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Bill Brightly

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #500 on: October 30, 2009, 08:31:43 PM »
Raynor: St. Louis CC, Minnesota Valley,Waialae
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Jim Colton

Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #501 on: October 30, 2009, 08:32:57 PM »
Okay, I'll let Jud amend his pick.
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JC Jones

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #502 on: October 30, 2009, 08:34:28 PM »
Quote from: Bill Brightly on October 30, 2009, 08:31:43 PM
Raynor: St. Louis CC, Minnesota Valley,Waialae

St Louis taken in 6th round.
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Eric Smith

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #503 on: October 30, 2009, 08:37:59 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on October 30, 2009, 07:45:42 PM

However, there are many "claims" for different architects here that I would disagree with.  I wouldn't give Milwaukee CC to Colt -- it was really Alison -- and to my knowledge Mr. Colt never set foot on Woodhall Spa.  


Tom:

I'm sure you're probably right. Again, I chose them because they were both listed in the Golf Magazine Top 100 rankings, World and U.S, as Colt courses.  The commish laid it out at the beginning, if the architect is named on these lists, they're in.

Woodhall Spa
Harry Vardon, 1905
H.S. Colt, 1912

Milwaukee
H. S. Colt, C. H. Alison, 1929

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Bill Brightly

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #504 on: October 30, 2009, 08:48:31 PM »
Palmer: Laurel Valley, Kings North (Mrytle Beach National), Isleworth

Sorry, I'll clean up my duplicates. I am sitting with my laptop, supposed to be watching a movie with my wife...
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Bill Brightly

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #505 on: October 30, 2009, 08:55:01 PM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on October 30, 2009, 08:30:35 PM
Bill,

Rob got Enniscrone. You need a different Hackett.


Ok, give me Connemara
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Bill Brightly

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #506 on: October 30, 2009, 09:18:13 PM »
Quote from: JC Jones on October 30, 2009, 08:34:28 PM
Quote from: Bill Brightly on October 30, 2009, 08:31:43 PM
Raynor: St. Louis CC, Minnesota Valley,Waialae

St Louis taken in 6th round.

OK, give me Raynor's Metairie in New Orleans!
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #507 on: October 31, 2009, 07:16:25 AM »
I know that we are all pretty spent after this exercise.  I think we agreed amid the building exhaustion to assemble our picks in this fashion after so here goes.  I don't imagine there is one of us that will sit back, look at his picks, and sigh in disappointment.  We were given terrific options all the way through and came up with tremendous 24-packs of golf courses.  Nicely done to all involved.  In a few minutes, I'll post my suggestion for our next fantasy draft, to be undertaken at a later date.

Stiff Shaft Long Hosel
Round 1
7th Pick...Perry Maxwell - Old Town Club, Southern Hills and Prairie Dunes
Round 2
24th Pick...Walter Travis - Yahnundasis, Ekwanok, Lookout Point
Round 3
37th Pick...Donald J. Ross - Charles River, Aronimink, CC Rochester
Round 4
54th Pick...Herbert Leeds - Bass Rocks, Kebo Valley, Myopia Hunt
Round 5
67th Pick...Wayne Stiles/John Van Kleek - Putterham Meadows, Taconic, Woods Hole
Round 6
84th Pick....Tom Fazio - Wade Hampton, Martis Camp, Pine Hill
Round 7
97th Pick...Mic Hurdzan/Dana Fry - Devil's Pulpit, Devil's Paintbrush, Erin Hills
Round 8
114th Pick...Robert The Trent The Jones The First - Anglebrook, Crag Burn, Montauk Downs
« Last Edit: October 31, 2009, 09:06:03 AM by Ronald Montesano »
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Jud_T

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #508 on: October 31, 2009, 08:43:54 AM »
ok-give me Burnham & Barrow instead of Ganton, thus:

1.   MacKenzie - Crystal Downs, Cypress Point, Palmetto
30.  Old Tom - prestwick, lahinch, machrihanish
31.  Coore/Crenshaw - austin golf club, old sandwich, lost farm
60.  Langford- Lawsonia, Skokie, Harrison Hills
61.  Doak - Stonewall (old), Rennaisance Club, Stone Eagle
90.  Hawtree- Western Gailes, Hillside, Island
91.  Alex Russell - Paraparaumu Beach, Royal Melbourne (East), Yarra Yarra
110. Colt - Royal Worlington, Formby, Burnham & Barrow

Nobody took Tom Bendelow and the oft-debated Medinah #3!  So much for everyone who gave me grief for saying it was overrated and ruined by the open doctors...
« Last Edit: October 31, 2009, 08:48:19 AM by Jud Tigerman »
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Patrick Hodgdon

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #509 on: October 31, 2009, 09:18:57 AM »
Clearly I won this thing.  ;D

"The Sandmen":

Round 1 #11: Bill Coore & Ben Crenshaw - Sand Hills, Bandon Trails, (Friars Head*), Pasatiempo
Round 2 #20: Hugh Wilson - Merion East & West, Cobb's Creek
Round 3 #41: Tom Doak - Cape Kidnappers, Bay of Dreams, and Lost Dunes
Round 4 #50: Dr. Alister Mackenzie: Valley Club of Montecito, Jockey Club (Cancha Colorada), Titirangi
Round 5 #71: David McLay Kidd: Bandon Dunes, The Castle Course at St. Andrews** , Machrihanish Dunes.
Round 6 #80: CB MacDonald: Piping Rock, St. Louis CC, The Creek Club
Round 7 #101: Flynn: Kittansett, Lehigh, Indian Creek
Round 8 #110: Ross: Interlachen, Biltmore Forest, Biltmore (Coral Gables, FL)
Hurdzan/Fry: Calusa Pines***

*Trade: Friars Head to Ben Sims for Pasatiempo
**Sent to Waivers
***Picked up off of Waivers

On the Block: Bandon Trails, Lost Dunes

Courses I'm interested in trading for: Mountain Lake, Mid-Ocean. I could also use something across the pond too. Make me an offer gents.
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Eric Smith

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #510 on: October 31, 2009, 10:31:17 AM »
   My shingle reads:

Tom(s), Doc, Harry, Herbert and James, PLLC
Golf Course Architects

    8. Old Tom Morris - Royal County Down, Muirfield, Royal Dornoch
  23. Tom Simpson - Ballybunion (Old), Cruden Bay, Morfontaine
  38. Dr. Alister MacKenzie - Kingston Heath, New South Wales, Royal Adelaide
  53. H.S. Colt - Woodhall Spa, Kennemer, De Pan
  68. H.S. Colt - Royal Porthcawl, Milwaukee, Hamilton
  83. Herbert Fowler - Walton Heath (Old), Saunton (East), Beau Desert
  98. Tom Doak - Sheep Ranch, St. Andrews Beach-Gunnamatta, Heathland
113. James Braid - St. Enodoc, Panmure, Murcar

Would you hire our firm to build your links? :)
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Jud_T

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #511 on: October 31, 2009, 10:33:39 AM »
eric-heathland was a miss with several other better Doak's on the board....
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Tom_Doak

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #512 on: October 31, 2009, 10:41:36 AM »
The order in which my courses were picked was a head-scratcher for me, but, whatever.  My best course not taken is Tumble Creek, despite Jon Cummings' lukewarm review of it, although I would have taken High Pointe earlier if it was open.

Eric S.:  I guess rules are rules, even when they are clearly wrong.  And I guess I need to write a letter to Joe Passov regarding attributions, too.  Harry Colt's last visit to the USA was fifteen years before Alison built Milwaukee CC.  And I can't believe that Woodhall Spa doesn't have S.V. Hotchkin's name in a prominent position.
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Eric Smith

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #513 on: October 31, 2009, 11:03:46 AM »
Tom:

Especially since it is named the 'Hotchkin Course'!

Jud:

Heathland is a personal favorite, I've said it many times on here before. Wish I could play it every Saturday (without the crowds mind you).
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Jud_T

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #514 on: October 31, 2009, 11:06:52 AM »
eric-

i like heathlands myself, as I do all the Doak designs I've played, but you had Stonewall (new) and High Pointe, among others still available...
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Eric Smith

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #515 on: October 31, 2009, 11:18:29 AM »
Jud, here's some trivia. What do Heath Shuler and Palmetto GC have in common?
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Jud_T

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #516 on: October 31, 2009, 11:22:03 AM »
a land scandal with a similar name?
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #517 on: October 31, 2009, 11:22:19 AM »
Heath first got laid at Palmetto?
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Eric Smith

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #518 on: October 31, 2009, 11:25:40 AM »
Hilarious!!!


No.  They were both selected as the third pick in the draft.

I'm happy to have old Heathland, a course that I love, a scrappy veteran, on my team. 

Playing Pametto in a week and cannot be more excited. Pasatiempo is the only other MacKenzie course I've played.

Happy Halloween!
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Ben Sims

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #519 on: October 31, 2009, 11:26:00 AM »
Quote from: Jud Tigerman on October 31, 2009, 11:06:52 AM
eric-

i like heathlands myself, as I do all the Doak designs I've played, but you had Stonewall (new) and High Pointe, among others still available...

I've read some dudes I respect a ton writing that Apache is in Tom's top 5.  Not his own top five, but to them, it was one of his best.  

Here's "Team I hate jean shorts, killing gators since 1982"

1} Raynor - Camargo, Shoreacres, Yeaman's Hall
2} MacKenzie -  Augusta, Royal Melbourne, Friar's Head*
3} RT Jones:  Valderamma, Peachtree GC, Spyglass Hill
4} Jack Neville - Pebble Beach, Pacific Grove
5} Old Tom -  Royal North Devon (Westward Ho!), Lundin Links, Crail Golfing Society (Balcomie Links)
6} David Strath - North Berwick
7} Raynor - Country Club of Charleston, Lookout Mountain, Blue Mound
8} Kidd - Nanea, Queenswood, Tetherow

*Coore and Crenshaw (Friars Head) acquired via trade

Pick I'm proudest of:  Tie between Westward Ho! and North Berwick
Pick I don't like that much now:  Tie between RTJ and Kidd.  The 8th rounder was mostly to balance how old my team is.

I feel like I dominated my home area of the Southeast with Augusta, Peachtree, Yeaman's, CC Chucktown, and Lookout Mountain.  I also feel like a weekend playing m courses in Monterrey would be fun.  Raynor fills out my midwest wih Shore, Camargo and Blue Mound.  And a two week trip to Queenswood, Westward Ho!, Lundin, Berwick, and Crail wouldn't be to bad.  I've got some onesy-twosy's out there.  Nanea, Tetherow, Friars Head, Melbourne (West).  But I think their quality and variety is strong.  

What'ya think?
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Ben Sims

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #520 on: October 31, 2009, 11:30:40 AM »
Lets start talking about which courses that didn't get picked!
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #521 on: October 31, 2009, 11:45:14 AM »
Golfweek's USA Classic List that were not given a rose:

#43-Salem
#55-Medinah numero tres
#64-Pine Needles
#66-Franklin Hills
#67-Brookside
#75-Indianwood
#84-Northland
#87-Eastward Ho!
#89-Hollywood
#91-Sankaty Head
#93-Brook Hollow
#94-Dunes
#95-Augusta CC
#97-Champions-Cypress
#100-Sunnehanna
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Mac Plumart

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #522 on: October 31, 2009, 12:14:56 PM »
I found this exercise interesting.  Even though I goofed around a little here and there (my Muirhead and Nepal courses specifically), it was a really good educational experience.  For two main reasons…

#1—Learning about more golf courses.  Frankly, I don’t know but maybe ˝ of these courses…maybe that number is wrong…but still I had to do a lot of looking up to see what these courses where and what they were all about.

#2—Seeing how people value certain courses.  Tobacco Road a first round pick.  I know Strantz’s work is polarizing and I think this was validated in the “draft”.  Loch Lomond was still available in the last round.  Anyway, I could go on and on…but it was interesting to say the least.

On the lines of courses not picked…

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the following are still available:

The Addington
Durban Country Club
High Pointe
Commonwealth
Desert Highlands
The Machrie
Musselburgh
Downers Grove
Oakhurst
Foxburg
Old Head
Tralee
Kauri Cliffs
Askernish
Portmarnock
Arcadia
Forest Dunes
Bay Harbour
Kingsley Club

Ok…I’ll stop now.

I had a blast on this thread.

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Jay Flemma

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #523 on: October 31, 2009, 01:37:56 PM »
I'm also going to waive a player abd pick one off the waiver wire.

I'll cut loose the balsams (panorama), and pick up Axland & Proctor's Wild Horse

Rd 1 - (3) -   Mike Strantz:  Bulls Bay, Monterey Peninsula C.C. (Shore), Tobacco Road
Rd 2 - (28) - Donald Ross:  Oakland Hills (South), White Bear Yacht Club, [The Balsams (Panorama) waived post-draft]
Rd 3 - (33) - A.W. Tillinghast:  Sleepy Hollow, [Philly Cricket, Quaker Ridge to Miller]
                  Fownes:  Oakmont (57 from Jones for Mid-Ocean and Yale from Miller)
Rd 4 - (58) - William Flynn:  Atlantic City C.C., Cherry Hills, Rolling Green
Rd 5 - (63) - Perry Maxwell:  Univ. of Michigan, Oklahoma City G&CC, Colonial
Rd 6 - (88) - Charles Banks:  The Knoll Club (West), Essex County C.C., Tamarack
Rd 7 - (93) - Pete Dye:  Whistling Straits (Straits Course), Bulle Rock, Antigua Golf Resort
Rd 8 - (118) - Brian Silva - Black Rock, Black Creek, Red Tail
Waivers -    Axland and Proctor - Wild Horse

ALSO...I had a change of heart and wanna suggest we let JC Jones have Old White Greenbriar for free - no need to waive anything, as long as he losts it a Macd.  Want it JC?
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JC Jones

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Re: GCA Mock Fantasy Draft
« Reply #524 on: October 31, 2009, 01:50:15 PM »
JC COLTON!!!! ;D  Are you insulting me? ;D ;D ;D ;D

I'll stick with my DrMac's.
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.
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