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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« on: August 12, 2009, 12:30:18 PM »
Borrowing the idea from my highly estemmed fellow member from Chicago....
Is there a betterv stretch of each par than the last three holes at Sand Hills?
To me the last three are the highlight of the course.
Number 18 resembles the last at Shinnecock....17 the best of any links par threes, similar to munber12 at Royal Birkdale..and the mionster of startegy that is number 16....what a glorious stretch...

David Stamm

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2009, 12:44:13 PM »
6-7-8 at Pebble.

16-17-18 at Riviera

3-4-5 at CPC

8-9-10 at Pasa

14-15-16 at Valley Club

14-15-16 at LACC North

3-4-5 at Rustic Canyon



.... I'll think of some others...

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Tim Bert

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2009, 12:57:18 PM »
It seems like these stretches are much more common than four 4s in a row.  I think this list will be quite exhaustive and while Sand Hills holds up well, there will be countless others equally deserving.   

How about a slight twist on this questions - Does any single course have more high quality three hole stretches of various pars than Kingsley (if Dave can keep going to the well on RCCC then I can do it with Kingsley  ;D ) -

1,2,3 or 5,6,7 or 7,8,9 or 14,15,16 or 15,16,17 or 16,17,18

Now that's a nice mix of pars throughout the round.

michael damico

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 01:03:23 PM »
a stout pairing i would have to consider would be 7-9 at Crystal Downs. 2-4 Bethpage comes to mind - alot of opportunities in a match. Honorable mention would goto original 16-18 (now 7-9 and nearly completely lost) Oak Hill West. have to think alittle more...
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Mark Woodger

Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2009, 01:03:45 PM »
14 (3), 15 (4), 16 (5) at Deal is a great stretch of holes. or 3,4,5 at Deal.
13,14,15 or 3,4,5 at Bethpage Black. 3,4,5 being my preference of the two.

i seem to recall St Georges having a good strech too. Maybe 3,4,5.


David Stamm

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2009, 01:05:42 PM »
Dave, what about 16, 17, 18 at Pebble?

 

A worthy contender. I debated between those 3 and the 3 I posted. 7 is more fun than 17, 18 is probably better than 6, and although I love 16 at Pebble (it's one of my favorites there), 8 is 8, not much more I can say. Either set are fantastic. A worthy thread comparing them perhaps?
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David Kelly

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2009, 01:30:40 PM »
I would say it would be hard to beat Royal Melbourne West, #4,5,6 (#14, 5, 6 on the composite).

#4 - Short very reachable par 5, two good shots and you can two-putt for birdie, but they have to be two VERY good shots.
#5 - it was hard for a par 3 hole to stand out when I played the Sandbelt courses because they were so uniformly good but this one did.
#6 - One of the greatest holes in the world
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Kalen Braley

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2009, 01:42:10 PM »
I've always thought 14, 15, and 16 at Pacific isn't a bad stretch...never mind scratch that.

16, 17, 18 are even better!!!!

Jordan Wall

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2009, 02:00:32 PM »
It's got to be 6-7-8 at Pebble, no?

Tom Huckaby

Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2009, 02:06:56 PM »
It's got to be 6-7-8 at Pebble, no?

I would put 16-18 at Sand Hills above that.  Which hopefully tells you just how great I think the final three holes at Sand Hills are.

But the holes at Pebble belong in this conversation for sure.

Hmmmm... CPC can offer 6-7-8 as well... interesting....


Jim Franklin

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2009, 02:09:25 PM »
16-18 at Sand Hills is tough to beat.
Mr Hurricane

Jordan Wall

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2009, 02:13:01 PM »
Tom,

Funny how great golf courses work.

I'd say 3-4-5 are better at Cypress.

Just shows how good the golf course is.

David,

Same thing about Pasatiempo and how great it is.  I would say 4-5-6 is better than 8-9-10.

Tim Bert

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2009, 02:15:31 PM »
I've always thought 14, 15, and 16 at Pacific isn't a bad stretch...never mind scratch that.

16, 17, 18 are even better!!!!

I take 3,4,5 and 13, 14, 15 over either of the two you mentioned.

As I stated earlier, I think this particular question could lead to infinite iterations on numerous golf courses.

Tim Pitner

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2009, 02:17:39 PM »
I've always thought 14, 15, and 16 at Pacific isn't a bad stretch...never mind scratch that.

16, 17, 18 are even better!!!!

Kalen,

I personally prefer 3, 4 and 5.  I view Pacific Dunes as the best course I've played so I always think of it when these kinds of questions are asked.  I guess I need to get out more. 

Kalen Braley

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2009, 02:19:03 PM »
I've always thought 14, 15, and 16 at Pacific isn't a bad stretch...never mind scratch that.

16, 17, 18 are even better!!!!

I take 3,4,5 and 13, 14, 15 over either of the two you mentioned.

As I stated earlier, I think this particular question could lead to infinite iterations on numerous golf courses.

Tim,

I guess PD isn't a dog-track if it can garner 4 nominations from the same course!!   ;D

Even 11, 12, 13, wouldn't be a bad pick either so thats 5!!

Tom Huckaby

Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2009, 02:25:21 PM »
Jordan... man you may be right.. 3-4-5 likely is better.. but shoot that is close.. and yes this is a testament to greatness.

And it does indeed work for Pasatiempo also. 

Pacific Dunes.. whoo boy.. darn right many contenders....

But as I think about this, none has yet to surpass 16-18 at Sand Hills.


Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2009, 02:26:03 PM »
Tom and Jim...thanks for jumping on board...explain why you agree that this stretch is so good...

Tom Huckaby

Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2009, 02:28:46 PM »
Michael:

I can do no better than your explanation. I agree with every word you wrote.   I really have nothing further to add.. you phrased it so eloquently, with brevity.

TH 




Gene Greco

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2009, 02:36:30 PM »
It's too bad #5 at NGLA isn't in that all world category, otherwise the hands down winner would be 3-4-5 at NGLA.

Dave the Scorecard Eater:


    #5 at NGLA is now a par 4.

No redesign, just changed the scorecard. Course is now a par 72.


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Mike Hendren

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2009, 02:56:38 PM »
Perhaps I missed a mention of  11-13 at Augusta National Golf club (of 12-14 for that matter).  It absolutely stomps everything else in my book. 

Bogey
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Tom Huckaby

Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2009, 03:00:00 PM »
Perhaps I missed a mention of  11-13 at Augusta National Golf club (of 12-14 for that matter).  It absolutely stomps everything else in my book. 

Bogey

Whoa!  How soon we do forget.

That is a VERY worthy submission (those are).

But until I actually play Augusta.. and bearing in mind I am with you about it's greatness, my friend... I still choose 16-18 at Sand Hills.  Or let's just say I don't think it gets absolutely stomped by Augusta.

Note I reserve right to change mind upon playing.

 ;D
TH

ps - note I do have that as the clear #2... that is it beats anything else I have read... I think.

Scott Warren

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #21 on: August 12, 2009, 03:01:42 PM »
14 (3), 15 (4), 16 (5) at Deal is a great stretch of holes. or 3,4,5 at Deal.

14-16 at Deal. Took the words out of my mouth!

NSWGC 5-7 as well is an all-world stretch as well.

14-16 at Royal Zoute as well. Three really killer holes right there.

3-5 at Trevose. Awesome.

David Kelly

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #22 on: August 12, 2009, 03:26:36 PM »
Perhaps I missed a mention of  11-13 at Augusta National Golf club (of 12-14 for that matter).  It absolutely stomps everything else in my book. 

Bogey

When you played it how did it compare to the expectations you had from seeing Amen Corner on TV all those years?
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Tim Bert

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2009, 04:09:32 PM »
On the flip side no coursde anywhere can match Gillette Ridge for putridness of par 3,4,5 combo - holes #2,3, and 4. One of the worst par 5,4,3 combos ever - pre renovation.

Of course the fact the holes had to be renovated 3 years in speaks volumes.

Mike Hendren

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Re: best stretch of par3-4-5..inany order
« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2009, 04:15:26 PM »
Perhaps I missed a mention of  11-13 at Augusta National Golf club (of 12-14 for that matter).  It absolutely stomps everything else in my book. 

Bogey

When you played it how did it compare to the expectations you had from seeing Amen Corner on TV all those years?

David,

I see you are channeling Matt Ward.  If that's your best retort, my proposition remains pretty dad-gummed valid.

Bogey
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....