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Mike_Cirba

Left-handers and architecture
« on: May 18, 2002, 08:43:48 PM »
From a few GCA get-togethers, I'm beginning to perceive that there are a disproportionate number of lefties like myself who are into architecture.

Could it be our heightened sense of aesthetics?  Our frustrated creative impules?  ;)

So, just for fun, I'd like to take a roll call of lefties out there to see if we're really as ubiquitous as I sense.  

Lefties who play golf right handed, or visa versa, should indicate as such.  

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ian

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2002, 09:03:07 PM »
I'm golfapolozza's token left handed golf architect. Brad Klien suggested that as a Canadian it makes perfect sence.
As a member from Gander GC in Newfoundland once told his buddy "I shoots the puck that way, why woulds I shoot the ball the tuther way bye"
Although, since I was born in England I think it actually ruins Brad's theory.


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Bruceski

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2002, 09:42:29 PM »
Lefty here. Play right-handed.
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David Kelly

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Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2002, 09:43:11 PM »
Mike,
As you saw I golf left-handed but I am all screwed up - I golf, bat and throw left handed but I write, play tennis and bowl right-handed and when I played roller hockey I played right handed.  In basketball I dribble right-handed and shoot left-handed.

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"Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent." - Judge Holden, Blood Meridian.

Evan Fleisher

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Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2002, 10:28:00 PM »
Pure lefty here...
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Born Rochester, MN. Grew up Miami, FL. Live Cleveland, OH. Handicap 13.2. Have 26 & 23 year old girls and wife of 29 years. I'm a Senior Supply Chain Business Analyst for Vitamix. Diehard walker, but tolerate cart riders! Love to travel, always have my sticks with me. Mollydooker for life!

Brian Walshe

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Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2002, 05:12:11 AM »
Golf and bat left handed, throw, write etc right handed.  
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TEPaul

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2002, 05:38:49 AM »
I'm no lefty and for a hole or two watching a lefty makes me sort of crazy and then I get used to it! It even takes me a few minutes to get used to Mickelson everytime I see him on TV.

I'm just wondering if the lefties feel that there is or can be anything at all about golf architecture that they know of that sort of discriminates against them or maybe even puts them behind the 8 ball somehow?

Relief situations/difficult to play shots and lefties always makes me sort of scratch my head in bemusment! I've yet to see one try to play righty to get out of a problem though. I've sure seen plenty of righties try to get out of things by being a lefty for a shot.
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TEPaul

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2002, 05:42:54 AM »
Also if there is a disproportionate number of lefties who like golf architecture there really must be something "sinistra" about the art. GeoffreyC!---and it took me by surprise when I saw Lynn Shackelford step to the tee lefty--I just wasn't expecting it cuz I guess I didn't even realize all his clubs were backwards when I put them in and took them out of the car.
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JBergan

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2002, 07:10:37 AM »
I golf left handed, and play all other sports left handed.  Just about everything else I do is right handed (write, eat, comb hair, etc.).

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wsmorrison

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2002, 07:29:04 AM »
In my days as a PhD candidate in clinical psychology, a pursuit I long since left, I used to do research on the structure of the brain, mostly in schizophrenics and manic-depressives, but also differences in righties and lefties and men and women.  Left-handers who are right brain dominant tend to be about 10% of the population.  There are more than twice (maybe three times) as many lefties in architecture as the general population, no doubt in golf architecture as well.  Their brains use different processing techniques.  The right brain is typically more creative, artistic, better with spacial orientations, and holistic processing.  Left brain dominants (typically right handers) process analytically and are generally higher functioning in logic and mathmatical skills.  It makes a great deal of sense that those that process and think in ways that are beneficial to endeavors requiring these skills will be drawn to such careers.  

It also helps in baseball as you are closer to first and face more right handed pitchers.
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GeoffreyC

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2002, 07:44:38 AM »
I'm happy to join the group of mollydookers who recognize the  "sinistra" art of golf course architecture.  

Tom Paul-  playing with other lefties used to mess me up visually as well but I've played with so many in the last few years it no longer seems odd. You'll have to get out and play with "us" more frequently- (ie get your butt up to Yale!)
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Mike_Young

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Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2002, 08:20:34 AM »
Iam lefthanded and play golf lefthanded.
Interesting golf fact....I have a friend that has been with Mizuno for since they set up in the US and he is always being bugged by me for lefthanded clubs.  Tells me that in the US less than 5%of market is lefthanded and it would take several years just to make back money on one style of forged blade...yet in Canada almost 20% of golfers play lefthanded...not that they ate lefthanded but it seems many right handers that play hockey have a lefthanded swing.
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"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

GeoffreyC

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2002, 09:43:06 AM »
Mike Young-  Mizuno has discontinued their excellent MP19 forged cavity back line as well as the beautiful TP9 blades.  I had a hell of a time finding sets.

Currently I think the new Titleist set made for Phil Mickelson 731PM (?) with cavity back long irons and blade short irons are the state of the art lefty set.  Now that Mike Weir is at Taylor made and playing a version of their 300 forged irons maybe those will become available to the public too.
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Mike_Young

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Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2002, 09:55:35 AM »
Geoffrey,
Mizuno has a muscleback called MP4 that you can find that is a pure blade.  Also, TM does have some sets of the 300 out now.
Mike
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"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Lynn_Shackelford

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Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2002, 10:57:59 AM »
wsmorrison, I am lefty all the way.  Sports Illustrated did a lengthy article some years back and mentioned the same things you posted.  We may have trouble opening doors, but we do like our golf architecture.
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It must be kept in mind that the elusive charm of the game suffers as soon as any successful method of standardization is allowed to creep in.  A golf course should never pretend to be, nor is intended to be, an infallible tribunal.
               Tom Simpson

jim kennedy

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2002, 12:07:47 PM »
Mike,
We are standing on the right side of the ball. ;D
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redanman

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2002, 05:29:58 PM »
can shoot 76 righty, only 96 lefty.

do I qualify?
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John_D._Bernhardt

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2002, 07:20:49 PM »
We are the greatest, lefty here play right.
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ian

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2002, 10:12:52 PM »
Mike Young, I would like to know where you pulled that stat from since that would be new news to this Canadian. The only place I know to be unsual is Newfoundland, where statisticly lefties are closing in on righties (the only place where I have played in an all left-handed foresome).

Tom, the only "discrimination" to lefties is in equipment. There is more than one reason I have the same 1978 Titliest forged blades and a really old Clevelend Classic blade putter. For the longest time, you had to hunt for quality equipment.

Redanman, I can shoot 96 too, I think your in.
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Lynn Shackelford

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2002, 11:18:06 PM »
Isn't there some little town in Scotland where there is a disproportionate amount of southpaws swinging the golf club?
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Mike_Young

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Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2002, 06:24:42 AM »
Ian,
The marketing department at Mizuno is where I was told that information.  I do not know how or where they got it.
Mike
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"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Jim Nagle

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2002, 06:35:25 AM »
:D

Southpaw here, play righty.  Picked up dad's clubs (a righty) and swung away.  Funny thing is
while in school studying Landscape Architecture saw a greater number of lefties than you
would think.
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TEPaul

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2002, 07:08:54 AM »
This thread is getting very scary! Do you realize that there's an alarmingly disportionate number of lefties addicted to golf architecture and even practicing architecture than the  population of lefties generally?

We're in an age of rampant political correctness and overriding litigousness! Do you realize that it will not be long now before NGLA's #4 and North Berwick's #15 can no longer be referred to as a "Redan" without getting sued for that truncated, incomplete reference?

Do you realize that soon it will have to be referred to as a "Righty Redan/Reverse Lefty Redan"?

Righty golfers of the world take care about what you say or get yourself a very good lawyer!
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redanman

Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2002, 07:16:40 AM »

Quote

Do you realize that soon it will have to be referred to as a "Righty Redan/Reverse Lefty Redan"?



Tom, Relax.  You're covered........That's:

Redan/Nader or LRedan/RNader vs.  RRedan/LNader

Cheers,

namnader96/redanman69  (Best scores each way)
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: Left-handers and architecture
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2002, 07:46:14 AM »
Does anyone know if Mackenzie, Ross or any other classic architects where lefty?
I recently played Whisper Rock in Arizona which is Phil Mickelsons first attempt at architecture and its a very strong course, one of the best in Arizona (IMHO).
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