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Mike_Cirba

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2002, 07:54:42 AM »
My thought on LACC #11 is that Thomas canted the green somewhat against the orientation of the left-to-right required shot for two major reasons;

1) The length of the shot (235 yards from the tips)
2) The downhill nature of the shot.

I believe he may have assumed that any green orientation running left to right and front to back as in classic NADER mode would have made it impossible to hold a ball on that green, particularly in pre-irrigation days.

Thus, you have some necessary compromise to the true concepts of the redan, although it is a tough, beautiful hole in its own right.
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Rich Goodale (Guest)

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2002, 08:08:05 AM »
Tom P

My memory of NGLA's "redan" is that it played slightly downhill.  I remember being able to see most if not all of the back left pin we played to.  In general, while I found it to be a much better hole than the "original" at North Berwick, I thought any resemblance between the two was very abstract.

Perhaps I didn't really play NGLA?  Maybe my host took me to The Bridge instead and didn't tell me...........
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corey miller

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2002, 09:13:51 AM »
Geoff- If you are going to talk strategy on the reverse redan LACC 11 you need to remind everyone that you and Mike. C play from the wrong side. ;)
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GeoffreyC

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2002, 09:27:42 AM »
Good evaluation/observation Mike.  You are probably correct.

Cory- the world is all mixed up.  Mike and I play from the correct side.  Its the rest of you that are all backwards  ;)

I got the photos of #8 at Sleepy you sent me at home late last night.  I'll try to post shortly.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2002, 09:38:45 AM »
Rich Goodale,

We've never met, but I'm betting you're very, very, very tall.
Anyone who can see the green at the back left pin position has to be very, very, very tall, or standing on a very, very, very tall ladder.

Only the crowned turbo boost or backstop is visible to golfers of average height.

Now I'm curious about the elevation of the tee, front left of the green, mid-point of the green and back right of the green.

Anybody know the topo ?
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THuckaby2

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2002, 09:42:14 AM »
Pat - I'll take that bet!

Mr. Goodale can be called many things, but tall isn't one of them.

Of course, no one's ever called me that either... and again, Rich and I saw THE REDAN only once, 7 months ago now... but I too seem to remember being able to see all the green.  Memory is a strange thing though.

TH
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GeoffreyC

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2002, 09:47:39 AM »
Huck-  being about the same height as you and Rich and having been on the tee with you that most memorable day I can say for sure that the front right shoulder can be seen; the pin can be seen but anything but the very front of the green- NO WAY.
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ChipOat

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Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2002, 09:50:06 AM »
Tom Huckaby and Rich Goodale:

Since neither of you are very, very, very tall, the only way you MIGHT see all the 4th green at National w/o standing pin high is to stand next to the bell tower on the hill behind the 3rd green.  This would be the equivalent of standing on a very, very, very tall ladder - and safer, too.

Whether you can see it or not - what a great hole!

Cheers.
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THuckaby2

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2002, 09:57:48 AM »
AHA!  That explains it.  I DID go up by the bell tower and look from there - that's why I remember seeing the whole green.  Then the tee is much lower, so no can see from there....

Thanks, gentlemen.

And yes, this indeed is a GREAT hole - that's why I always give it all caps ie THE REDAN.

TH
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john stiles

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2002, 10:08:12 AM »

Brian Silva's Black Creek (Raynorish / tribute course) has a reverse redan, hole #7, 215 yards.  Photo is found in GCA review of the course.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2002, 10:25:33 AM »
Brad,

A knowledgeable poster has jogged my lapsing memory and reminded me that the 13th at Morris County is a terrific reverse Redan, perhaps one of the best, with the tee below or close to even with the green.
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texsport

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2002, 10:51:07 AM »
There's an interestingly modified reverse redan at John Bredemus' Memorial Park in Houston, Texas. Instead of requiring a longish drawn approach shot, Bredemus created a short, 140 yard hole that requires precise distance control into the prevailing wind. Bunkers are placed left and front of the green but the key feature is the steep 20 foot+ drop off all the way across the back of the green.

The course was built in 1924 and hosted the Houston Open from 1951-1963. Remodeled in the 1990's by Dave Marr.

Texsport

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Rich Goodale (Guest)

Re: Reverse Redans
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2002, 10:56:55 AM »
I may LOOK short, but I am a master of disguise!
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