Public Road that is in play on a golf course

[Kyle Harris]

Curious if anyone can add to this list and help with a little research I'm doing.  The stipulation is a public road that not only bisects a golf course, but bisects a golf hole.  Adjacent to a road doesn't count.  It must cross, and crossing multiple holes is a bonus.


Mid Ocean has 4 hole crossings. The course I'm researching -- Field Club of Omaha -- matches it, but I'd like more examples if there are any.


My list so far includes:


Cypress Point
NGLA
Shinnecock (not much longer as I heard they've agreed to pay to reroute the road?)
Pine Orchard Yacht Club
Mid Ocean
Paramount CC


Thanks!

Both Manor GC and Galen Hall CC, near Reading, PA have public roads crossing holes. Manor has the 11th and 15th (same road) and Galen Hall has the 2nd.


The 2nd at Galen Hall being Ryan Farrow's favorite golf hole in Berks County, PA.

All of these holes were done by Alex Findlay.

[Mark Pearce]

1st at Royal Dornoch

I, of all people, should be wary before questioning whether any feature on the 1st at RDGC is "in play", as you know, but is the road there in play in a meaningful way?

[Jon Wiggett]

Mark,


I would not consider the road at RDGC to be a factor in the playing of the hole being so close to the tee.


Up in the highlands two spring to mind. The road that crosses the 8th at Golspie and although the hole does not cross the road on the first it is very much in play also. The other is the road that crosses the 2nd hole at Abernethy.


Of course the most famous example has to be at TOC.


Jon

[Tom_Doak]

Blake:


Pebble Beach has roads to hit across on the tee shots at 15 and 16.


Scarboro in Toronto has you hit over a road off the last tee, I think.  Youve got to get it up over a fence on the near side of the road first.


If you count the driveway into the club, there are tons more:  the 9th at Sebonack, the 5th & 18th at Pine Valley, Brookline, etc.


I had forgotten the 9th at Royal Worlington & Newmarket - that’s a good one.


I have not seen anything like the hole in the original post, though, where you are required to lay up off the tee to avoid the road.

[Thomas Dai]

Some more -

3rd and 17th at Westward Ho/RND
1st and last at Cruit Island
1st at Stinchcombe Hill
16th and 18th at Dunfanaghy
1st and 3rd at County Sligo/Rosses Point
1st, 9th, 10th and 18th at Ludlow.
Atb

[Sean_A]

Many people have to lay up on Worlington's 9th.

I think the most dangerous roads I have seen are

7 Reigate Heath because cars just pop out from trees.


Berkhamsted's 9th is very dangerous because the road is sunken.  Not only that, the ladies have to drive over the road...crazy. Looking back to the tee...it is very easy to rattle a shot on the road.


The roads are private, but there are a few at St George's Hill which can cause issues.

Ciao

[Ian Andrew]

Quogue Field Club

1st and 9th holes
The issue of the road was how I started working with Quogue

[Steve_ Shaffer]

Philadelphia Cricket- St. Martin's Course , site  of US Open in 1910  when it was an 18 hole course, now a 9 hole course, has
2 holes...


Take a look at Joe Bausch's photo tour


http://myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/PCCSM/index.html

[Pete Lavallee]

Victoria GC in Riverside has you drive over a road on a par 4 hole.

[Jon Cavalier]

Mid Ocean actually has 5 crossings as I recall - the tee shot on the 4th is over a road, and then you play across a road four times in a row from 13 to 16 (the tee shots on 13, 14 and 16 and the approach on 15). It’s the only course I know of where that is the case.

[Kalen Braley]

Stanford golf course does this I believe.


And the entrance road at Lake Chabot has gotta count here, you play across it several times...driving into the course can be tricky at times..

[Tim Martin]

Misquamicut Club’s 11th hole plays across Route 1A. A really fun driving hole as the tee is elevated and offers views of Narragansett Bay. It also serves as a transition for holes 11 through 17 that play out along the water on much flatter ground.

[Wade Whitehead]

18 @ Tobacco Road
Wait, maybe that's the entrance road.

[Blake Conant]

Thanks for all the responses so far.  I'm up to 12 in the US and likely too many to count in the UK, but the UK also seems a bit more accepting of this design feature.  I think some of the entrance roads you guys mentioned could probably count, but I'll leave them out for this exercise. 


Cypress
NGLA
Shinny
Pine Orchard Yacht
Mid Ocean
Paramount
Stanford
Manor GC
Galen Hall GC
Pebble Beach
Quogue
Philly Cricket St. Martins

[Tim Martin]

You have to play over the entrance road at Yale on 10 tee shot.

1 tee shot at Shennecossett plays across Plant Street. Approach to # 2 plays over railroad tracks.

[Chris Roselle]

Not only does the player have to hit across a public road on Hole #4 at Elkview CC, a Donald Ross design in the Scranton, Pa. area, but you also have to hit over a lake as well (bonus points)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooQWyWUWx-M

[Dan_Callahan]

Second hole at North Andover CC is a par 3 that plays over a very busy road.

[Dave Herrick]

I'm a little surprised that by now nobody has mentioned Waumbek Golf Club, where on the 17th hole one must cross NH Rte 115A.

[corey miller]

There used to be/is a hole at the Equinox in Manchester.  Probably a par 5 with the road serving effectively as a Hells Half Acre bunker complex on the second shot.  Mounding "hiding" the road and a OB penalty for being in the road.  If memory serves I would need two best shots to clear the road in two.


I believe Paramount may still be in the process of addressing the "problem" though I admit to generally being less bothered by such things than most. 


Speaking out of turn here but I do wonder in Paramount case why a "stop light" solution can't be worked with the locals as the road is not "that busy". 


Rather than artificial rules to address the problem have any known clubs attempted to solve it by making it OB?  Or even worse a local rule making it OB and also not allowing a player to reload until the retrieve the initial ball?   

[Rich Goodale]

Weston CC (MA, Ross) has at least two holes in play, #8 (across ravine, then road, then massively uphill to elevated green) and then #16 (second shot over road, 50 yards short on a 400 yd hole).  #1 can also be hit with a high hook.


As for Dornoch #1: from the back tees I've seen many drives hitting the low wall 30 yards ahead and then bouncing back going OB backwards onto the road again or onto the putting green; a duck hook breaking the window on the Manager's office in the clubhouse; ending up across the road but up against the dry stone dyke in front of the dining room of the Royal golf hotel; and hit not only over the road but also over the Other Road, separating the course from the grounds of the Dornoch Hotel to the left, landing on the (NLE) pitch and putt there.  I am sure there have been others......

[Emile Bonfiglio]

Thanks for all the responses so far.  I'm up to 12 in the US and likely too many to count in the UK, but the UK also seems a bit more accepting of this design feature.  I think some of the entrance roads you guys mentioned could probably count, but I'll leave them out for this exercise. 


Cypress
NGLA
Shinny
Pine Orchard Yacht
Mid Ocean
Paramount
Stanford
Manor GC
Galen Hall GC
Pebble Beach
Quogue
Philly Cricket St. Martins

Pete said this but #3 at Bandon Trails is a must have on this list. You tee off right over the road that I may or may not have topped a shot onto and then saw it bounce in the bunker.

[Pete_Pittock]

Royal Ashdown Forest (West)

[Josh Bills]

Beaumaris Yacht Club, Canada, crosses a road 2 times and the entrance road 2 times.

[David Wuthrich]

Abenakee Club in Maine

[Jason Topp]

There used to be/is a hole at the Equinox in Manchester.  Probably a par 5 with the road serving effectively as a Hells Half Acre bunker complex on the second shot.  Mounding "hiding" the road and a OB penalty for being in the road.  If memory serves I would need two best shots to clear the road in two.

It was still there two years ago.  The road comes into play on the second shot of a par 5.  I do not recall seeing that elsewhere.