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Scott Warren

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The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« on: June 09, 2009, 11:06:21 AM »
I will be in Scotland late next month for a short four-day visit with my partner and her parents. There is the opportunity to include St Andrews in the itinerary, but I won't be able to get there to stay the night and line up at 5am. I would be hitting town at about 11am on a Thursday.

Is Kyle Henderson's experience last week (see SCOTLAND!!! thread) of rocking up at 3.20pm and being off by 3.40pm out of the ordinary? Am I better to play elsewhere where I can book a tee time and leave St Andrews for a more organised assault? Or go for it?

Thanks in advance to anyone who has somewisdom/experience to share.

Tom Huckaby

Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2009, 11:11:19 AM »
Scott - Kyle's experience is not completely atypical, but it is pretty fantastic luck to get out within 20 minutes... especially in the prime summer months.  However I base this on how things tended to go in GOOD economic times... maybe in this recession fewer folks are getting over there and/or are willing to part with the big bucks to play the course?  As you know it ain't cheap....

In any case, pretty much always, a single can get out eventually.  If you are indeed a single, heck put your name on the list and see what happens.  You'll eventually play... if you don't get out right away like Kyle.

BTW late afternoon helps, as he did... remembering it stays light VERY late there in summer....

TH

Ron Csigo

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2009, 11:23:12 AM »
Scott, 

You definitely have a good chance of getting out as a single on a weekday afternoon.  I was also a walk-on at St. Andrews and did not have to wait too long to get out.  Just get your name on the list and ask how many people are ahead of you.  Worst case, you have plenty of very good alterantives in close proximity - New, Jubilee, Castle, Kingsbarns, Crail (Balcomie).
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RSLivingston_III

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2009, 11:38:34 AM »
Isn't there a block of times set aside for the locals? That probably needs to be avoided.
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Phil McDade

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2009, 12:02:48 PM »
Scott:

My experience is from 10 years ago, so it comes with a mild caveat that things may have changed since then. But, I was there during the week right before the Open in July, held at Carnoustie, when many players stayed in St. Andrews and took the hovercraft across the bay to Carnoustie. In other words, the place was crawling with golfers and golf fans.

There is usually a long line of singles who get up quite early and wait to give their name to the starter at TOC. I waited this out, had breakfast, and instead wandered down to the starter at @ 9:30 am -- on a perfectly sunny day, 70 degree temps, no sign of rain, perfect golfing weather. He asked me to come back at @ 1pm, and he would get me on within 20 minutes or so.

I think it's very likely you could get on as a single. Another tact might be to hang out the night before at one of the nearby watering holes -- the Dunvegan is notable for the golf crowd it attracts -- and talk up anyone there (maybe even a caddie) to see if they have an opening, or what may be available.


Anthony Gray

Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2009, 12:29:53 PM »

  The earliest tee times I believe are for R&A members I believe and often times are not taken. So being early helps.

  Anthony


Scott Warren

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2009, 01:26:32 PM »
Thanks all for the info, and Anthony for the contact. Spoke to him and he reports that St Andrews is very quiet at the moment and a mid-morning walk-up is almost a certainty of playing.

Now I am officially excited!

David_Tepper

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2009, 01:36:13 PM »
Scott -

As I have just posted on another thread, I am just back from 4 weeks in Dornoch. Based on what I saw there, my guess is golf tourism in Scotland and elsewhere in GB&I will take a big hit this summer. Green fee revenues at the well-known courses could be off as much as 20%-40%. Tee times should be readily available just about everywhere. Just check to make sure there are no events scheduled for the day you are planning to go. As noted above, the New Course and several other courses in and around St. Andrews provide plenty of worthwhile alternatives.

DT   

Scott Warren

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2009, 03:54:22 PM »
Thanks David. The only event at TOC that day is on from 2pm-2.50pm. I don't imagine that will be a dealbreaker?

Other than TOC, I'm hoping to play North Berwick West and Fortrose & Rosemarkie.

David_Tepper

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2009, 04:30:01 PM »
Scott -

fI you are getting to TOC at 11:00am and have to get out before the event starts at 2:00pm, I am certainly not promising you will get out in that 3-hour window. You may have to play one of the other courses in St. Andrews.

What is bringing you north of Inverness to play Fortrose & Rosemarkie? That is one of the most unique sites for a golf course I have ever seen or played.

If you get up that way, I would highly encourage you to swing by the new Castle Stuart course, which is just west of Inverness Airport. It is a VERY impressive place.

DT
 
 

Scott Warren

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2009, 04:57:48 PM »
David, the reason for Fortrose is that my partner's dad likes a game of golf, but wouldn't spend the money for a top-level course, so F&R is a good compromise of a price he would pay and a course I would like to play. We will be in that neck of the woods to see Loch Ness and the surrounding area.


Chris DeNigris

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2009, 05:29:01 PM »
Scott,

Just saw the following on the Links Trust website in the Old Course booking tab:


THE OLD COURSE

Booking Information
 
 
  A small number of late availability Old Course tee times in July can be booked now. Telephone the reservations office for details: +44 1334 466666

A two course policy exists for these bookings, meaning that golfers should choose to play one other of our 18 hole courses in additon to the Old Course.
 


Not sure how often that happens (July visitor times available the month prior) but maybe you could find a buddy and combo a New/Old or Kingsbarns/Old 2fer. Might be worth a toll call..

As David T mentioned- Castle Stuart opens 13 July- Now that would make your trip to the Highlands worthwhile!!

Good Luck however it turns out..

Chris

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2009, 05:35:53 PM »
Scott I'll be interested in how it works out as I'll be there in August.

I believe the trust will only accept bookings and ballot applications for a minimum of a pair? 

So if you're on your own in rented accomodation what's the best way of finding someone to apply for the ballot with?
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Bill_McBride

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2009, 10:21:56 PM »
Scott I'll be interested in how it works out as I'll be there in August.

I believe the trust will only accept bookings and ballot applications for a minimum of a pair? 

So if you're on your own in rented accomodation what's the best way of finding someone to apply for the ballot with?

Join the New Club for 25 quid for a week and hang out in the bar.  Maybe a member will invite you along!

Bill_McBride

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2009, 10:26:17 PM »
Scott -

fI you are getting to TOC at 11:00am and have to get out before the event starts at 2:00pm, I am certainly not promising you will get out in that 3-hour window. You may have to play one of the other courses in St. Andrews.

What is bringing you north of Inverness to play Fortrose & Rosemarkie? That is one of the most unique sites for a golf course I have ever seen or played.

If you get up that way, I would highly encourage you to swing by the new Castle Stuart course, which is just west of Inverness Airport. It is a VERY impressive place.


Nairn is also just down the road and is a wonderful course with what some say are the best greens in Scotland.

www.nairngolfclub.co.uk


Pete_Pittock

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2009, 11:18:37 PM »
Go for it.
I have been able to walk on as a single twice. First time was in early May '75, drove in mid afternoon, checked into Rusack's and wandered over to the starter shack without my clubs.  Twenty scrambling minutes later I was on the course. The other time was on a very rainy Friday in June 2000, when I aborted a start in NW England (the course with a nuke plant), checked the radar and headed north. Again on the course in less than an hour and the weather broke on #7. 

Kirk Gill

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2009, 12:08:11 AM »
When I walked on, the starter took my name, but he told me that if a group of three did appear I had to ask their permission to join them. The gentlemen in the group I joined were most gracious in allowing me to play, but I remember really fearing that they wouldn't.

Is that still done?

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Brian_Ewen

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2009, 02:48:43 AM »
When I walked on, the starter took my name, but he told me that if a group of three did appear I had to ask their permission to join them. The gentlemen in the group I joined were most gracious in allowing me play, but I remember really fearing that they wouldn't.

Is that still done?


Yes , and you can view the ballot (and groups of 3) here : http://www.linksnet.co.uk/barononline/ballot.aspx

Josh Stevens

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2009, 09:00:01 AM »
I seem to recall that Thursdays were easier as they reserved times for the local clubs that were not always taken up - but that was a while back

Scott Warren

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Re: The Old Course - likelihood of walk-up start? New
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2009, 04:21:08 PM »
Is it just me, or have all the posts made in this thread today disappeared?

EDIT - I just saw Ben's thread. Cool.
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