a bogey on a hole where par is not to difficult?

Without dragging over too much old ground, I thought 4 wasn't even nearly tempting enough to be a great reachable par four, 9 is pretty bland, 10 is ridiculously narrow (again - lost ball rough on a severe slope right with a creek flanking the left: mow it a bit, let them find it then sweat like hell hoping they don't hook it with the ball above their feet straight into the creek), 13-14 I didn't strongly dislike, but they were fairly out of character with the rest (especially 14), 15 suffered for having a road right in front of the green, I thought.

It's not a huge amount of crap, but I thought it just kept interrupting the flow, for me. Loved 1 and 2 has a great green despite being too narrow - then 3 and 4 slowed me up. 5-8 I really enjoyed, then 9-10 slowed me up. 11-12 were fun and suble, then 13-15 slowed me up. 16-18 was probably, neck and neck with RSG, the best finish I have played in the UK behind Deal.

Those are just the observations I made playing it once. I may we way off-line. Though I was alone and stuck behind a slow two-ball, so I had plenty of time for observation and thinking.

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If you ever plan to play Brancaster and Hunstanton or Luffenham Heath and Rutland Water give me a shout.

Will do.

Scott

All this rough you speak of must be new.  I didn't think it was bad at all the last time I played in the summer.  Though two of the hot spots you mention could do with some grim reaper treatment. Left of #s 2 & 3.  I understand not cutting back #3 because there is LOADS of room IF you LAY-UP.  With a driver in the hands most people need more room left because of the road right and crossing. 

You are not tempted to reach the 4th green or the flat short of it?  You must be a very disciplined guy!  Besides the temptation factor, I think the hole is terrific because the land used is poor.  I spose a par 4 could have been built, but the current hole is a much bolder statement - the use of the oob is outstanding. 

#10, again, there is loads of room if you lay-up.  Unless 1) the hole is playing into a headwind, 2) you can carry the right dune or 3) you are dead accurate; there is no way YOU should hit driver.  I usually don't like lay-up holes where the second is longer than the first, but in the case of the 10th I make an exception.  First, the lay of the land takes balls well left toward the green so the second shot isn't nearly as risky as you imply.  Second, folks bitch about this hole because its not a par 5.  That is no argument IMO because changing the par in no way effects the hole - it remains the same. 

Like the 4th, I think you are missing a trick with the 14th. This is a marvelous hole created from a poor piece of land.  Having the green fallaway is a stroke of genius for this short hole.

You can take heart with your views.  I think most golfers see it your way and don't think St Enodoc is a great course.     

Ciao
New plays planned for 2024:Winterfield, Alnmouth, Camden, Palmetto Bluff Crossroads Course, Colleton River Dye Course  & Old Barnwell

Scott Warren

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Re: Starting Mon, 11/30 - Get To Know Scott Warren
« Reply #81 on: December 03, 2009, 08:05:17 AM »
My missus' folks want to come back to see us next spring/summer and rent a house down in Cornwall for a day. If it goes ahead, I'll post a thread on here with plenty of notice so we can maybe have a GCA day there and I can see what I missed the first time!

14 green is pretty cool, by the way. I did overlook that.

Ben Stephens

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Re: Starting Mon, 11/30 - Get To Know Scott Warren
« Reply #82 on: December 03, 2009, 01:38:14 PM »
Scott,

It seems to me that you are an another conservative golfer like Boony!! Last time I played St Enodoc - I cleared the  road crossing on the 3rd fairway off the tee! - only had a sand wedge in! and the fourth drove the green risk and reward - it was simple and I got rewarded with back to back birdies! lol. I get the general feeling that in the UK the fairways tend to be narrower than the huge fairway widths in the US!!   

Hunstanton has quite tight fairways but Brancaster has generous fairway widths. It varies throughout links courses and I felt the fairway widths at St Enodoc was generous but it is all about plotting your way round. There are many choices of shots - be conservative or take the risk at St. Enodoc. St Mellion is the opposite - one dimensional and the toughest JN course I have played on!
But given the choice I would go to St. Enodoc all the time as it would play differently every time

It seems that nowadays that the European pro golfers are more accurate off the tee than the Americans as there are narrower fairways on the European Tour.

Cheers
Ben

 

Scott Warren

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Re: Starting Mon, 11/30 - Get To Know Scott Warren
« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2009, 06:49:19 AM »
What about #13?  How's it stack up vs say #12 or #15?  I LOVED those cross bunkers.

Sorry, Bill. I completely missed this at the time.

I love them when I'm not in them. You know what's funny though? I didn't know they were there for the first 3-4 times I played the course.

I once posted here asking Chappers when they were taken out, because they were still in the Google Maps aerial, then I went back to look at my pics and there they were, so I quickly went in and edited the question out, I think before anyone saw it!

Lo and behind, next time I head down there, there they are!

I still reckon the hole would be better with the RHS one taken out so the really greedy golfer can try to knock it close in summer and when it's downwind, by flying those short traps and risking the bushes and rough right of the fairway, but I am probably wrong!

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