Andy, It's been many years since I played CP. But as I recall, if #11 is the par 5, it did not fight the land as badly as some of the other holes on the back. If #10 is the par 5, then yes, #11 is likely one of them.
Dick, I never got the feeling Mike was fighting the land at GW. But I suppose I'm unclear on a definition. Perhaps #16 with the cant to the left while the hole goes right? But no other hole has that aspect that I recall.
Anthony, I disagree strongly that the 14th at Bandon Trails fights the land. It's a str8 hole.
Scott, I do know the second at HH. It seems like a mild version of what I hope I'm trying to quantify.

The tenth or eleventh hole there might be a better example. The one that goes around that hillock to the left.
Sean, I think you nail it too. But, I would not limit it to severe sites. Hilly, yes, severe, no.
Charlie, I believe I know what you imply, but, it seems so incongruous.
I doubt we have an adequate definition. It can't be as simple as a hole that turns right or left with the cant in the opposite direction. Or, a hole that turns one way while demanding a shot that goes the other. Why? Because after all, Lefties play the game too!
