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David Stamm

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A water crisis
« on: September 12, 2009, 10:56:50 PM »
In California, we are experiencing the lowest levels of water in our reservoirs in recorded history. In our agricultural areas, farmers that are still in operation are producing half of what they normally can because they don't have enough water. All of them are being rationed by the government to what amounts to 10% of their total water supply and this comes from the California aquaduct, with the remaning amount having to made up for by well water, a source in California that contains high amounts of Salt and Boron. These wells are being relied upon as virtually their only source, a source that usually is only relied upon to supplement what they have and that can't produce the kind of quality crops that we as consumers are used to, and they are running out. In Fresno, for example, 3 out 5 people work in some connection to agriculture and the area is experiencing 40% unemployment. This is an area that produces 50% of our nation's nuts, fruits and vegetables. 25% of the farm land here is lying idle due to the water shortage. Farmers have stated that if we don't have a turn around this year in our water supply we are facing a catastrophe here.


Most Californians are unaware of these numbers, much less the rest of the country. It puts golf course conditions into perspective and how unimportant they really are. With "Go Green" being the buzz term lately in regards to our environment, the golf course community here in the golden state needs to "Go Brown" until this thing gets turned around. Wall to wall sod, high water usage grasses, etc. simply cannot work here in our state and courses, public and private, need to be aware that just because you can pay the penalty fee's every month for exceeding your allotment, doesn't mean that you should. This is the time to show members and customers that their golf courses can be just as playable, enjoyable and hell maybe even more fun, by being more responsible. It's crunch time, and time is running out.
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"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Mark Dorman

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2009, 12:45:32 AM »
Agreed.

Golf is just not that important in the grand scheme of things.  This coming from a future superintendent.

Are there any numbers as to what % of courses in California use recycled or effluent water?

RJ_Daley

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2009, 01:35:35 AM »
Just another looming crisis that points to just how fast golf may wane in the next 50 or so....  Even if more effluent solutions are found and more turf cultivars and species are genetically altered to use grey water, the costs of all these closing-in crisis' along with the future economic realities, could give us reason to say we or our kids will be the last generations to play the game on a popular and available recreational basis. 
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

Michael Dugger

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2009, 01:42:06 AM »
Well guy, thanks for giving me a good scare this evening.

That's some sobering news, David.

Gonna be an interesting winter.

What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Tom_Doak

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2009, 10:39:24 AM »
David:

Believe me, the authorities have an eye on the golf situation.  Pasatiempo is on city water and they have been drastically cut back this year ... the city threatened to cut them off completely at first.  They are looking to get on reclaimed water but right now there is no supply to them.

That this is suddenly being recognized as a crisis now is hilarious.  When I got to St. Andrews in 1982, the first day I spent with Walter Woods, he told me that he'd gone to the GCSAA show in Anaheim that year, and when he went to shave between golf and dinner, he couldn't find a stopper for the sink he was shaving at.  They just didn't have them, even though they were in a big drought emergency at that time, too.  He only told me that story to illustrate how wasteful Americans are, and it's only taken 27 more years for someone here to notice.

David Stamm

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2009, 11:05:28 AM »
David:

Believe me, the authorities have an eye on the golf situation.  Pasatiempo is on city water and they have been drastically cut back this year ... the city threatened to cut them off completely at first.  They are looking to get on reclaimed water but right now there is no supply to them.

That this is suddenly being recognized as a crisis now is hilarious.  When I got to St. Andrews in 1982, the first day I spent with Walter Woods, he told me that he'd gone to the GCSAA show in Anaheim that year, and when he went to shave between golf and dinner, he couldn't find a stopper for the sink he was shaving at.  They just didn't have them, even though they were in a big drought emergency at that time, too.  He only told me that story to illustrate how wasteful Americans are, and it's only taken 27 more years for someone here to notice.


Tom, I've lived in California for 26 years. And yes, we have always danced on the edge of an outright crisis because of a few El Ninos that have replinished our reserves and bought us a little more time. But we have not had significant rains here for quite some time and generally speaking Caliornians have known about what could lie in store for us. The problem the state faces is a need for money to implement better usage of the California delta to the north. 2/3's of the states population is in So Cal, yet 2/3's of the states water comes from No Cal. Experts have been telling the state government for over 10 years that they need to invest in our reservoir systems so when rainfall is lean, there is more to draw from. Because of our state goverments insatiable spending habits and one of the biggest economic downturns in recent history, this has been put on the back burner. Well, they can't ignore it forever. Unfortunately, the mentality of many is that as long as water comes out of the tap, there is no problem. They need to have these numbers I posted put in their face until they understand how serious this is now. Crisis's have varying degrees of severity. We are at the moment in the worse situation we have ever had, so forgive me for the use of the word, but it's more justified now than it's ever been in our state's history.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Rich Goodale

Re: A water crisis
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2009, 11:13:02 AM »
Tom

I'm sure I'm not the only one on this board who knew about the water situation in the Southwestern US many years prior to 1982.  Just because some do not see the need to display their knowledge on certain issues does not mean that this group does not have an understanding of and interest in them.

Rich

cary lichtenstein

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2009, 02:16:52 PM »
How about the poor California farmers not getting any water due to Nancy Pelosi and some frigging minow?
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Patrick_Mucci

Re: A water crisis
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2009, 02:30:48 PM »
Tom Doak,

For over 30 years I've advocated reducing water dependency.

I've stated that either droughts or increased water costs would be the catalysts for the reduction in utilization since clubs, left to their own devices, have been incapable of recognizing the issue.

Newport and Maidstone survive as viable golf courses with limited water.
While they benefit from a unique location and climes, the real enemy has be televised PGA Tour events where lush green conditions flood the viewers eye.

Clubs that don't cut back on water use NOW will be ill prepared for that eventuality, when the regulatory bodies cut back on water for them, and, that cut back will be drastic, not benign.

The time to cut back on water use is NOW.

Clubs that don't cut back will suffer the eventual consequences.

astavrides

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2009, 02:33:58 PM »
How about the poor California farmers not getting any water due to Nancy Pelosi and some frigging minow?

Can you provide a link, please?

Jamie Barber

Re: A water crisis
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2009, 03:35:54 PM »
I think wastefulness (and not just of water) is one of the most shameful aspects of modern society, generally.

Patrick Kiser

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2009, 05:52:04 PM »
David,

I think this is pretty much business as usual.  Meaning, even if everyone knows about it ... no one's gonna do anything about it until it becomes a crisis.  It's very much a ''if it ain't broke don't fix it'' kind of mentality.  It extends even to a ''not in my backyard'' syndrome.

It goes for a bunch of other things in this world (e.g. oil, etc.)

I'm not so convinced it's specific to this country actually.  I'm more inclined to think it's human nature.  Specifically, human nature in the sense of taking things for granted when they're bound and plentiful.

On thing's for sure ... CA is very much the bread basket of this country and so it goes without saying this concerns all across the US.  But don't worry, CA will most definitely get the blame.  Guaranteed.  Don't you know CA controls the weather?

  
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“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Dan Herrmann

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2009, 06:05:05 PM »
Way back when I lived in Oregon, I remember our friends in SoCal wanting to build an aqueduct from the Columbia River to LA.  I think OR and WA would go to political war before that happened.

IN 2050, water rights will be as  valuable as oil rights are today.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2009, 06:14:46 PM »
How about the poor California farmers not getting any water due to Nancy Pelosi and some frigging minow?

Simply searching the web shows that the only people who accept your premise as true are those to the right of the political spectrum.
Simply searching the web shows that there are numerous reasons why the situation is what it is in California and that good folks are trying to resolve the issue to the benefit of all California's people.
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"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Craig Sweet

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2009, 06:16:49 PM »
People just don't think things can happen...I mean, the Ice Age is ancient history that will never happen again...and desertification will never happen here...

Sustainability is a word that has been demonized by  greed heads who could give a rats ass about "limits"......so someone makes a choice...the minnow goes...then the golf course goes...then the farmer goes...when the climate changes, it changes....

Cary, whether its a minnow, the farmer down the road, a golf course, or you or me....when the water is gone its over..
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Norbert P

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2009, 06:25:00 PM »
  (A sign above an Oregon public restroom toilet)

" Flush twice . . . California needs the drinking water."
"Golf is only meant to be a small part of one’s life, centering around health, relaxation and having fun with friends/family." R"C"M

Patrick_Mucci

Re: A water crisis
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2009, 08:36:31 PM »

People just don't think things can happen...I mean, the Ice Age is ancient history that will never happen again...and desertification will never happen here...

Craig, do you think it was the cars on the Long Island Expressway that melted the glacier that covered Long Island ? ;D


Sustainability is a word that has been demonized by  greed heads who could give a rats ass about "limits"......so someone makes a choice...the minnow goes...then the golf course goes...then the farmer goes...when the climate changes, it changes....

Cary, whether its a minnow, the farmer down the road, a golf course, or you or me....when the water is gone its over..

Craig, on a serious note, man needs water for a great variety of uses, including high school playing fields.
I think it will always be available, but, I also think the cost of water will rise.
It's only through increasing the cost that you effectively reduce or eliminate waste.
If you know something is free or inexpensive you use it at your leisure, but, when its use is costly, you use it sparingly, efficiently.

I think this will happen to water as well and I think farmers will get water on a reduced cost basis, just like they get reduced taxes for their land use.


Larry_Rodgers

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2009, 08:45:28 PM »
Just finished an irrigation renovation for a club south of Denver. The Manager is recording 40% less demand for the bentgrass fairways as compared to the blue/rye rough mix. Drives have an additional 10% roll. This is in answer to a severe water crisis that has the water supplier thinking of additional users to ofset the water savings with the new irrigation system.


Craig Sweet

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2009, 09:05:16 PM »
Patrick..sure...water will always be available...somewhere...but probably not were it is now...or where we want it to be tomorrow...and there lies the dilemma....when the Colorado flows to a trickle, who gets the remaining water? When large parts of of current "agricultural belt" dries up and blows away....how will we respond?  Lets remember, the TVA, Bonneville Power, the damning of the Colorado for agricultural purposes...are all less than 100 years old and they are already showing signs of failing and have created several environmental disasters ...
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Derek Dirksen

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2009, 09:11:20 PM »
Just another reason not to live on the LEFT coast.

DMoriarty

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2009, 09:42:30 PM »
Just another reason not to live on the LEFT coast.

If you think this problem only exists in California, you are mistaken.  California may be first as usual, but other areas of the country will follow.  And if you think that California's problems will not severely impact the rest of nation, you are mistaken on that front as well.

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A good primer on the origins of the water problems in the west is Cadillac Desert by Mark Reisner, written in the mid 1980's.  Not sure how long it has been since it has been updated. 
Golf history can be quite interesting if you just let your favorite legends go and allow the truth to take you where it will.
--Tom MacWood (1958-2012)

RJ_Daley

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2009, 10:11:45 PM »
Can one of our southeast contributors give the rest of us an update on the water crisis in Georgia, Alabama, and north Fl.?  Are course watering restrictions lifted, or still in place? 
No actual golf rounds were ruined or delayed, nor golf rules broken, in the taking of any photographs that may be displayed by the above forum user.

David_Tepper

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2009, 11:20:46 PM »
Cary L. -

To imply that farming and agribusiness is somehow suffering at the hands of "big government" or the like is woefully mistaken. There is probably no business activity in California that has benefited from government intervention and promotion than farming and agribusiness.

It was government that built the aqueducts, canals and pumping stations that enabled farming to be a year-round activity in California. It was the politically well-connected agribusiness interests that made water cheap to purchase for irrigation.  

As a result, farming and agribusiness are likely the least efficient users of water (and the biggest water wasters) of any business activity in the state.  

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/07/BA7H12PDTU.DTL

DT
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Brent Carlson

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2009, 12:15:18 AM »
It's sad to hear about this situation in Cali. 

In the long term this is the trump card for the Midwest; no water shortage there anytime soon.

Dan Herrmann

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Re: A water crisis
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2009, 07:41:17 AM »
RJ - The drought in GA is over:  http://www.gaepd.org/Documents/outdoorwater.html