[Ryan Admussen]

I played Big Sky just outside of Whistler this past summer, and thoroughly enjoyed it, by far my favorite of the 4 area courses, great course to walk, and a great deal in a place like Whistler, not familiar with much of his work other than Crosswater, just wondering what other courses are worth a look and what others opinions were on his work, thanks!

[Robert Thompson]

I've only played Big Sky once, but I recall thinking that if you took the mountains away, you might end of with a central FLA course. The sight is as flat as a table, with all these man-made ponds and a little stream that cuts across one of the par-5s early in the round like a dozen times (okay, maybe not that much, but you get the point). In Ontario I've played his work at Deerhurst Highlands (aesthetically bland, but a pretty good course nonetheless), Mad River (eccentric, interesting in spots, less so in others) and Beacon Hall (generally thought to be in the Top 10 in the country, though I think that is 15 spots too high.)

He's big on strategy, but his aesthetics are less than appealing.

[Bill_McBride]

Cupp did some work at Columbia-Edgewater in Portland some years ago.  The only thing I know he did for sure is to build a new 17th green.   It is completely out of character with the other 17 greens, kind of a potato chip.

[Lynn_Shackelford]

Looks like the best work he did was on the background.  The mountains are great.  I haven't seen or played a Cupp course that interests me enough for a second play.  My opinion.

[cary lichtenstein]

I played all the courses there and I did not find the course special, only the background, but I like the work Cupp did here in Fl at Frenchman's Creek.

I thought the best course at Whistler was RTJ's course, Whistler. Lots of rock outcropping, big topographical changes, but I'm always liking mountain courses for those reasons.

[Ryan Admussen]

I've only played Big Sky once, but I recall thinking that if you took the mountains away, you might end of with a central FLA course. The sight is as flat as a table, with all these man-made ponds and a little stream that cuts across one of the par-5s early in the round like a dozen times (okay, maybe not that much, but you get the point). In Ontario I've played his work at Deerhurst Highlands (aesthetically bland, but a pretty good course nonetheless), Mad River (eccentric, interesting in spots, less so in others) and Beacon Hall (generally thought to be in the Top 10 in the country, though I think that is 15 spots too high.)

He's big on strategy, but his aesthetics are less than appealing.

yah that would be the 4th hole, it was my least favorite on the course, have you played the other courses in whistler? do you have a favorite?

[A.G._Crockett]

There are three very good Bob Cupp courses in Georgia that I've played and like a lot, and another that is NLE that I thought was excellent as well.

1. Settindown Creek in Roswell (owned by the Ansley Golf Club) is excellent; hosted the Nike Tour Championship, a number of NCAA events, and the Women's Am a couple of years ago.  Great golf course.

2. Hawk's Ridge in Ball Ground, GA, which is on many Top 100 lists.  Possibly the best conditioned course that I have ever been on, and as good a collection of par 4's as I have ever played.

3. Savannah Harbor, which has hosted a Champions Tour event.

The Woodyard was a Cupp design outside Savannah that I really liked, but was VERY quickly built over by Greg Norman.  I haven't played it since the redesign, but haven't heard great things about what happened to a very good golf course.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Here is one of many prior threads:

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,23733.0/

[Steve_ Shaffer]

See the Feature Interview:

http://golfclubatlas.com/feature-interview/bob-cupp-september-2004

[Robert Thompson]

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yah that would be the 4th hole, it was my least favorite on the course, have you played the other courses in whistler? do you have a favorite?
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I've played all of them -- and can't say I'm a huge fan of any of them. When in that part of the world, play Shaughnessy and Capilano, or make a trip and play Victoria and Colwood on the island.

I've interviewed Cupp and really enjoyed him. He's an interesting man. His golf courses, on the other hand, are good, but not great. Can't say I've seen a ton, but that was my take on those I have seen.

[Ryan Admussen]

yah that would be the 4th hole, it was my least favorite on the course, have you played the other courses in whistler? do you have a favorite?
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I've played all of them -- and can't say I'm a huge fan of any of them. When in that part of the world, play Shaughnessy and Capilano, or make a trip and play Victoria and Colwood on the island.

I've interviewed Cupp and really enjoyed him. He's an interesting man. His golf courses, on the other hand, are good, but not great. Can't say I've seen a ton, but that was my take on those I have seen.
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Trust me I'd be all over the chance to play Shaughnessy or Capilano ! Is it true that Shaughnessy has to move as the lease on the land is up? I was thinking of getting tickets to the Canadian Open when it's there in 2011

[Brian Phillips]

I played together with Bob in Australia a few weeks ago and he hits a mean ball.  He is 70 next year and was easily hitting it 240 yards on the fly.  I have never played any of his courses but he did mention that he worked with Nicklaus in his early days including The Australian.

[Robert Thompson]

Ryan -- Indeed Shaughnessy will have to move, but it is still more than a decade away.

Go and play Tobiano or Sagebrush, instead of heading to Whistler, if you want a better golf experience.

[Gary Slatter]

He did a fine job on MAD RIVER in Ontario, IMHO has two nines better than the good nine at Beacon Hall, Deerhurst has 17 good to great holes (the 1st hole was not supposed to be the first hole), he was the main man for Glen abbey and Muirfield Village while with Nicklaus.  Pumpkin Ridge?     I think Bob's work in Ontario ceased when he renovated Rosedale (ruined a par 3) and Summit.

[Ronald Montesano]

Jay Flemma can speak to this better, but I believe that Cupp has the notoriety of being told "hands off" the greens at Leatherstocking, the fine Dev Emm property in Cooperstown, NY (BB hall of fame land.)  Good thing, in my opinion.

[Ryan Admussen]

Ryan -- Indeed Shaughnessy will have to move, but it is still more than a decade away.

Go and play Tobiano or Sagebrush, instead of heading to Whistler, if you want a better golf experience.

Great setting at Tobiano, but is it that much better than all of the other cart only courses(Tower Ranch,The Rise etc.) in the Okanagan? Also not sure what the real estate plan is but hopefully the houses don't take over.

Sagebrush is definitely on my must play, the thread on Sagebrush is actually how I found this site.

[Sean Leary]

I am a fan of Witch Hollow at Pumpkin Ridge. Underrated on this site. Although I don't love 18...

[Mark Luckhardt]

Mad River GC near Stayner, Ontario has a view to Georgian Bay, and is a real sleeper, and great work by Cupp.

[Rob Rigg]

Pretty sure Cupp did NOT touch Summit - Doug Carrick did the tweaking there - I think.

I play out of Ghost Creek at Pumpkin Ridge and have also played Witch Hollow before - two good courses - not great - but solid, especially for Portland.

I was having this discussion with a couple of guys recently - Cupp - IMO - is in the "second tier" of modern golf architects based on what I have seen in Oregon and at Beacon Hall.

While C&C and Doak brought the new world order into GCA in the 90s and 00s - Cupp was producing some decent routings with artificial mounding, boring bunkering and predictable greens that could have been better - decent strategy though at times.

[Jason Topp]

Starr Pass in Tucson is a very unique design I have played many times although not for many years. 

I have always had mixed thoughts about the course.  Very demanding, particularly on higher handicaps.  Some greens that are a strangely proportioned.  The 7th is extremely narrow.  The 15th is extremely shallow and runs from front to back - extremely difficult.

It is a beautiful piece of property although I am told housing has encroached greatly.

There used to be many, many rattlesnakes.

They added 9 holes 10 years ago or so but I have never played them.

I would go back and play it but there are better value courses in the area.

[Ian Andrew]

Pretty sure Cupp did NOT touch Summit - Doug Carrick did the tweaking there - I think.

Cupp built (at least) the 13th hole and the 14th green.

[Rob Rigg]

Pretty sure Cupp did NOT touch Summit - Doug Carrick did the tweaking there - I think.

Cupp built (at least) the 13th hole and the 14th green.

Thx Ian - Eek! That must have been before my dad joined in the mid-90s? - I was not aware that #13 had changed and I always thought the 14th green was pushed up like that. Interesting. The only addition I remember was the creation of the par 3 to the side of the 5th tee to use when work was going on elsewhere and also when, unfortunately, the 7th was shut down permanently. 

[Tom Yost]

Starr Pass in Tucson is a very unique design I have played many times although not for many years. 

I have always had mixed thoughts about the course.  Very demanding, particularly on higher handicaps.  Some greens that are a strangely proportioned.  The 7th is extremely narrow.  The 15th is extremely shallow and runs from front to back - extremely difficult.

It is a beautiful piece of property although I am told housing has encroached greatly.

There used to be many, many rattlesnakes.

They added 9 holes 10 years ago or so but I have never played them.

I would go back and play it but there are better value courses in the area.

Palmer Design added the 9-holes and remodeled the Cupp 18.  I haven't played Starr Pass in either configuration.

There is another Cupp in the Phoenix area, Tatum Ranch.  I played it a couple of times after it opened in the late 80's.  A pretty good course with interesting greens.  Although it is part of a real estate development, it at least has a double fairway routing so the housing is not too intrusive.

[Ian Andrew]

The 14th green was a two tier green where the front was on the grade of the approach and the back was the same height. It was considered too severe since a putt from the back would roll off the front.

The old back tee from 13 is still there, but everything else is Bob.

[Rob Rigg]

Ian,

I wish you would get a chance to do some work on Summit - especially if you could figure out a way to get #7 back in play (or at least figure out a continuous routing).

I have not seen the course in a while but have heard that it could use some love around the edges and some work done on the bunkers. As called out in Planet Golf, it really is a fun track with a lot of history - truly a lovely walk through nature as Cumming and Thompson intended.

I digress.

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