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Patrick Kiser

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2011, 04:49:26 PM »
The course looks awesome...


George,

That's because ... it is awesome.  Trust me on this.



Tim,

You ok in the membrane?  ???

“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Kyle Henderson

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2011, 05:34:56 PM »
How does the saying go?  Only the third owners ever make any money on a golf course?

Sad news.  The course looks awesome...

It's a very special place that very few people know about. I really hope something great happens quickly. I've been trying to promote this club for a couple of years now (not in any official capacity), and I really hope the right people come in to give this story a happy ending.
"I always knew terrorists hated us for our freedom. Now they love us for our bondage." -- Stephen T. Colbert discusses the popularity of '50 Shades of Grey' at Gitmo

Steve_Roths

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2011, 05:37:59 PM »
This would be a great fit for the Ritz Carlton that just opened out there as well. 

Kalen Braley

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2011, 05:39:11 PM »
Will all them high rollers in Tahoe,

It could be the Shadow Creek of the Reno/Tahoe area.  Forget Edgewood down by the lake...its good but nothing special!

An aerial shows about half of the holes growing in when it was last taken

http://maps.google.com/?ll=39.100426,-119.842494&spn=0.011873,0.018904&t=h&z=16

Patrick Kiser

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2011, 05:55:07 PM »
I've been trying to promote this club for a couple of years now (not in any official capacity), and I really hope the right people come in to give this story a happy ending.


Ditto.  Just about everyone asks me about the bag tag I still carry and I do my best to put in the good word as well.  They just look at me like ... whatever dude.

Tough market these days...
“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Chris Johnston

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2011, 06:03:44 PM »
Clear Creeks looks awesome!

Pete_Pittock

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2011, 06:06:39 PM »
If you're going to sell it to the south shore casinos you better offer helicopter rides. Even then it doesn't have lake frontage or lake views. It does have exclusivity. Investors will have to gamble on a nice basic clubhouse with small premium dining ala RCCC.

astavrides

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #32 on: July 14, 2011, 08:38:57 PM »

It could be the Shadow Creek of the Reno/Tahoe area. 
 

Public would be good.  Shadow Creek rates would be bad.

JWL

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #33 on: July 14, 2011, 08:53:48 PM »
Great pics.    This is one of the very best sites I have ever been on.    I did a wonderful routing on this property prior to C&C getting involved.   One of the neat things about the site that may not be known is that when you drive into the site, there is an open meadow.   This is the same meadow that the beginning of Bonanza was filmed, where the brothers come riding over the ridge and the screen burns open.   Some of you younger guys may not know what I'm talking about.   The little Bonana family house where the filming took place is nearby also.     Much smaller than you can imagine.    Fantastic site......sand, sand and more sand on a mountain side.   Very cool.

Jed Peters

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2011, 12:19:51 AM »
This would be a great fit for the Ritz Carlton that just opened out there as well. 

You mean the one that just got foreclosed on itself and is an our away also?

Thank god I didn't buy a membership at CCT....

Joel_Stewart

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2011, 12:24:40 AM »
I am very sad to report that Clear Creek has been foreclosed upon (yes, I checked with a reliable source), despite the promising prognosis during my visit there in June.

Hopefully, things will work out quickly with new investors and the club can reach its very high potential.

I couldn't find anything on Google about a forclosure and I wondering what bank or investor now owns the property?


Jed Peters

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2011, 02:14:40 PM »
I am very sad to report that Clear Creek has been foreclosed upon (yes, I checked with a reliable source), despite the promising prognosis during my visit there in June.

Hopefully, things will work out quickly with new investors and the club can reach its very high potential.

I couldn't find anything on Google about a forclosure and I wondering what bank or investor now owns the property?



http://www.recordcourier.com/article/20110625/NEWS/110629915

Looks like it can be picked up for a cheap 1.7m.

Doesn't seem like a bad deal, actually.

Tim Leahy

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2011, 02:40:35 PM »
The course looks awesome...


George,

That's because ... it is awesome.  Trust me on this.



Tim,

You ok in the membrane?  ???



Ok, maybe not Trump!
But I just would hate to see it become NLE.
Isn't Michael Jordan playing up there right now and doesn't he hate people around him?
MJ could buy it with pocket change and keep it private.
I love golf, the fightin irish, and beautiful women depending on the season and availability.

Peter_Herreid

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2011, 02:55:02 PM »
I have read the link above, and I cannot find a statement in that article that says that the golf course itself is one of the parcels being auctioned off, or even that the golf course itself is available.  The acreage being auctioned off appears to account for roughly 33% of the entire property.  Is it even known that the foreclosure auction has anything to do with the club structure?

Jed Peters

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2011, 03:00:45 PM »
I have read the link above, and I cannot find a statement in that article that says that the golf course itself is one of the parcels being auctioned off, or even that the golf course itself is available.  The acreage being auctioned off appears to account for roughly 33% of the entire property.  Is it even known that the foreclosure auction has anything to do with the club structure?

Peter:

No. Presumably it's attached, however.

I found this in an article from February, 2001:

Clear Creek Ranch, which consists of eight parcels totaling 530 acres that had been approved for 163 cottage homes and 221 lots at the upper end of Clear Creek, saw a decrease in value.

The taxable value of the property was reduced from $11.65 million to $5.15 million. The entire subdivision's taxable value is now $6.23 million.

The newly completed 191-acre Clear Creek Golf Course was valued at $1.74 million.


Presumably, these are the nine (9) parcels referenced in the article owned by Clear Creek LLC I and II.
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SB

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2011, 03:40:14 PM »
The parcels in the article relate to the housing surrounding the course.  The auction for the golf course was last week.   

George Freeman

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2011, 03:42:53 PM »
The parcels in the article relate to the housing surrounding the course.  The auction for the golf course was last week.   

Do you know what the course sold for?  Did it include the clubhouse, fixtures, ground maintenance equip, etc (i.e. "turn key")?
Mayhugh is my hero!!

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Joel_Stewart

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Re: A Pictorial: Clear Creek Tahoe!!!
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2011, 07:47:39 PM »

This was the article.  Any new information?

Another large development in Douglas County is headed for the courthouse steps.

According to a June 21 notice of trustee's sale, eight parcels owned by Clear Creek Ranch LLC II and one parcel owned by Clear Creek Ranch LLC are scheduled to be publicly auctioned off at 10 a.m. July 19 on the front steps of the old courthouse in Minden.

The estimated amount still owed under a 2006 deed of trust is nearly $17 million, the notice states.

According to the Douglas County Assessor's website, the subject parcels total 568.63 acres.

The massive development, under its current form, was first approved by Douglas County commissioners in November 2003. The 1,576-acre property spans the northern line of Douglas County through scenic forest and meadows along Highway 50. Development plans include 384 residences, a golf course, clubhouse, 853 acres of permanent open space, as well as an underpass to the subdivision that was completed in 2007.

The project has been the subject of ongoing controversy since its approval eight years ago.

In December 2003, property owners in Alpine View Estates filed a lawsuit against Douglas County and the board of county commissioners to block development of Clear Creek, charging the development was approved without a board majority. The lawsuit also argued the board didn't follow the county's master plan guidelines.

In May 2004, Douglas County District Court Judge Dave Gamble ordered development plans be sent back to the county for review. After county commissioners once again approved the project in June of that year, Gamble denied the development, ruling commissioners abused their discretion and acted arbitrarily when amending the master plan.

Clear Creek LLC quickly appealed Gamble's decision to the Nevada Supreme Court, joined by Douglas County in the appeal. Settlement negotiations began late in 2004, but fell through in by the early spring 2005.

In 2006, the Nevada Supreme Court finally ruled that the residential subdivision could move forward. Not long after, economic recession began reversing years of growth and demand in the region.

Last year, before the Board of Equalization, Clear Creek developers sought and obtained a reduction in land value, arguing costs to develop were estimated to be much higher than finished value.

“In the current economic climate there is a very limited chance of getting financing or bonding to do the improvements,” Syncon Homes' Andrew Mitchell wrote in the request. “We're requesting that the property be reverted back to ag until we're able to develop.”

Eight parcels totaling 530 acres, which had been approved for 163 cottage homes and 221 lots, saw a decrease in value in 2010 from $11.65 million to $5.15 million.

The 191-acre Clear Creek Golf Course was valued at $1.74 million last year.