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Scott Warren

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North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« on: June 29, 2009, 09:03:44 AM »
I've booked to play NBW on the above date at 3.30pm, and was informed by the bookings clerk that I am playing alone at this stage, but could add more golfers to my group.

If any GCAers are keen, the green fee is £75. Drop me a PM/IM and I will add you to the booking.

If interested, could you possibly let me know by July 10? I head to France the following day and won't be seeing much if any of GCA.com between then and my whistlestop trip to Scotland.

cheers,
Scott
« Last Edit: July 22, 2009, 05:36:49 PM by Scott Warren »

ed_getka

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2009, 10:02:19 AM »
I wish I could join you. North Berwick is one of my favorite courses. I think of it as the soul of golf. It probably has the least number of really good holes of any well-regarded course, but there as enough really interesting holes that are such a delight to play that the whole experience of a round there is invigorating. There are at least 4 holes there where any American making his first trip to the UK is wondering what the heck is going on, because the hole offers something SO different. The first tee shot, the approach into the Pit, the hole where you drive over a wall, the uphill blind approach near the end of the round where you are pretty sure your ball is going to be in the North Sea when you walk up over the rise, and then the green that is essentially bisected and could provide a day of endless entertainment of trying different shots to unlock the key to staying on the green.
   Anyone who hasn't been should make a point of seeing this gem.
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2009, 03:50:37 PM »
Scott, the two starters I met as a singleton both greeted me with “Playing alone, we can't have that Sir, let’s see who I can fix you up with"

This friendly greeting cheered me but as I realised later helped them keep play flowing on a busy course.


Anyway both groups were enjoyable, the first for the Caddies/members the tourists were employing and the second were members of the Tantallon Club who invited me in for a pint of Belhaven’s in their lovely bog oak lined Clubhouse across the street from the Parvenu 'New' North Berwick Clubhouse. ;)
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Mike Hendren

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2009, 04:01:41 PM »
It probably has the least number of really good holes of any well-regarded course, but

Ed, Ed and Eddie,

What about 2 and 3 then 13 through 17?  4 and 9 are sneaky good as well.  You're kililing me, bro.

Bogey
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Bill_McBride

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2009, 04:04:06 PM »
It probably has the least number of really good holes of any well-regarded course, but

Ed, Ed and Eddie,

What about 2 and 3 then 13 through 17?  4 and 9 are sneaky good as well.  You're kililing me, bro.

Bogey

What's so wrong about solid par 3 #4, par 4 #7 burn hole, #10 solid par 3, #12 dogleg left toward Bass Rock?

Man, you guys are picky!

ed_getka

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2009, 08:53:10 PM »
Bill,
   Mike is just giving me a hard time, I know he absolutely loves the course. I love the course too, maybe I was having so much fun visiting with Richard Le Sueur during our round I didn't notice how good the holes were. There certainly weren't any bad holes. As I said NB to me is the soul of golf. If someone asked me why I like golf so much NB would be the course I would send them to to see for themselves.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Bill_McBride

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2009, 08:56:07 PM »
Bill,
   Mike is just giving me a hard time, I know he absolutely loves the course. I love the course too, maybe I was having so much fun visiting with Richard Le Sueur during our round I didn't notice how good the holes were. There certainly weren't any bad holes. As I said NB to me is the soul of golf. If someone asked me why I like golf so much NB would be the course I would send them to to see for themselves.

I played my first round ever in Scotland with Richard - the Craighead at Crail in 2003 - and had a great time playing with him.  Hopefully we'll get some news of his latest design project if you can tell us about it!

ed_getka

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2009, 09:01:45 PM »
It probably has the least number of really good holes of any well-regarded course, but

Ed, Ed and Eddie,

What about 2 and 3 then 13 through 17?  4 and 9 are sneaky good as well.  You're kililing me, bro.

Bogey

Mike,
    When I say really good holes I'm thinking Royal Dornoch. How many holes at NB can match up? Yes there are some great quirky and testing holes at NB, but there are some that are solid holes that you don't particularly sit up and take notice of. Given the holes you point out that still leaves quite a few holes that don't stand out and that is the point I'm making. NB is a course that most golfers will make a point of seeing on a trip over to Scotland and yet I can't think of another course that is thought of so highly with so few holes that one would consider great.
    
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

ed_getka

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2009, 09:03:48 PM »
Bill,
   Mike is just giving me a hard time, I know he absolutely loves the course. I love the course too, maybe I was having so much fun visiting with Richard Le Sueur during our round I didn't notice how good the holes were. There certainly weren't any bad holes. As I said NB to me is the soul of golf. If someone asked me why I like golf so much NB would be the course I would send them to to see for themselves.

I played my first round ever in Scotland with Richard - the Craighead at Crail in 2003 - and had a great time playing with him.  Hopefully we'll get some news of his latest design project if you can tell us about it!

Sorry Bill no news from Richard. The last time we messaged was a couple of years ago. I think he had some involvement at the time in the potential Trump project, but I haven't heard anything since.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Tim_Weiman

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2009, 12:14:25 AM »
Scott,

I'll be attending the Renaissance Cup which finishes up the afternoon of the 22nd. A late afternoon round at NB might work, but I'm guessing 3:30 PM might be a bit early for me to make it.
Tim Weiman

Scott Warren

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2009, 07:39:04 PM »
Hi Tim,

3.30 is probably close to as late as I could go - perhaps 4pm - because my missus and her folks will be in Edinburgh waiting for me, and I daren't piss them all off on the first day of our holiday (and they have very kindly allowed me to tailor the first part of the trip around playing Nth Berwick and TOC)!!

Would 4pm work for you?

cheers,
Scott

Mark_F

Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2009, 09:54:56 PM »
3.30 is probably close to as late as I could go - perhaps 4pm - because my missus and her folks will be in Edinburgh waiting for me, and I daren't piss them all off on the first day of our holiday (and they have very kindly allowed me to tailor the first part of the trip around playing Nth Berwick and TOC)!!

Would 4pm work for you?

Scott,

Don't worry about upsetting the missus and the in-laws - Tim is an excellent bloke, and a round with him is well worth any marital discord.

Scott Warren

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2009, 05:36:02 PM »
Sitting in my hotel after an afternoon at North Berwick (West).

I'm speechless. It was the most amazing course I have ever seen, and the beauty of the setting was the equal of the holes.

The par 3s, 4s and 5s were all scintilating. I may now be ruined for all lesser golf courses! :lol:

The Redan was a f**king massive trip. I was playing with an American pro who had missed out on qualifying for the senior British Open (Ralph Landrum) and his son/caddie, a college golfer, and had just stood there telling them to try to hit a draw that landed at the front right of the green so it would feed to the hole at the back of the green, and then walked up and hit a draw with my 5i that landed where I'd indicated and ran to 12 feet below the hole. They laughed and started calling me Redan Man ;D but I told them that name was taken!

Teed off in rain, had rain gear on for the first three holes, then played the rest in brilliant late afternoon sunshine, and putted out on 18 in the lightest of sunshowers.

The Biarritz green at 16, the wall on the 13th and the 14th hole were all highlights too. I'm sitting on cloud nine, wondering how a day on the golf course could get any better...

Some pics below. The panoramas might not work well on the site, but you can view fully if you download.



Tony_Muldoon

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2009, 05:56:41 PM »
Sheer Magic Scott.   How do I download for a better look and what camera did you use?

Next time we meet I'll let you  in on a little secret.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2009, 06:11:27 PM by Tony_Muldoon »
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Bill_McBride

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Wednesday, July 22
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2009, 06:07:56 PM »
Sitting in my hotel after an afternoon at North Berwick (West).

I'm speechless. It was the most amazing course I have ever seen, and the beauty of the setting was the equal of the holes.

The par 3s, 4s and 5s were all scintilating. I may now be ruined for all lesser golf courses! :lol:

The Redan was a f**king massive trip. I was playing with an American pro who had missed out on qualifying for the senior British Open (Ralph Landrum) and his son/caddie, a college golfer, and had just stood there telling them to try to hit a draw that landed at the front right of the green so it would feed to the hole at the back of the green, and then walked up and hit a draw with my 5i that landed where I'd indicated and ran to 12 feet below the hole. They laughed and started calling me Redan Man ;D but I told them that name was taken!

Teed off in rain, had rain gear on for the first three holes, then played the rest in brilliant late afternoon sunshine, and putted out on 18 in the lightest of sunshowers.

The Biarritz green at 16, the wall on the 13th and the 14th hole were all highlights too. I'm sitting on cloud nine, wondering how a day on the golf course could get any better...


Scott, there are so many other great aspects and elements of the course that it's easy to overlook -- the tee shot across the corner of the beach on #2, the wall to carry on the second shot on #3, the burn in front of #7, the excellent par 5s at #9 and 11, the Bass Rock behind the 12th hole -- THEN the fun begins on #13 with the Pit!   ;D 

And you're right, no matter what other courses you've played, once you play North Berwick, you can't wait to get back.

Chris DeNigris

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2009, 10:16:12 PM »
Scott,

Your experience and comments are validating my decision to schedule NB as our last round on our upcoming trip (thanks to many like opinions here). I just wish September was here already! Thanks for sharing.

Scott Warren

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2009, 05:50:51 PM »
Tony - Adobe Photoshop CS3 has an auto-panorama feature that links any overlapping images in one click.

Others - there was too much cool stuff to list in a quick post, but the course keeps making me like it more the more I think of it. I played TOC today, and it was an amazing day in every way, but I get the feeling when I think about it with time to soak it all in in a few days' time, I will like the golf course at NBW more than TOC. I may be wrong, but gut feel...

TOC was nuts though. Loved it. My 100th course in my life and can't think of a better one to bring up the ton.

Andrew Mitchell

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2009, 02:33:49 AM »
Glad you enjoyed your trip Scott.  North Berwick is magical.  I've been going there on and off over the last twenty years and never tire of visiting.  There are just so many good holes and fun/challenging shots.

As you say the panorama doesn't really suit the thread layout.  How do I download it?
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Scott Warren

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2009, 12:39:42 PM »
Just right click on the image and choose SAVE AS to save to your computer. I have a few others to play with that I might add in the next few days once I am home.

Ross Tuddenham

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2009, 03:19:25 PM »
I played it recently in the open and thourghly enjoyed my round.  I think the holes that stood out for me were; 2,3, 7(will not forget that hole), 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 ,17.

I will start with seven, this was not a positive reason to remember a hole and no doubt on a second play my problem could not happen.  But in a medal round it is harsh for your round to be over after finding yourself in a burn you did not know existed. Ok not so bad but it's not very linksy to have a water hazard in front of the green.  It adds veriety I suppose but NB is not really lacking that.

I layed up well short of the right hand side bunker and then tried to run up an iron onto the green, I was puzzled when I did not see it roll onto the green.  I walked about 15 yards forward and all was clear.

9 - I liked nine because it was good to have the option up the left of the bunkers to shorten your approach to the green.  No sure the angle was any better but you could get about a 15 yard advantage if you really hugged the left.

11 – What a brute into the wind from the back tee.  Just great fun to be really challenged on all three shots of a par 5.  From the tee you have to keep as far left as possible and stay away from the bunkers on the right,  not to mention a solid strike into a tough wind.

Then a lay up that had to avoid falling in the dip to the font left of the green or if going shorter having to miss the bunkers.  Depending on where your second finishes you have either got a semi blind/blind shot to the green.  Try not to leave a 30 yard putt or miss left. 

12 –  What a green you have to try and pick a really good spot to land the ball and avoid some of the more extreme slopes.  Not to mention the narrow gap between the bunkers.  Off the tee the day I played it the bunkers on the inside were almost unreachable in the wind.  But still you need to toss up going right for a shot at the gap or go close to the bunkers for a shorter approach.

13 – Was I just happy to play the hole I had seen on so many pictures? 

14 – Not sure you want it on every tee shot but hitting to an area that does not look like it could even have a fairway is a nerve racking experience I liked.  In reality it is quite safe up their but I liked the feeling of hitting into the unknown.

15 – It's 'the' redan come on you gotta love it.

16 – In the wind I played it the burn was well in range for a poorly struck shot.  Is the green fair, well yes play it how you want to.  Golf is all about unique challenges brought about by different characteristics.  Maybe it's just me but I love overcoming something totally different.

17 – I hear people rave about option from the tee, well this hole has about a million.  Oh and also I got a birdie after holing a bunker shot form the left of the green.

I don't think I played the same shot twice form the 9th through to the 17th, how many times can you say that about a stretch of holes that long?

Ross Tuddenham

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2009, 03:32:55 PM »
By the way no new bunkers to the left of 17th green, just my inability to distinguish left from right.

Anyone else holed out from the bunker to the right of 17th green?

Scott Warren

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2009, 05:40:59 PM »
Did you have the yardage guide, Ross? The burn on #7 is marked on it. Did you drive into it, or hit your second in?

As far as such a hole being un-linksy, TOC 1, Deal 1, Trevose 17 come to mind. Personally, I liked the hole (see below), with a front-left pin such as we had, you had the slope on the left middle to run the ball back off or try to land as close to the front as you could and allow some run out. But I know it's one that will divide opinion.




Two more suckers who found it...



James Boon

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2009, 07:16:22 AM »
Scott,

North Berwick is just awesome! So much fun and variety! Glad to see you enjoyed it and like me, you can't wait to play it again.

If you have any other panoramas, if you post them one post at a time, you will then be able to easily pan from left to right.

Cheers,

James

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Ross Tuddenham

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Re: North Berwick (West) - Panoramas added
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2009, 08:00:07 AM »
Hi Scott

No sadly I arrived on the tee a touch late and did not have time to get a course guide.  I made an error of judgement from the tee and layed up so far back I could not see the burn.  Although I feel my playing partner with the guide could have pointed it out.

Also I just meant it would not be the most likely feature you would expect in front of  a links green, I certainly didn't expect it to be there.  If I played it again it would just add to the verity of the course and actually be another interesting challenge on the course.  So I don't really dislike the hole as a concept just as a card wrecker on the day.