GCA Mock Fantasy Draft - NEED JUDGES

[Jay Flemma]

I say Jay only gets two courses in each round until he gives Sleepy Hoolow back to Macdonald and GET IT OFF YOUR TILLY LIST!

Tilly did not have enough of his own designs???

Tilly did five holes at sleepy hollow

[Kalen Braley]

Ok I'm here.

My pick is Jim Engh:  Black Rock, Sanctuary, Lakota Canyon

[Tim Bert]

You were supposed to PM him since you made the last pick.  Did you?  Okay 10:00 AM Eastern time.

I didn't see that suggestion.  My bad.  Looks like he showed up in fine Engh butt-boy fashion.

[Ronald Montesano]

Did Kalen PM Patrick Hodgdon?  He's next!!

[Jay Flemma]

why dont we have more trade action?

maybe we should limit an archie to twice in one round?  more diversity of picks?

I wanna see who's gonna pick Burch Webb.  Wouldn't you love a portfolio of Lost Goose, Mescalina, and Hollywood Dunes? 

[Kalen Braley]

Did Kalen PM Patrick Hodgdon?  He's next!!

Pm'd....

And Tim, yes I take all my cues from you!! 

[Bill Brightly]

I say Jay only gets two courses in each round until he gives Sleepy Hoolow back to Macdonald and GET IT OFF YOUR TILLY LIST!

Tilly did not have enough of his own designs???

Tilly did five holes at sleepy hollow

I know he did, but they were just re-worked to more of a Macdonald style. I think you have much better representations of Tilly's work than Sleppy Hollow still on the board...

[Jay Flemma]

Nope.  If you want Sleepy Hollow, trade me for it.

http://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/usa/sleepy-hollow-country-club-ny-usa

From Ran's article:

"by the late 1920s, A.W. Tillinghast was brought in to increase the number of holes to twenty-seven. In so doing, Tillinghast created the first, eighth through twelfth and eighteenth holes and then knitted them into Macdonald’s course.

Both Macdonald and Tillinghast were giants during the Golden Age of golf course architecture. Macdonald had just completed his masterpiece on Long Island when he was brought in for Sleepy Hollow. Meanwhile, much of Tillinghast’s reputation for building superb parkland courses is based on his work within Westchester County. Unfortunately for future Club boards, Sleepy Hollow had a mixture of holes from two men, making it both a Macdonald and a Tillinghast course. Thus, the conundrum the board faced was how to act as a custodian when it wasn’t certain what it was trying to preserve."

Bill, where were you when Jaeger listed Shinny as Macdonald?  That's waaaay more Flynn.

[Patrick Hodgdon]

I need someplace(s) to travel to...

So I'm going with Doak: Cape Kidnappers, Bay of Dreams, and Lost Dunes.

And I immediately start singing my favorite GCA song...

[Kalen Braley]

Bill, where were you when Jaeger listed Shinny as Macdonald?  That's waaaay more Flynn.

THats what i'm talking about...I got robbed in round 1 because I picked Flynn with Shinny.

Jim consider this my official protest, and I'm submitting it to you as league commissioner...no way I shouldn't get Shinny with my 1st round pics!!     Calling shinny a CBM effort is both a sham and a shame to this entire process!!

[Tim Bert]

Although I must admit I'm mildly intrigued to find out what Tims asking price is for Ballyneal.

Just saw this note.  I will give you Ballyneal for Pine Valley and Rock Creek.  I might consider Pine Valley 1 for 1 but I consider it an unknown commodity since I haven't played it.   

[Jim Colton]

Time to brush up on my public showering etiquette...

Round 1:
1. Jud Tigerman: MacKenzie - Crystal Downs, Cypress Point, Palmetto
2. Jaeger Kovich: CBM - The National, Shinnecock, Chicago Golf
3. Jay Flemma: Strantz - MPCC Shore, Bulls Bay, Tobacco Road
4. JC Jones: Ross - Pinehurst #2, Seminole, Wannamoisett
5. Mac Plumart: Dye - Kiawah Ocean, Pete Dye Golf Club of WV, and The Golf Club
6. Alex Miller: Tillinghast - San Francisco Golf Club, Bethpage Black, Winged Foot (West)
7. Ron Montesano: Perry Maxwell - Old Town Club, Southern Hills and Prairie Dunes
8. Eric Smith: Old Tom - Royal County Down, Muirfield, Royal Dornoch
9. Tim Bert: Doak - Pacific Dunes, Ballyneal, Old Mac
10. Kalen Braley: William Flynn - Philly Country Club, The Country Club (Shinny already picked so no soup for you!)
11. Patrick Hodgdon - Coore & Crenshaw - Sand Hills, Friars Head, Bandon Trails
12. Jim Colton: HS Colt - Pine Valley, Royal Portrush, Sunningdale (Old)
13. Dell Sims: Raynor - Camargo, Shoreacres, Yeaman's Hall
14. JNC_Lyon: Ross - Oak Hill East/West, Teugega
15. Rob Rigg: Thompson - Highlands Links, St George's, Banff Springs

Round 2:
16. Rob Rigg: Thomas - Riviera, LACC - North, Bel Air
17. JNC Lyon: Emmet - Leatherstocking, Garden City, Seawane
18. Dell Sims: MacKenzie -  Augusta, Royal Melbourne, Pasatiempo
19. Jim Colton Doak - Barnbougle, Rock Creek, Sebonack
20. Patrick Hodgdon: Hugh Wilson - Merion East & West, Cobb's Creek
21. Kalen Braley: Mike Young - Longshadow, Wolf Creek (GA), Southern Hills (GA)
22. Tim Bert: Mike DeVries - Kingsley, Greywalls, Mines
23. Eric Smith: Tom Simpson - Ballybunion (Old), Cruden Bay, Morfontaine
24. Ron M: Walter Travis - Yahnundasis, Ekwanok, Lookout Point
25. Alex Miller: Raynor - Yale, Mid-Ocean, Fishers Island
26. Mac Plumart: Fazio - Shadow Creek, Gozzer Ranch, The Green Monkey
27. JC Jones: God--The Old Course
28. Jay Flemma:  ross - oakland hills, white bear, the balsams (panorama)
29. Jaeger Kovich: Colt - Swinley Forrest, and St George's Hill (Muirfield already picked)
30. Jud Tigerman: Old Tom - prestwick, lahinch, machrihanish

Round 3
31. Jud Tigerman: Coore/Crenshaw - austin golf club, old sandwich, lost farm
32. Jaeger Kovich: - James Braid - Carnoustie, Gleneagles, and Royal Aberdeen
33. Jay Flemma:  Tilly...Philly Cricket (Wissahickon), Sleepy Hollow, Quaker Ridge
34. JC Jones: Colt - Colt - Rye, Toronto, St Andrews Eden
35. Mac Plumart: Willie Fernie - Troon, Turnberry (Ailisa), Shiskine.
36. Alex Miller: Jack - Cabo del Sol, Muifield Village, and Harbourtown
37. Ron Montesano: Ross - Charles River, Aronomink, CC Rochester
38. Eric Smith: MacKenzie - Kingston Heath, New South Wales, Royal Adelaide
39. Tim Bert: Ross - Holston Hills, Beverly, Newport
40. Kalen Braley: Engh - Black Rock, Sanctuary, Lakota Canyon
41. Patrick Hodgdon: Doak - Cape Kidnappers, Bay of Dreams, and Lost Dunes
42. Jim Colton: CH Alison - Hirono, Kawana, Naruo
43. Dell Sims: RT Jones:  Valderamma, Peachtree GC, Spyglass Hill
44. JNC_Lyon: ON THE CLOCK
45. Rob Rigg:

[Rob Rigg]

Eric Smith - Well done - you took my next pick - those are three great MacKenzie courses!
Jim - Nice work there as well - surprised that Alison's great work in Japan lasted this long.

I have a meeting in a few so I'll throw out my three just in case Mr Lyon takes one -

1. Hanse -Castle Stuart, Rustic Canyon, Boston Golf Club
2. Hackett - Carne, Eniscrone, Waterville (I need some links courses)
3. AV Macan - Cal Club, Royal Colwood, Shaughnessy GC

[Bill Brightly]

No draft is complete without boo birds...so like Jets fans at an NFL draft, here are the picks I dont like:

#1  Boo.  Kovich taking Shinny as a Macdonald course. Sure, he worked there, but come on, you can't choose between Piping Rock, St.Louis and Mid Ocean to have a true Macdonald course with the number two overall pick?   Todd Marinivich-like pick. BOOOOO!


#2 Boo. Dell Sims taking Raynor but not including Fishers Island in his top 3 courses. I am not saying Hakeem and Bowie weren't good players...But Raynor's Jordan was still on the board! BOOOOOOOO!

#3 Boo. JNC taking both Oak Hill courses with his first two Ross picks. Homer pick! Just kidding small boo (nice 2nd rd picks)

#4 Boo. Jay Flemma taking Sleepy Hollow as a Tillinghast course when there were so many great PURE Tilly courses on the board. haven't seen a pick like that since the Giants took Rocky Thompson and passed on Jack Tatum! BOOOOO!

[Ronald Montesano]

Bowie sucked...up, down and sideways.

[Jim Colton]

Although I must admit I'm mildly intrigued to find out what Tims asking price is for Ballyneal.

Just saw this note.  I will give you Ballyneal for Pine Valley and Rock Creek.  I might consider Pine Valley 1 for 1 but I consider it an unknown commodity since I haven't played it.   

Tim,

  That price is only slightly less than what I actually pay to play it in real life.  I guess I've shown my cards so it's difficult to expect you not to try to rake me over the coals.

[Kalen Braley]

Jim,

Are we going to get an official ruling on Shinnecock now that several of us have protested that it really isn't a CBM course?

I mean if we're going to allow somethting like that, these selections will turn into utter chaos!!   

I guess my next pick will be Arnold Palmer and I'll be taking Pebble Beach because he re-did a few bunkers.. 

[Bill Brightly]

Bowie sucked...up, down and sideways.

Of course he did! But I can't call any of Raynor's courses a Sam Bowie...

[Jay Flemma]

No draft is complete without boo birds...so like Jets fans at an NFL draft, here are the picks I dont like:

#1  Boo.  Kovich taking Shinny as a Macdonald course. Sure, he worked there, but come on, you can't choose between Piping Rock, St.Louis and Mid Ocean to have a true Macdonald course with the number two overall pick?   BOOOOO!


#2 Boo. Dell Sims taking Raynor but not including Fishers Island in his top 3 courses. I am not saying Hakeem and Bowie weren't good players...But Raynor's Jordan was still on the board! BOOOOOOOO!

#3 Boo. JNC taking both Oak Hill courses with his first two Ross picks. Homer pick! Just kidding small boo (nice 2nd rd picks)

#4 Boo. Jay Flemma taking Sleepy Hollow as a Tillinghast course when there were so many great PURE Tilly courses on the board. haven't seen a pick like that since the Giants took Rocky Thompson and passed on Jack Tatum! BOOOOO!

Jack tatum story:

Right before the immaculate reception in the huddle -

Remember everybody...BAT IT DOWN...Don't try to be a hero, just bat it down and lets get out of here...

Then there goes Jack layin' the lumber and Franco running down the sideline with the game!

[Jim Colton]

Jim,

Are we going to get an official ruling on Shinnecock now that several of us have protested that it really isn't a CBM course?

I mean if we're going to allow somethting like that, these selections will turn into utter chaos!!  

I guess my next pick will be Arnold Palmer and I'll be taking Pebble Beach because he re-did a few bunkers..  

I thought I was pretty clear with the ground rules.  I said if a guy is listed on one of those sites then he is good to go.  I'm not saying that said sites are definitive, I just put them together so we'd have a common set of rules.  I said multiple times that I didn't want it to escalate into who did what.  Start another thread or take it up with the guys at top100courses.  

If a guy is eligible based on the criteria, you can pick him.  The original Shinny pick stands.  Yours does not.  Sorry.

[Patrick Hodgdon]

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=111888163639549696145.0004770112d8b02f7a86e&ll=42.354485,-87.138062&spn=1.071678,2.469177&z=9

[Jaeger Kovich]

Bill - CBM may not have done a lot of work on Shinny as it relates to the place today, but he DID do work there, and that is why its a great "FANTASY" pick!... I had a good strategy and apparently it is working!

[Bill Brightly]

Bill - CBM may not have done a lot of work on Shinny as it relates to the place today, but he DID do work there, and that is why its a great "FANTASY" pick!... I had a good strategy and apparently it is working!

Hey, I am just a boo bird doin' my job! And the Chargers had a strategy when they took Ryan Leaf

[Alex Miller]

Hey Boo Bird,

While your spamming our thread care to give us some thoughts on nice picks! 

[Jay Flemma]

Alex, I know you want a Tillie monopoly.  I'll trade you my three Tillie's for your three Raynors.